Demonstrators hurl N-word, spit at black members of Congress

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    Mar 20, 2010 11:54 PM GMT
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    WASHINGTON - House Democrats heard it all Saturday — words of inspiration from President Barack Obama and raucous chants of protests from demonstrators. And at times it was flat-out ugly, including some racial epithets aimed at black members of Congress.

    Most of the day's important work leading up to Sunday's historic vote on health care was being done behind closed doors. Democratic leaders cajoled, bargained and did what they needed to nail down the votes they will need to finally push Obama's health care overhaul billthrough the House.

    But much else about the day was noisy, emotional and right out in the open. After more than a year debating the capstone of Obama's domestic agenda and just hours to go before the showdown vote, there was little holding back.

    The tone was set outside the Capitol. Clogging the sidewalks and streets of Capitol Hill were at least hundreds — no official estimate was yet available — of loud, furious protesters, many of them tea party opponents of the health care overhaul.

    Rallies outside the Capitol are typically orderly, with speeches and well-behaved crowds. Saturday's was different, with anger-fueled demonstrators surrounding members of Congress who walked by, yelling at them.

    "Kill the bill," the largely middle-aged crowd shouted, surging toward lawmakers who crossed the street between their office buildings and the Capitol.

    The motorcade that carried Obama to Capitol Hill to whip up support for the bill drove past crowds waving signs that read "Stop the spending" and "Get your hands out of my pocketbook and health care." Many booed and thrust their thumbs down as Obama rode by.

    As police held demonstrators back to clear areas for lawmakers outside the Capitol Obama's speech, some protesters jeered and chanted at the officers, "You work for us."

    Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon House Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted "the N-word, the N-word, 15 times." Both Carson and Lewis are black, and Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones also said that it occurred.

    "It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a large former police officer who said he wasn't frightened but worried about the 70-year-old Lewis, who is twice his age. "He said it reminded him of another time."

    Kristie Greco, spokeswoman for Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., said a protester spit on Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., who is black.

    Clyburn, who led fellow black students in integrating South Carolina's public facilities a half century ago, called the behavior "absolutely shocking."

    "I heard people saying things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus," Clyburn told reporters.

    Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay, said protesters shouted "abusive things" to him as he walked from the Longworth building to the Rayburn building. "It's a mob mentality that doesn't work politically," he said.

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    Mar 20, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    True to form, I suppose...


    I'm tired of hearing that it's just a "small minority" of the protestors by now. They're all cut from the same cloth as stated several times before!! NO MORE DAMN EXCUSES!!
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    Mar 21, 2010 12:40 AM GMT
    There's a noticable silence from the RJ right-wing apologists on this topic.
    Understandably.
    No doubt they're hoping it will quietly disappear.
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    Mar 21, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
    MSNBC? The same network, that did the edit job on the bloke with the gun, not showing him fully because they said it was a white man, who was angry and racist... But when the full shot of him was shown unedited it was really a black man rofl. I trust this as far as I can spit a dead rat lol.

    Are there shitheads in the group that take it too far? You bet man, and they are the ones who fuck it up for the people who are sticking by the group's basic message. I'm not saying embrace them, but you can't disagree with the anger at congress, and the government no matter what your political affiliations are. People want the government and congress to use more common sense, be more accountable, have more responsibility and honesty.. Pay attention to the constitution and the people of the country. I can't argue with that, because all of that is severely lacking among our leaders, no matter what party... By the way, let me know if there are any arrest because of violence, or vandalism when this is all over, like we typically see from other protest.... Also these same kind of protest based on the same anger, are also going on in Europe... They're just a bit worse there.

    Would you, and do you get this outraged, when a left-wing group of protesters, cause a lot of violence and vandalism, or say racist stuff to non-whites who don't agree with their views?

    How do you feel about some of the racist stuff from the left said about Condi Rice? Or the racist stuff from the left said about Michael Steele? Hell in 08 I believe it was.. There were a bunch of left-wingers in Florida doing a protest against Israel's actions. There were signs up there with some pretty bad stuff on em, one of em I remember was "Jews get back in the oven".

    As someone who's grandparents were in the death camps and all, I didn't like that too much... Funny how you didn't hear a word from any of the "media" pointing out the nut bags in this protest... Even that black man that got beaten up real bad by those two white SEIU union wankers... You bet if the two men who beat him were right-wingers MSNBC and the rest of the lamestream media would have been all over that screaming racism. And then one of you more left-wingers would have made a post about it, to show how evil the right is. What about those two kids who did real investigative journalism, exposing that shit about ACORN? I mean I got a problem with anyone who is ok with allowing two people to bring in underage illegals for prostitution.. Did that bother you.. Which was nothing more than modern day slavery.. Or did the fact that the two who exposed it, seemed to be "right-wingers" (as the left-wingers dubbed them) bother you more?

    I don't like it when either side does this kind of shit, but wouldn't it be a lot better if people would call both sides out for this kind of bullshit instead of playing the sides game? After all, the people who do acts of violence, or say some pretty racist crap to others, are in a way violating another person's rights, because of their point of view.. As a soldier who has fought to defend this country, and the rights of all.. I don't like it when people do this kind of crap, and I don't take sides when its done... If you don't, call out the wrong doing of the other side, don't bother doing it when the other side does it, because that's just not honest, and then means nothing unfortunately.
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    Mar 21, 2010 12:46 AM GMT
    haha
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    Mar 21, 2010 12:48 AM GMT
    Talk about ignorance on full display. Reminds me of the atmosphere I felt during the presidential campaign (that really hasn't died down) - just a hate filled throng of people angry enough to hurt someone. And for what?!
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    Mar 21, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThere's a noticable silence from the RJ right-wing apologists on this topic.
    Understandably.
    No doubt they're hoping it will quietly disappear.


    Yes I'm sure... But is that any different from when left-wingers say or do something hateful and outrageous? It gets quiet, or "it wasn't seen".... It is even given excuses...

    When people like you do this sort of thing, its just phony outrage, because if you actually did care about the rights of others, or fairness. You'd show the same outrage when the other side does it.

    And by no means am I defending this, IF it is true... I'm just sick of this silly game I constantly see fools on here playing.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:00 AM GMT
    IHG84 saidAnd by no means am I defending this, IF it is true... I'm just sick of this silly game I constantly see fools on here playing.

    You ARE defending it, by casting doubt on what has just been seen on television by all of us. And by pretending that calling Black Members of Congress nig**** has a Liberal equivalent in this debate, making it all fine & dandy. I can't believe I keep hearing this lie that "the other side does it, too" as a lame defense for this. What are some of you, 5-year-olds?
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    I saw this on several news stations in my area. The N word and the F word being thrown around. And some of the sophmoric fools on this site are really no better. And the amazing part of it to me is the most vile of the protesters on both sides don't have a frakking clue as to what they are talking about and when they are called on it, low and behold, the real intelligence comes out with the name-calling rather than sticking to the issue at hand. And this is the best this country has to offer? Just wait until after the vote on Sunday........
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    IHG84 saidAnd by no means am I defending this, IF it is true... I'm just sick of this silly game I constantly see fools on here playing.

    You ARE defending it, by casting doubt on what has just been seen on television by all of us. And by pretending that calling Black Members of Congress nig**** has a Liberal equivalent in this debate, making it all fine & dandy. I can't believe I keep hearing this lie that "the other side does it, too" as a lame defense for this. What are some of you, 5-year-olds?


    So wrong, and confused you are...

    I said nothing in defense of this kind of behavior that I know goes on among the far-right.. Its disgusting.

    I also know those on the far left get down and dirty with the racism as well, both are always presented in different ways. I don't need to call you the N word to be a racist shit bag... There are other things I could do or say which would imply the same kind of ignorance and hatred.. You should be wise and honest enough to know this.

    As far as my doubt in the whole story. That comes from what this network has done in the past, which was just so pathetic its laughable.. I see you ignored what I mentioned about how they tried to make the crazy guy with the gun appear to be an angry racist white man... When he was a black man... Not only is that dishonest reporting which makes me doubt everything else they report... But its just one of many examples of how racism is done on the left... Again you should be wise and honest enough to know this. Its no secret the ideology of the people on that network. Or the way they feel about the people protesting.. My doubt in the story was very well justified.

    Finally... I always the same guys on here, posting links and talking about how evil the right is, making sweeping generalizations, ultimately always being so very one sided... You act as if none of this same kind of ignorance and hatred can be found on the other side, and get quiet, ignore it, and excuse it when it is done from "your side"... Like I said to the other guy, this is phony outrage, and if you don't care when it is done from "your side", why bother getting all worked up when it is done on the other side? It shows you care more for your ideology, than the person who was insulted, or assaulted. With vile speech, or violence because of their different views.

    Its pure phoniness, and its disgusting... A 5-year old could have easily understood what I meant with that... Only one not so wise and observant would think it was an excuse, or defending the behavior.
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    ErikTaurean saidI saw this on several news stations in my area. The N word and the F word being thrown around. And some of the sophmoric fools on this site are really no better. And the amazing part of it to me is the most vile of the protesters on both sides don't have a frakking clue as to what they are talking about and when they are called on it, low and behold, the real intelligence comes out with the name-calling rather than sticking to the issue at hand. And this is the best this country has to offer? Just wait until after the vote on Sunday........



    Agreed
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    IHG84 said
    ErikTaurean saidI saw this on several news stations in my area. The N word and the F word being thrown around. And some of the sophmoric fools on this site are really no better. And the amazing part of it to me is the most vile of the protesters on both sides don't have a frakking clue as to what they are talking about and when they are called on it, low and behold, the real intelligence comes out with the name-calling rather than sticking to the issue at hand. And this is the best this country has to offer? Just wait until after the vote on Sunday........



    Agreed


    Agree to what? Your very first words in reply to this thread was a question of credibility of the source I quoted from and now here you are agreeing to the statement that this news was on several news stations elsewhere?

    Just save it. I don't want to read your nonsense.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    IHG84 said, "Would you, and do you get this outraged, when a left-wing group of protesters, cause a lot of violence and vandalism, or say racist stuff to non-whites who don't agree with their views?"


    Hell yeah! When the WTO protests turned violent, I didn't applaud their actions. And stop displacing blame onto liberals for the current actions of right-wingers. What more do we need to expect from the Tea Party for people to acknowledge their full intentions? An assassination attempt on someone? WHAT!? Remember how we liberals were on RJ calling out the racists Democrats who refused to vote for Obama because he is black? Here's a reference: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/183385 Stop the games already!
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    IHG84 said
    ErikTaurean saidI saw this on several news stations in my area. The N word and the F word being thrown around. And some of the sophmoric fools on this site are really no better. And the amazing part of it to me is the most vile of the protesters on both sides don't have a frakking clue as to what they are talking about and when they are called on it, low and behold, the real intelligence comes out with the name-calling rather than sticking to the issue at hand. And this is the best this country has to offer? Just wait until after the vote on Sunday........



    Agreed


    Agree to what? Your very first words in reply to this thread was a question of credibility of the source I quoted from and now here you are agreeing to the statement that this news was on several news stations elsewhere?

    Just save it. I don't want to read your nonsense.


    Read what he wrote again, and then think about it... Maybe you'll get it.

    And yes I did question the credibility of your source.. Why wouldn't I based on what they've done and said in the past.. That was not only false, but one sided..

    Take the phony outrage some place else please.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    Phony outrage?! You deny the racist slurs and the spitting on elected officials?! That's not outrageous? WTF!
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    Why is it that ever since Obama took office (and even before) that groups like the neo-nazis ranks have been swelling? I can't believe that even here in so-cal (in riverside) they set up camp to harass Mexicans, Jews, and "Fags" .. apparently they are feeling empowered http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webnazi25.2d9a4ba.html

    http://www.scpr.org/news/2009/10/23/nazi-rallies/To the National Socialist Movement, it was a rousing success. Even though the Riverside Police Department said there were no serious fights and no one brandished a weapon, the NSM's Web site refers to the “Great 8” as proud street warriors who stood their ground against machete-wielding, rock throwing "illegal immigrants, Jews, and homosexuals".
    Go to the link above for audio ..
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    coolarmydude saidPhony outrage?! You deny the racist slurs and the spitting on elected officials?! That's not outrageous? WTF!


    I only doubted the source of the story, because again like I said I know what they've done before... So my doubt was justified... But if you think that I don't think a lot of them protesters are wacky ignorant racist bastards who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground... Then you're just as foolish as they are.

    I know what liberals have said, or done to black elected officials who weren't Republican, or Liberal.. In no way do I defend the behavior of either, because I find it all to be disgusting.. What I am basically saying, that you and vespa failed to see is.. Why do people on here get so outraged, when someone from the right says or does something vile, yet I don't see any post or anything when someone from the left says or does something vile..

    Its phony outrage, because some people on here are slaves to an ideology.
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    IHG84 saidAnd by no means am I defending this, IF it is true... I'm just sick of this silly game I constantly see fools on here playing.

    You ARE defending it, by casting doubt on what has just been seen on television by all of us. And by pretending that calling Black Members of Congress nig**** has a Liberal equivalent in this debate, making it all fine & dandy. I can't believe I keep hearing this lie that "the other side does it, too" as a lame defense for this. What are some of you, 5-year-olds?

    So wrong, and confused you are...

    I said nothing in defense of this kind of behavior that I know goes on among the far-right.. Its disgusting.

    I also know those on the far left get down and dirty with the racism as well, both are always presented in different ways...

    Thank you for proving my words. In reply to my having just criticized the "other side does it, too" argument, you claimed I was wrong and confused, and then went on to say that: "those on the far left get down and dirty with the racism as well..."

    Aside from such a questionable claim that liberals are racists (if they are, then what the hell does that make right-wingers yelling nig*** at Black lawmakers today?), you have just given a perfect example of what I was describing: deflecting a charge by false claims that the other guy does, it too, without answering the question.

    But conducting such an exchange with you does become repetitive after a while, when all you can do is to continue to say "everybody does it." If you cannot understand this simple point, then I doubt it's me who's the one confused here.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:57 AM GMT
    The Southern Poverty Law Center documented a 244 percent increase in the number of active Patriot groups in 2009.

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/splc-report-number-of-patriot-groups-militias-surges-by-244-in-past-year


    And don't forget the Bossier City, LA Sheriff starting his own "potbelly paramilitary" group.



    This is going to get worse.
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    coolarmydude saidIHG84 said, "Would you, and do you get this outraged, when a left-wing group of protesters, cause a lot of violence and vandalism, or say racist stuff to non-whites who don't agree with their views?"


    Hell yeah! When the WTO protests turned violent, I didn't applaud their actions. And stop displacing blame onto liberals for the current actions of right-wingers. What more do we need to expect from the Tea Party for people to acknowledge their full intentions? An assassination attempt on someone? WHAT!? Remember how we liberals were on RJ calling out the racists Democrats who refused to vote for Obama because he is black? Here's a reference: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/183385 Stop the games already!


    *clap clap* nice work mate, but there is more to it than that.

    And stop thinking I think all liberals are bad, because I do not. And I'm not sure people like yourself are too knowledgeable in the intentions of the group, if you think everyone who agrees with the basic message are like the shit heads who once again fuck it all up for everyone else.

    Have you ever been to one? I have.
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    IHG84 saidAnd by no means am I defending this, IF it is true... I'm just sick of this silly game I constantly see fools on here playing.

    You ARE defending it, by casting doubt on what has just been seen on television by all of us. And by pretending that calling Black Members of Congress nig**** has a Liberal equivalent in this debate, making it all fine & dandy. I can't believe I keep hearing this lie that "the other side does it, too" as a lame defense for this. What are some of you, 5-year-olds?


    So wrong, and confused you are...

    I said nothing in defense of this kind of behavior that I know goes on among the far-right.. Its disgusting.

    I also know those on the far left get down and dirty with the racism as well, both are always presented in different ways. I don't need to call you the N word to be a racist shit bag... There are other things I could do or say which would imply the same kind of ignorance and hatred.. You should be wise and honest enough to know this.

    As far as my doubt in the whole story. That comes from what this network has done in the past, which was just so pathetic its laughable.. I see you ignored what I mentioned about how they tried to make the crazy guy with the gun appear to be an angry racist white man... When he was a black man... Not only is that dishonest reporting which makes me doubt everything else they report... But its just one of many examples of how racism is done on the left... Again you should be wise and honest enough to know this. Its no secret the ideology of the people on that network. Or the way they feel about the people protesting.. My doubt in the story was very well justified.

    Finally... I always the same guys on here, posting links and talking about how evil the right is, making sweeping generalizations, ultimately always being so very one sided... You act as if none of this same kind of ignorance and hatred can be found on the other side, and get quiet, ignore it, and excuse it when it is done from "your side"... Like I said to the other guy, this is phony outrage, and if you don't care when it is done from "your side", why bother getting all worked up when it is done on the other side? It shows you care more for your ideology, than the person who was insulted, or assaulted. With vile speech, or violence because of their different views.

    Its pure phoniness, and its disgusting... A 5-year old could have easily understood what I meant with that... Only one not so wise and observant would think it was an excuse, or defending the behavior.


    I must admit ones exposure to the American left wing, certainly the gay leafiest, until I came to RJ. The thing that has gotten me and I do sit on the fence politically, as I myself, vote for who will be best for Oz over all, and not who will give to me, me, me. I put the welfare of my Island first, so I don't belong to the left or the right.

    But the blinding hate I've witnessed time and time and time agin from the gay and bisexual left here. The name calling, the personal attack, just because another may not behold their agenda. The jumping of joy because another human is dead, or sick. The character assassinations. Yet they see no wrong n their actions, because it makes them feel good, and better, and they fob it off with" well I needed to vent" as if that makes it all good, or they put the blame on the right.

    Sadly the left remain blind to the trail of destruction behind them. They can justify their hate and shortcomings. Happy to say Marie Osmond and her religion killed her son. But no for one moment want to see the gay left may well of been equally to blame, if not more so. How they would of treated him being a Mormon, and belonging to the Osmond's, any wonder he fell into the dark side of the gay community the drug side, and not feeling accepted by the Mormons, and rejected by the gay left, depressed and on drugs, any-wonder he did himself in! Se so Marie did not kill her gay son, nor did his mothers religion, but thats not who the left was promoting it.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
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    coolarmydude saidPhony outrage?! You deny the racist slurs and the spitting on elected officials?! That's not outrageous? WTF!


    I only doubted the source of the story, because again like I said I know what they've done before... So my doubt was justified... But if you think that I don't think a lot of them protesters are wacky ignorant racist bastards who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground... Then you're just as foolish as they are.

    I know what liberals have said, or done to black elected officials who weren't Republican, or Liberal.. In no way do I defend the behavior of either, because I find it all to be disgusting.. What I am basically saying, that you and vespa failed to see is.. Why do people on here get so outraged, when someone from the right says or does something vile, yet I don't see any post or anything when someone from the left says or does something vile..

    Its phony outrage, because some people on here are slaves to an ideology.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/183385 Do I need to put your nose to shit?! The link I'm pointing you to is one example. We call it out just as well. You just pick and choose what you want to read.
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    Mar 21, 2010 3:02 AM GMT
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    *clap clap* nice work mate, but there is more to it than that.

    And stop thinking I think all liberals are bad, because I do not. And I'm not sure people like yourself are too knowledgeable in the intentions of the group, if you think everyone who agrees with the basic message are like the shit heads who once again fuck it all up for everyone else.

    Have you ever been to one? I have.



    That explains your defensiveness in this thread. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    I recall when prop 8 was to pass in CA, and many of the left wingers felt a right to coz as much havoc in LA traffic, try and stop people from going to the Temple, verbally attacking the right wing or conservative blacks, for not supporting them, verbally attacking the South Americans too, then fob it all off with well I had to vent.

    I know it was warned here don't count you chickens before the vote is counted, and start to party. They did not want to see this, or hear it either, they shot the messenger; no they had won in their minds. Then when the votes where counted, and prop 8 was to pass, the rampage. the blame game was on, and non of them wanted to look at that maybe their actions contributed to the "voters" not supporting them. No it was all the right wingers fault, the gay left had nothing to do with the failure of prop 8 passing.