Census doesn't count gays?

  • trl_

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    Mar 21, 2010 7:40 AM GMT
    Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I filled out the Census for my family (since my dad didn't want to) and it's incorrect to say that it "doesn't mention gays". I remember the values as follows:
    Name
    Relation to head of household
    Gender
    (etc)

    In theory any gay couple living together could report their relationship to the census this way, but I'm not sure of the wording (you know, husband/wife/partner)

    Can anyone clarify this for me?
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    Mar 21, 2010 11:31 AM GMT
    RJ just had a decent article on this, including suggestions for filling it out:

    http://www.realjock.com/article/1616
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    Mar 21, 2010 11:44 AM GMT
    I don't fill out mine and threw it in the trash
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    Mar 21, 2010 11:46 AM GMT
    Garden State Equality advised that NJ residents who have domestic partner or civil union documentation report as married.
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    Mar 21, 2010 11:47 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidI don't fill out mine and threw it in the trash


    Why not stand up and be counted?

    The census form has a section where you can check a box to describe the person you live with as "domestic partner."
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    Mar 21, 2010 12:10 PM GMT
    My version asked how is person #2 related to person#1...and the list of options included husband/wife, etc....all the way to unmarried partner....
    So, it's counting but if u live together.
  • mynyun

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    Mar 21, 2010 12:35 PM GMT
    All I can say is I am glad of the census in the past. It's good for Geneology use. If someone in the future goes looking for you this would help them find you NOW.
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    Mar 21, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
    Hi, all-
    While ther are many government entities that assist with a geneological search about one's family (or others), the Census is most definitely not the source of such data.

    It's a federal crime to share data about individuals completing the Census and it's not wise to assert otherwise for it creates a situation whereby folks who would otherwise share the answers to the ten generic questions will think it's unsafe to do so.

    Take a look here: http://www.census.gov/privacy/

    Thanks guys.

    Perry from Philly
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    Mar 21, 2010 1:14 PM GMT
    I want to thank the OP for bringing this up and to thank anyone else, in advance, for reading this post because I'd like to share some information on this subject, about which, I've been involved for about a year.

    I'm a member of one of the Census's Complete Count Committees...
    I'm with the LGBT Complete Count Committee of Greater Philadelphia.

    What we are telling our communities here, is what other similar complete count committees are saying elsewhere - and with the encouragement of Census employees -

    1. Everyone should complete the form. This information is used to direct dollars to regions and government agencies. IF you don't complete the form, less $ will follow.

    2. Those LGBT in relationships should answer the gender question however they live their lives - not by their birth gender, in the case of transgender individuals.

    3. If you are in a relationship with someone and you live under the same roof - by all means, tell the government on this form. While there isn't (yet) a question that counts gay people, or those that identify as transgender, there's a question (#2) that asks if you are in a domestic partnership or marriage.

    You are encouraged to answer the question as to how you interpret your relationship - not how the federal government sees your relationship.

    So, if you view yourself as being married (regardless of your state government's rules, check off married.

    If you view yourself as in a domestic partnership - answer it that way.

    4. It should be noted that not all LGBT groups do not agree on #3, but a good percentage do...

    5. There are concerted efforts underway within the Census, the Obama adminstration, with the Human Rights Campaign, LGBT foundations, the National Gay and Lesbian and Task Force and more to work within the system and to get the greatest count of our communities to occur. The government wants to hire LGBT people to help with the Census and have been dispatching employees out to LGBT organizations to engender more support in doing so. At my office, we have an LGBT employee flyer for the Census to increase the number of people coming into the health center to consider applying.

    For more information about the efforts to inspire more participation among LGBT people and to provide resources, visit:

    www.ourfamiliescount.org

    Thanks for reading - and please share with others!

    Perry from Philly
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    Mar 21, 2010 1:27 PM GMT
    pedroc954 saidMy version asked how is person #2 related to person#1...and the list of options included husband/wife, etc....all the way to unmarried partner....
    So, it's counting but if u live together.


    My form was the same. Everyone's census for is the same if I'm not mistaken. If I remember correctly this census was much shorter than the last one...or maybe the one before that. Age, gender and head count are all that are needed to decide legislative boundaries, social services, school needs, etc.

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    Mar 21, 2010 1:35 PM GMT
    Correct, this is a shorter Census form, the second shortest Census form since 1790.

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    Mar 21, 2010 1:50 PM GMT
    RPMSoccer saidI want to thank the OP for bringing this up and to thank anyone else, in advance, for reading this post because I'd like to share some information on this subject, about which, I've been involved for about a year.

    I'm a member of one of the Census's Complete Count Committees...
    I'm with the LGBT Complete Count Committee of Greater Philadelphia.

    What we are telling our communities here, is what other similar complete count committees are saying elsewhere - and with the encouragement of Census employees -

    1. Everyone should complete the form. This information is used to direct dollars to regions and government agencies. IF you don't complete the form, less $ will follow.

    2. Those LGBT in relationships should answer the gender question however they live their lives - not by their birth gender, in the case of transgender individuals.

    3. If you are in a relationship with someone and you live under the same roof - by all means, tell the government on this form. While there isn't (yet) a question that counts gay people, or those that identify as transgender, there's a question (#2) that asks if you are in a domestic partnership or marriage.

    You are encouraged to answer the question as to how you interpret your relationship - not how the federal government sees your relationship.

    So, if you view yourself as being married (regardless of your state government's rules, check off married.

    If you view yourself as in a domestic partnership - answer it that way.

    4. It should be noted that not all LGBT groups do not agree on #3, but a good percentage do...

    5. There are concerted efforts underway within the Census, the Obama adminstration, with the Human Rights Campaign, LGBT foundations, the National Gay and Lesbian and Task Force and more to work within the system and to get the greatest count of our communities to occur. The government wants to hire LGBT people to help with the Census and have been dispatching employees out to LGBT organizations to engender more support in doing so. At my office, we have an LGBT employee flyer for the Census to increase the number of people coming into the health center to consider applying.

    For more information about the efforts to inspire more participation among LGBT people and to provide resources, visit:

    www.ourfamiliescount.org

    Thanks for reading - and please share with others!

    Perry from Philly



    Thanks for info. I am gonna fill out the new 1
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
    Despite the Republican propaganda that DOMA is merely about "states rights," (which is their latest smoke screen about everything they don't like in Democratic proposals), half of the act concerns denying gay marriage and union rights at the Federal level. Even if a state should approve gay marriage, the other states don't have to acknowledge it, denying those citizens the same rights as straight married couples (apparently some states have more rights than others).

    And among the Federal rights & recognitions denied to legally married gays by DOMA is that of being counted under the US Census. The Obama Administration had to walk a fine line to get partially past that restriction, and these current "work arounds" are the result. But I still occasionally read about Republicans in Congress trying to impose a complete ban on the capturing of any LGBT data, and it wouldn't surprise me if they attempt to destroy the data, should they regain control of Congress this November.

    They evidently fear that to officially capture data on us would be to acknowledge and legitimize us, which Republicans vehemently oppose. They'd rather we remain a marginalized shadow group wherever possible, without hate crimes protections, even made illegal again as we once were. And so we were deliberately written out of the Census in DOMA by its Republican authors.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:10 PM GMT
    Re. Red Vespa's post -

    I do agree that some want to write us off and conspire to delegitimize our existence.

    All the more reason for all of us to stand up and be counted *and* to rally for the 2020 Census to include those that wish to be counted with regard to sexual orientation and gender identity.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 21, 2010 2:19 PM GMT
    Rodmramer saidI don't fill out mine and threw it in the trash



    I'm glad you changed your mind and decided to fill out the new one. It is really important that everyone do this. If everyone threw theirs out, they could never get an accurate census and the information is really important.
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    Mar 21, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    Whether you're gay or not can be extrapolated (at least if you're married) by filling in the name and gender of person 1 and person 2 and marking husband or wife as the relationship between person 1 and person 2. I would think you could mark the same if you have a domestic partnership or a civil union.

    The purpose of the census though, is not to count and categorize heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, and so forth, but instead to count people.

    Also, despite the promises of the Federal Government not to use the information against the participant(s), I cannot help but recall the lists that Nazis made of Jews, homosexuals, and political opponents, and thus, I am happy that such specific and for some, very private questions, are not on the census.
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    Mar 21, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
    As a single gay man (at least until I marry my husband in South Africa) I was disappointed that there was no where to indicate if you are gay or not. The only inference is for those in relationships who can indicate married when filling out "person number 2".
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    Mar 21, 2010 4:18 PM GMT
    I just throw them out. The less the government knows about me the better.
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    Mar 21, 2010 4:27 PM GMT
    Well that's a bad idea, v. If you don't fill out the census, then the government must constitutionally try to count you by sending people out to get the census information...at even greater expense.

    Additionally, the entire country is affected by the results of the census and not always beneficially when you refuse to participate. At the very least fill out the number of people and the gender of the people living in your residence.
  • metta

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    Mar 21, 2010 4:33 PM GMT



    Queer the Census
    http://www.queerthecensus.org
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    Mar 21, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    dfrw said
    Additionally, the entire country is affected by the results of the census and not always beneficially when you refuse to participate. At the very least fill out the number of people and the gender of the people living in your residence.


    Yeah, so they can gerrymander electoral districts to bring us a new Republican majority? I'll take my chances...
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    Mar 21, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
    You're one of many I am sure.
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    Mar 21, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
    I still don't understand the purpose of the census and why it would even matter if there is a gay- straight- bi- etc- box to check.
    The census also asks for your Sex (Biological) not Gender (Cultural,) which means that you have to answer according to whichever sexual organ you currently posses.
    The race options are also really fucked... Japanese- Korean- Chinese- etc- are not races- even by American beliefs...icon_neutral.gif
    They should really just change it to nationality.
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    Mar 21, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
    Ok, one, the census doesn't count what political party your from.

    two, its your constitutional responsibility to fill out the census.

    three, if your not living with the guy, you're obviously not at a level you think is important enough, so why should you be counted together.

    four, the census has no reason to know if your a single straight or gay man.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 21, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
    To you guys who threw your census forms in the trash, This is very important for your community and your state because the new population numbers will be a major determining factor in how much government funding your state and city will recieve vs. other cities and states across the country. Technically, filling out the census forms is the law. So if you care about the future of your city and your state, fill out and send back your census form. Who cares if there is no separate designation for gays it is still very important to complete your census forms.