How can I keep my face youthful and still be fit?

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    Mar 14, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    I'm a hard gainer and mass is not my focus. When I go to the gym, I do a full body workout of large muscle groups with heavy weights, but it's mostly for the hormones and to tire myself out. Otherwise, I swim for enjoyment every other day and spend a lot of time in the sauna to de-stress.

    The problem is, my face looks ravaged, gaunt. My skin is thin and at 26, I have permanent expression lines. The crows feet I have inherited from my dad, so besides avoiding sun damage, I don't think there's anything else I can do there. I want to plump up or thicken my skin, but I don't want to lose body definition because I'm such an ectomorph. Is it even possible to make skin thicker? Maybe by promoting more testosterone?

    Maybe I should change my focus and just try to bulk up as much as possible... to gain fat for my face but also muscle so that the extra fat on my body doesn't look terrible?
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    Mar 15, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
    . . try the steam room instead of the sauna . . .

    . . . how much sleep do you get? . . . a sufficent amount of sleep should help your face's tone and color . . .

    . . . are you talking about everyday stress, or world-historic insomnia-inducing stress? . . .

    . . .also, Lauren Bacall advises us to "moisturize, moisturize, moisturize."
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    Mar 15, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    Its true.

    Make sure to use an SPF15 (or higher) face lotion every single day. Even when its rainy, wet, or when its wintry.

    i use this:

    http://sephora.com/browse/product.jhtml?id=P124928&categoryId=S5700&shouldPaginate=true
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    Mar 15, 2010 5:20 AM GMT
    Everyone ages......

    To reduce the hands of time and to straighten your own natural defense you need lots of water and antioxidants.

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    Mar 15, 2010 5:22 AM GMT
    I've been using really inexpensive Collagen Elastin St Ives BODY lotion on my face since age 16 and of course take my vitamins drink water and workout and ppl cant believe Im 35 .... 36 in Julyicon_redface.gif
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    Mar 15, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    I have no problem with moisturizing. I've been using moisturizers, expensive and inexpensive, since I was in high school. Right now I use a prescription vitamin A cream, Differin, at night, and an excellent hyaluronic acid cream during the day. I've used glycolic acid products in the past. I should also mention that I was on a couple cycles of Accutane in my teens and early twenties, which I think caused a lot of the deflation in my skin. It's like it looks 10-15 years older than it should. I've also worn SPF daily for the past few years.

    I don't get good quality sleep -- never have -- and the stress I refer to is anxiety, panic-attack inducing stress. Sweating it out helps immensely, but I haven't considered switching to the steam room. I'm not sure if steam helps blood stasis (traditional Chinese medicine concept) the same way as the hot/cold sauna/shower combo. We don't have a steam room at the pool, though.

    I was sick for months last year and a very restrictive diet and sleep schedule suggested by my Chinese medicine doctor did help my skin, but I only ate oatmeal and cooked fruits and veggies, and slept from 10pm-8am.
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    Mar 15, 2010 6:02 AM GMT
    Copper is essential for the development of collagen crosslinkages. It is the break down of collagen crosslinkages that causes wrinkles.

    Development of Bone & Connective Tissue

    Copper is also a component of lysyl oxidase, an enzyme that participates in the synthesis of collagen and elastin, two important structural proteins found in bone and connective tissue. Tyrosinase, a copper-containing enzyme, converts tyrosine to melanin, which is the pigment that gives hair and skin its color.

    http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=53


    Roles for Iron and Copper in Connective Tissue Biosynthesis

    ...Copper functions in the oxidative deamination of specific lysyl residues in the soluble forms of both elastin and collagen. This process is essential for crosslink formation and the structural integrity of these proteins. While there is no evidence that nutritional iron deficiency results in connective tissue pathology, copper deficiency impairs crosslink formation ...

    http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/294/1071/91.abstract


    Food Sources

    What foods provide copper?
    Excllent sources of copper include calf's liver, crimini mushrooms, turnip greens and molasses.

    Very good sources of copper include chard, spinach, sesame seeds, mustard greens, kale, summer squash, asparagus, eggplant, and cashews.

    Good sources of copper include peppermint, tomatoes, sunflower seeds, ginger, green beans, potato, and tempeh.

    http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=53#foodsources
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    Mar 15, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidCopper is essential for the development of collagen crosslinkages. It is the break down of collagen crosslinkages that causes wrinkles.

    Development of Bone & Connective Tissue

    Copper is also a component of lysyl oxidase, an enzyme that participates in the synthesis of collagen and elastin, two important structural proteins found in bone and connective tissue. Tyrosinase, a copper-containing enzyme, converts tyrosine to melanin, which is the pigment that gives hair and skin its color.

    http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=53


    Roles for Iron and Copper in Connective Tissue Biosynthesis

    ...Copper functions in the oxidative deamination of specific lysyl residues in the soluble forms of both elastin and collagen. This process is essential for crosslink formation and the structural integrity of these proteins. While there is no evidence that nutritional iron deficiency results in connective tissue pathology, copper deficiency impairs crosslink formation ...

    http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/294/1071/91.abstract


    Food Sources

    What foods provide copper?
    Excllent sources of copper include calf's liver, crimini mushrooms, turnip greens and molasses.

    Very good sources of copper include chard, spinach, sesame seeds, mustard greens, kale, summer squash, asparagus, eggplant, and cashews.

    Good sources of copper include peppermint, tomatoes, sunflower seeds, ginger, green beans, potato, and tempeh.

    http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=53#foodsources


    Thanks, my diet does include lots of pate, black sesame seeds, kale, and peppermint. I've been wanting to add liver for iron and B vitamins. Funny enough that I take a tablespoon of organic vegan molasses everyday for iron and because it settles my stomach. These foods are all what my Chinese medicine doctor recommends for me for other reasons too. icon_smile.gif

    For years I used an awesome and inexpensive copper peptide cream, but it was discontinued about 3 years ago. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 15, 2010 6:19 AM GMT
    Anxiety and stress + lack of proper rest are undoubtedly causing you to age more quickly than you'd like. It is just as important to tackle the psychological issues here as it is to work on lifestyle and dietary changes such as quitting smoking, drinking, reducing refined foods, sugar intake, eating a whole foods diet and most important figuring out how to live life as a mostly HAPPY person. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 15, 2010 6:30 AM GMT
    WesElixir saidAnxiety and stress + lack of proper rest are undoubtedly causing you to age more quickly than you'd like. It is just as important to tackle the psychological issues here as it is to work on lifestyle and dietary changes such as quitting smoking, drinking, reducing refined foods, sugar intake, eating a whole foods diet and most important figuring out how to live life as a mostly HAPPY person. icon_biggrin.gif

    My main focus in everything I do is to tackle what you described above. However, I still have thin skin genetics and am an ectomorph, so I wonder if there is any way to make my skin thicker?
  • myklet1

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    Mar 15, 2010 9:24 AM GMT
    Drink lots of water, cleanse face with a good scrub for your type of skin and use a good moisturizer and repeat at night with a night time moisturizer. Eye gel too It will help. I like Clinique
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    Mar 15, 2010 10:19 AM GMT
    none of you mentioned yogurt or probiotics...just surprised thats all.
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    Mar 15, 2010 2:29 PM GMT
    A lot of good advice here, but it really comes down to genetics. Keep your body hydrated and get more rest than what you're getting now.
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    Mar 15, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
    Retin-A (tretinoin) works. Most of the other stuff is just placebo.

    Get enough protein and good fats. Vegetarianism is not good for most people's skin.

    Stay out of the sauna.

    Stay away from the witch doctors.
  • Timbales

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    Mar 15, 2010 2:49 PM GMT
    If you are seeing a dermatologist. you could discuss chemical peels with him. Mine told me that besides helping with surface issues, it helps boost natural collagen production.
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    Mar 15, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
    "For years I used an awesome and inexpensive copper peptide cream, but it was discontinued about 3 years ago. "

    Osmotics uses the copper peptide technology in most of their products. I've used their products, and while I believe it makes the skin tighter and firmer, I'm not sure if copper works at correcting already established wrinkles.

    Retin A and AHA's are known to diminish wrinkles.

    Interesting, someone mentioned resveratrol as a supplement. It is abundant in peanuts. But I just found a skin care product from La Prairie that has resveratrol prominently in the ingredients list. Actually, the other poster called it "reversitol" which is actually an anti-estrogen supplement. I make that same mistake quite often.

    Anyway, here is the website for Osmotics:

    http://www.osmotics.com/catalog/Skin-Care/skin-care.html

    And here is the La Prairie product with resveratrol:

    http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod57690010&parentId=cat15810737&masterId=cat15810738&index=5&cmCat=cat000000cat000285cat4830738cat000339cat000378cat15810738cat15810737
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    Mar 15, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    I tend to believe that most of the products in the ladies cosmetic section are just a waste of money, they're selling hope is all. Besides if they worked as they claim there would be no women out there with wrinkles and lines.
    Everyone should know by now tanning is the worst thing for your skin and worse yet it cumulative and irreversible except with chemical peels or other invasive procedures. What that means is that those nice tans you had as a youngster and a teenager ARE coming back to haunt you sooner or later, no question about it.

    Smoking, poor diet, stress and lack of sleep can all lead to poor skin in some way or other in some people by varying degrees.

    If it's as noticeable and bothersome then you really should go see a dermatologist rather than relying on the collective wisdoms found here, including my own.
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    Mar 15, 2010 7:19 PM GMT
    As Catherine Deneauve famously said, at some point you "have to choose between your face and your ass."
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:04 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidAs Catherine Deneauve famously said, at some point you "have to choose between your face and your ass."

    OK, I think that's the best advice so far!

    Thanks for all the advice everyone.

    I've been using creams and have had a dermatologist since I was a teenager. I've also had microdermabrasion and chemical peels. All of that is pretty much superficial (does not change your skin).

    I'm interested in ways to plump up my skin from the inside, either food, sleep, water, hormones, fat. Nothing exterior can make a difference at this point... I've got that sorted. icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    I thought working out make you look younger icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:22 AM GMT
    kandsk said
    eagermuscle saidAs Catherine Deneauve famously said, at some point you "have to choose between your face and your ass."

    OK, I think that's the best advice so far!

    Thanks for all the advice everyone.

    I've been using creams and have had a dermatologist since I was a teenager. I've also had microdermabrasion and chemical peels. All of that is pretty much superficial (does not change your skin).

    I'm interested in ways to plump up my skin from the inside, either food, sleep, water, hormones, fat. Nothing exterior can make a difference at this point... I've got that sorted. icon_smile.gif


    Well creatine might make you retain water and plump out your face. I can't take the stuff, it totally bloats me.
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:40 AM GMT
    have you looked into Sculptra ?
    not cheap, about $700 / injection and from what you say you might need up to 4 shots.
    just make sure the doctor is competent using it . It's made by Aventis and uses polymers that will trap collagen . After 3 months the polymers are excreted and only the collagen remains, up to 2 years.
    but the injections are a bit painful .

    Il faut souffrir pour etre belle.
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    Mar 16, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    If I was going to do anything invasive, I would get dermarolled over injectables. I'm about 10 years away from having the money for those types of treatments.

    Creatine and increased copper intake sound like sensible options.
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    Mar 16, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    matter of preference.
    Sculptra has known great success since it came out 2 years ago.
    It was mostly designed for people with AIDS related lipodistrophy .
    But the cosmetic world was quick to pick it up.
    I have a friend who had injections, ( 4) and it made a big difference.
    i;m considering them myself as people who do a lot of sports , especially endurance ones, tend to lose a lot of collagen as they age


    but i'm more curious about Titan laser and newer LED treatments.
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    Mar 16, 2010 7:07 PM GMT
    kandsk saidI'm a hard gainer and mass is not my focus. When I go to the gym, I do a full body workout of large muscle groups with heavy weights, but it's mostly for the hormones and to tire myself out. Otherwise, I swim for enjoyment every other day and spend a lot of time in the sauna to de-stress.

    The problem is, my face looks ravaged, gaunt. My skin is thin and at 26, I have permanent expression lines. The crows feet I have inherited from my dad, so besides avoiding sun damage, I don't think there's anything else I can do there. I want to plump up or thicken my skin, but I don't want to lose body definition because I'm such an ectomorph. Is it even possible to make skin thicker? Maybe by promoting more testosterone?

    Maybe I should change my focus and just try to bulk up as much as possible... to gain fat for my face but also muscle so that the extra fat on my body doesn't look terrible?


    It's cuz you're so thin.