New "Art" Exhibit in NYC Includes Nude Pair Standing Still

  • bijockmuscle

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    Mar 16, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
    Can someone tell me how this art? I understand paintings, sculptures and stuff, but putting naked people in different poses is so not art...can someone explain this to me??????

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/16/us/AP-US-Live-Nude-Art.html?_r=1&ref=news
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    Mar 16, 2010 1:56 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle saidCan someone tell me how this art?

    I dunno, no expert on art myself, but I can assure you it's been going on for a long time. Sometimes with body paint or a skin coating to simulate stone, sometimes just bare skin, as seems to be the case here. Earlier examples include nude tableaux vivant presented in 1920s Berlin, though I'm not sure there were any claims it was true art, rather than entertainment.

    This is considered performance art, a fairly amorphous term, and the article says this same exhibit was first presented in 1977. I know the new MoMA building, hope the nudes were in one of the smaller exhibit spaces, some of the others areas are huge, drafty, and, no pun, quite bare. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    bijockmuscle saidCan someone tell me how this art?

    I dunno, no expert on art myself, but I can assure you it's been going on for a long time. Sometimes with body paint or a skin coating to simulate stone, sometimes just bare skin, as seems to be the case here. Earlier examples include nude tableaux presented in 1920s Berlin, though I'm not sure there were any claims it was true art, rather than entertainment.

    This is considered performance art, a fairly amorphous term, and the article says this same exhibit was first presented in 1977. I know the new MoMA building, hope the nudes were in one of the smaller exhibit spaces, some of the others areas are huge, drafty, and, no pun, quite bare. icon_wink.gif


    if anyone can do it, its not art
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:13 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle saidif anyone can do it, its not art

    That's certainly a commonly held viewpoint, that art requires a degree of rarity & exceptional accomplishment, among other qualities. And so, COULD anyone else have done this show at MoMA?

    The models themselves are not the issue here, in my view, though it does take skill to remain absolutely motionless and unaffected by one's surroundings. But then, that also describes the guards at Buckingham Palace.

    It's a matter of what the artist here has created with those models. And indeed, could anyone else have done this? Are these nothing more than naked versions of living mannequins, like some department stores use, or is their presentation something unique, remarkable, and indeed artistic? If she had carved them in stone, would these same groupings be considered art?

    Well, so far I haven't seen any pics, so I can't guess. I do believe performance art is a valid means of artistic expression, though being amorphous as I wrote above, standards for judging it are very imprecise. Here's a definition:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_art
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:14 PM GMT
    It's called performance art.
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:15 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidIt's called performance art.


    performance yes, art no
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:27 PM GMT
    bijockmuscle said
    SAHEM62896 saidIt's called performance art.

    performance yes, art no

    Your view is popular with many people, about much of performance art, and no doubt this exhibition, too. But if you live in the City, why not visit MoMA and see for yourself? I think they've got some other things running now about Picasso and Tim Burton, in addition to this one, pictured below.

    http://www.moma.org/

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    Mar 16, 2010 2:29 PM GMT
    The fact that you were bothered enough to make this thread makes it Art.
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:32 PM GMT
    Meanwhile, pinball in Amercia is considered an art form....icon_rolleyes.gif

    courtesy of Meriam Webster:




    Main Entry: art form
    Function: noun
    Date: 1868

    1 : a form or medium of expression recognized as fine art
    2 a : an unconventional form or medium in which impulses regarded as artistic may be expressed (describe pinball as a great American art form — Tom Buckley) b : an undertaking or activity enhanced by a high level of skill or refinement (easy conversation—an art form in peril of being lost to contemporary schedules — Joanna Pruess)
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:33 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidThe fact that you were bothered enough to make this thread makes it Art.

    What a provocative thought!
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
    meninlove said b : an undertaking or activity enhanced by a high level of skill or refinement...

    So you're saying my martini hour is art? Very glad to hear it! icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    Welcome to the 20th century.
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    sounds quite artsy to me icon_smile.gif

    like a performance art/ installation combo.

    the artist is creating images or tableaus using different materials than a sculptur or painter (here people and objects), and it obviously made the news and got some sort of reaction from the visitors. some felt embarrassed at least.

    Art is seeking to evoke thought or emotions in viewers, whether they be pleasant or negative. Not anyone can do that (like Red vespa said). The artist came up with this idea and now it's hers. If someone else did something similar tomorrow, they'd be copycats.

    In my opinion it's a form of art, whether I'd like it or not is irrelevant.
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:40 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidThe fact that you were bothered enough to make this thread makes it Art.


    agreed, you said it so much shorter and more precise than I did icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
    Art can be all forms of expression. This seems very artsy to me, and sounds similar to what is being described in the article, only on a shorter time scale:

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    Mar 16, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    RowBuddy saidI just took a shit. I shall call it art.


    exactly
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:54 PM GMT
    Thanks for saying that. That about summarizes my opinion of the watered down Marina Abramovic. Rachel Rosenthal just celebrated her 80th birthday and is far more provocative artistically - even now.

    The best performance that I have personally seen is a piece by the Turkish "action architect" Mehmet Sander. Back when Jesse Helms was still alive and Highways was making waves in the N.E.A. he walked on to stage (looking absolutely great) completely naked with a bottle of Wet and a loaded (he said anyway) .357 magnum. He then proceeded to fuck himself with the loaded gun in front of a live audience. The piece is, of course, a metaphor for bareback sex. Now that was performance art.



    MunchingZombie saidWelcome to the 20th century.
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    bijockmuscle said
    RowBuddy saidI just took a shit. I shall call it art.


    exactly


    not very original, since it's already been done. in 1961 italian artist Piero Manzoni produced 90 cans containing his own shit, labelled "Merda d'artista"/ the artists shit. icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:56 PM GMT
    Non-representational art can be difficult for some people to get if they aren't expecting it. Some artists focus more on challenging the viewer's perceptions of a concept than a physical creation of something.
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
    and who made you the CZAR of What is art?
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    Mar 16, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
    UrsaMajor said...He then proceeded to fuck himself with the loaded gun in front of a live audience. The piece is, of course, a metaphor for bareback sex. Now that was performance art.

    Gawd, I hope he filed the front sight off the barrel end first. icon_eek.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
    I suppose museums and art collectors are a bit worried about the cans from '61. how long before they start leaking. icon_razz.gif
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
    "this thread is useless without pics"
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
    rnch said"this thread is useless without pics"

    This is the best I can find at present, of the 2 facing nudes at MoMA, though blurred. But hey, they're women, so who cares? I had already posted the artist herself above, where she sits at a table (right in red), along with volunteers from the audience.

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    Mar 16, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidand who made you the CZAR of What is art?


    Jesus