Texas winning the war on ignorance

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    Mar 14, 2010 4:05 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/13/texas-textbook-massacre-u_n_498003.html



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  • Webster666

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    Mar 14, 2010 4:14 AM GMT
    In my law classes, the professors ALWAYS used Texas as the example of stupidity.
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    Mar 14, 2010 5:30 AM GMT
    "The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum's world history standards..."

    Actually about what you might expect when Republicans manage to get their way without any opposition.
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    Mar 14, 2010 6:16 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said"The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum's world history standards..."

    Actually about what you might expect when Republicans manage to get their way without any opposition.


    Kind of hard to have opposition in a burgundy state.
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    Mar 14, 2010 8:04 AM GMT
    Read about this today in the paper. Also went so far to as to do the following:

    1. Reject an attempt to ensure that children learn why the US was founded on the principle of religious freedom.

    2. Agreed to strengthen nod to Chrisianity by adding references to "laws of nature and nature's God" to a section in US history that requires students to explain major political ideas

    3. Agreed to strike the word democratic in refernces to the form of US government and instead to call it a constitutional republic.

    4. Rejected multiple attempts to include Hip-Hop as a significant cultural movement that already includes country music..

    Just a few of the nuggets that this board passed. Interestingly, 4 self described social conservatives will no longer be part of the board. 2 were defeated in a repubilcan primary by moderate republicans and two decided not to seek re-election.
  • GQjock

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    Mar 14, 2010 11:44 AM GMT
    You wanna know why our children don't learn?
    Because their fed with THIS crap
    Questioning that we were founded on secular governmental principles?
    Evolution?
    Telling children that Italians and Germans were also interred by America in the Second World War to counter racist claims by the Japanese?

    This is Josef Goebells stuff

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
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    Mar 14, 2010 12:50 PM GMT
    Now, now. Everyone is entitled to their views and we must be tolerant of everyone's views. How can we, as people demanding tolerance, draw any lines in the sand delineating what is acceptable and what is not? That's just intolerance rearing it's ugly head. That children might learn incorrect information is irrelevant as long as they are taught tolerance. I hope tolerance is part of the curriculum. Do you think tolerance is part of Texas' curriculum? Gosh, I hope so.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:16 PM GMT
    McGay saidNow, now. Everyone is entitled to their views and we must be tolerant of everyone's views. How can we, as people demanding tolerance, draw any lines in the sand delineating what is acceptable and what is not? That's just intolerance rearing it's ugly head. That children might learn incorrect information is irrelevant as long as they are taught tolerance. I hope tolerance is part of the curriculum. Do you think tolerance is part of Texas' curriculum? Gosh, I hope so.


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    Mar 14, 2010 2:21 PM GMT
    Crack? Pshaw. It's a simple glass of Kool-Aid.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:22 PM GMT
    No doubt! I lived in Dallas for 7 years. Dallas was pretty good, but the rest of the state? I dont think this war will be won any time soon.


    Webster666 saidIn my law classes, the professors ALWAYS used Texas as the example of stupidity.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
    Judging by the number of Palin bumper stickers: “how you like your hopey changey?”

    I would say the war is lost.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:35 PM GMT
    Let the love in, boys. Follow the tenets of this anthem of inclusion.

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    Mar 14, 2010 2:39 PM GMT
    makavelli said
    Red_Vespa said"The Board removed Thomas Jefferson from the Texas curriculum's world history standards..."

    Actually about what you might expect when Republicans manage to get their way without any opposition.

    Kind of hard to have opposition in a burgundy state.

    What's a burgundy state? I thought Texas was red, as opposed to blue, the only 2 colors of which I'm aware are used to describe political affiliation. Is there now a hanky code for politics?
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    McGay saidCrack? Pshaw. It's a simple glass of Kool-Aid.


    Yeah ... First it Kool-aid then it's right to Crystal-Lite
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:42 PM GMT
    All you guys who feel such chills of ecstasy when Texas-bashing should consider the following:

    - unlike the rest of the US, our economy is in relatively good shape, meaning you can actually get a job here
    - unlike CA and NY, our state budget is in surplus despite our freedom from a state income tax
    - unlike NY, SF and LA, Houston has an openly-gay mayor.

    I could go on, but it would be drowned out by the waves of condescension emanating from the right and left coasts.

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    Mar 14, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    TexDef07 saidAll you guys who feel such chills of ecstasy when Texas-bashing should consider the following:

    - unlike the rest of the US, our economy is in relatively good shape, meaning you can actually get a job here
    - unlike CA and NY, our state budget is in surplus despite our freedom from a state income tax
    - unlike NY, SF and LA, Houston has an openly-gay mayor.

    I could go on, but it would be drowned out by the waves of condescension emanating from the right and left coasts.



    Thanks for highlighting Texas's finer points, TexDef07. As soon as I graduate, I'm moving to Houston. As strange as this might sound to some people here, Austin is NOT my scene.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    McGay saidDo you think tolerance is part of Texas' curriculum? Gosh, I hope so.

    You do sarcasm fairly well. Texas Republicans are tolerant so long as you agree with them, and believe that Jesus should direct their education system.

    One thing that does surprise me is the silence of the Jewish community there. As much as gays & other minorities, it seems they're being written out of social studies, too, which have become more like Christian Sunday School. Perhaps Jewish recognition is supposed to be granted indirectly, from Christian acknowledgment of the Old Testament.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:56 PM GMT
    Looks like the new war plan for ultra conservatives.

    They've lost the current battles in politics. Now its looking ahead to the next generation of voters. Texas books will be used by many states. Now we'll have a new generation of kids raised under a revised conservative historical perspective.

    Republicans will rise again by 2020 or so.
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
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    Mar 14, 2010 3:01 PM GMT
    I'm practicing the politics of inclusion from now on. It's ok for the hard core religious folks to do all they can to ensure that their respective religions thrive, even if it means re-interpreting history. It doesn't matter that all religious folks are not like this because even if it's only a handful, we should include and respect their perspectives, even when it clashes with current interpretations of history. It's ok to give a man 1000 lashes for being a homosexual, even if only millions of the billions might be in agreement with such treatment. Not tolerating these behaviors and activities would be, well, intolerant, ignorant, uninformed and a whole host of other undesirable characteristics.
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    Mar 14, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
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    McGay saidDo you think tolerance is part of Texas' curriculum? Gosh, I hope so.

    You do sarcasm fairly well. Texas Republicans are tolerant so long as you agree with them, and believe that Jesus should direct their education system.

    One thing that does surprise me is the silence of the Jewish community there. As much as gays & other minorities, it seems they're being written out of social studies, too, which have become more like Christian Sunday School. Perhaps Jewish recognition is supposed to be granted indirectly, from Christian acknowledgment of the Old Testament.


    They're simply being tolerant, as are the muslims and hindus, and why shouldn't they be?
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    ATC84 saidLooks like the new war plan for ultra conservatives.

    They've lost the current battles in politics. Now its looking ahead to the next generation of voters. Texas books will be used by many states. Now we'll have a new generation of kids raised under a revised conservative historical perspective.

    Republicans will rise again by 2020 or so.

    That's exactly what this is. And Texas is the soft underbelly of the US school system. It and California buy the most books, so publishers tailor their text books to meet the standards of their biggest markets, assuming smaller school systems will accept them, as well. It's more expensive to have multiple versions of each book, which publishers mostly refuse to do.

    Conservatives realized California school boards would be less likely to approve a radical right-wing curriculum, so they turned their attention to Texas, and thus far it's worked. What's frightening is that this curriculum will be taught throughout the United States, so in one fell swoop Conservatives have hijacked the entire US school system.

    We're just not talking Texas here, but potentially every school district in the US. Unless enough states refuse to go along with this, and force the publishers to produce alternative texts, this is how science and social studies will be taught everywhere.
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    Mar 14, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    McGay said
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    McGay saidDo you think tolerance is part of Texas' curriculum? Gosh, I hope so.

    You do sarcasm fairly well. Texas Republicans are tolerant so long as you agree with them, and believe that Jesus should direct their education system.

    One thing that does surprise me is the silence of the Jewish community there. As much as gays & other minorities, it seems they're being written out of social studies, too, which have become more like Christian Sunday School. Perhaps Jewish recognition is supposed to be granted indirectly, from Christian acknowledgment of the Old Testament.

    They're simply being tolerant, as are the muslims and hindus, and why shouldn't they be?

    Be careful that your parody doesn't backfire on you. There are some here who would actually agree with you, and not even recognize your sarcasm. It's bad enough their bigoted voices sing the praises of this right-wing poison here, but must you chime in, too?

    And those that are naive & foolish enough to preach feel-good philosophy versus hard-core political reality, are certainly not going to realize that you're mocking them. When one is tolerant of the intolerant, you have already handed over your freedoms, and they've won without a fight, as I thought you previously believed.

    This present tactic will not only not enlighten them, but rather embolden them that they are correct. And especially among those who read these threads only sporadically, and don't know the full topic history. I always assume everything I read will be "taken out of context" as they say, because it will likely be read out of context, of what has gone before, even over many months.
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    Mar 14, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    But it's wrong to rest this situation on the shoulders of Texas. The Texas Board of Education doesn't speak for ALL Texans or ALL Americans. Not that there's really a situation here, Red. If we cannot open our hearts and minds to the hearts and minds of Texas Conservatives, doesn't that mean that we are arrogant in our own opinions, that we think our interpretation of things is somehow superior? Sometimes, it's just too much for my underdeveloped thinking to get around.
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    Mar 14, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    McGay saidI'm practicing the politics of inclusion from now on. It's ok for the hard core religious folks to do all they can to ensure that their respective religions thrive, even if it means re-interpreting history. It doesn't matter that all religious folks are not like this because even if it's only a handful, we should include and respect their perspectives, even when it clashes with current interpretations of history. It's ok to give a man 1000 lashes for being a homosexual, even if only millions of the billions might be in agreement with such treatment. Not tolerating these behaviors and activities would be, well, intolerant, ignorant, uninformed and a whole host of other undesirable characteristics.



    Yeah right. From one extreme to the other you go. icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif