What's HGH (human growth hormone) and testosterone injection about?


  • Mar 21, 2010 2:12 PM GMT
    I've been seeing a lot of ads for HGH ( human growth hormone ) injections, they claim helps to maintain your youth. Also testosterone injections, to help build lean muscle. They claim they are legal and your doctor can prescribe them to you after a blood test. Anyone know anything about this treatment? icon_confused.gif
  • fitartistsf

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    Mar 21, 2010 6:09 PM GMT
    The injections of HGH are about the purest form you can get, acting faster than the orals (pills). But be warned... HGH is VERY, VERY, VERY expensive. As expensive, if not even more so, than the different injectible steroids...
    My trainer, who is an ex-competitive bodybuilder, now trainer/nutritionist, owning a Max Muscle supplement store, and in the bodybuilding/fitness business for almost 30 years, and VERY knowledgable about "ALL" aspects of supplementing training, was telling me recently, that HGH is produced in the pituitary glands as we grow during puberty, dictating our height, weight, muscle structure. (which I knew already from my own research) It is a measurable production. But as we grow older, HGH is not produced as much by the glands, almost stopping after the age of 40... it is recommended that young people UNDER 40 years of age DO NOT use HGH, because the body will think the amount of HGH taken, which may be a larger amount than produced naturally, will facilitate shut down of the glands producing HGH, in favor of the larger dosage administered from outside the body. If by chance the dosage from outside is then stopped for any reason, this can then have serious effects on the younger body. But after 40 years of age, and in a healthy, fit, adult, HGH has shown to bring back those physical qualities that we prize in the young. Skin clears up, muscle mass is increased, weight-loss is excellerated, certain aches caused by injuries, inflamation, etc., are diminished or stop occuring, the libido is restored, some examples of grey hair returning to original color, and wrinkles lessened.
    HGH is NOT a fountain of youth, but it has shown to be a reverser of some aging, and its problems, that has occurred...
    REMEMBER... HGH is NOT recommended for anyone UNDER the age of 40... since it can adversely affect the natural production of HGH from the pituitary glands as the youth grows naturally....
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    Mar 21, 2010 6:59 PM GMT
    Small stature has been categorized as a disease the days. Go figure. It's used all the time by folks of means to make their kids bigger, stronger, faster.

    Most folks don't have the money, nor the gene, for experiencing any problems with GH. Like testosterone, or thyroid, GH picks right up where it left off before the therapy. The guy above doesn't know what he's talking about.

    GH benefits, from all my years of reading on this, are over stated, but, so are any risks. The synthetic GH of today doesn't have any of the issues of cadaver GH.

    Testosterone has a LONG list of anti-aging, and health-promoting, benefits, and has been extensively studied. The endos have lobbied to get test off the controlled list, without success, but NO scientific organization has EVER recommended that test be controlled...ever...and no deaths have been attributed to use, or abuse, since the early 40s. It still remains a treatment of choice for the sickest of sick, and wasting disease. For levels above 1000, long term outcomes in HIV are REMARKABLY improved.

    You'll want to see a good anti-aging doctor, or a geriatric physician. A doctor who also knows sports medicine is good. Some doctors are fearful of the DEA getting into their practices. You have to walk away from those.

    There's lots of misinformation, but, there's also lots of good science to fight that misinformation.







    Many of my peers have been on anti-aging therapy, for years, and had very good outcomes.

    At 49, my cholesterol runs 130 to 160, I can hold my heart rate at 190 (my "maximal" is 171), my heart is in great shape, and I'm considered at 0 risk of a a stroke or heart attack. I had a full cardiac workup done in October. My PSA is a 0.4. I'm in my 35'th year of lifting. I take no pills...Notta'.

    I know a number of my friends who had low T, who are in their 30's, or even younger, who have have there T adjusted to 1000 or better for years. It makes a HUGE difference.

    Test, and GH, weren't controlled until 1991, so, many of us grew up with the stuff. Of course, are all those folks dieing from it? Nope. Quite the opposite.
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    Mar 22, 2010 5:56 PM GMT
    i am 6.5 years away from 40, so this isn't a question about now... but how much do the injections cost?

  • Mar 24, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    I,m trying to find out. How much are the injections? Anyone know? icon_question.gif
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Mar 24, 2010 3:02 AM GMT
    You have to admire people who look great, without a pill or injection.

    You really have to wonder, how do they do it.
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    Mar 24, 2010 3:15 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidi am 6.5 years away from 40, so this isn't a question about now... but how much do the injections cost?


    I took HGH injectable for about 6-months several years back. I took it at the direction of a specialist for a specific condition with strict supervision. Mind you I would have never taken it for the sole purpose of simply getting stronger.

    That said it was well over 5K per month and a large portion was paid by insurance. It did have all the positive affects that 'fitartistsf' states but there are other serious downsides to it.

    It's anyone choice but for me if it were a simple decision to use it to 'look better', 'be stronger' etc.. then i'd opt for putting your money into a lifestyle that affords you to workout, eat well and eliminate stress. 5K per month can go a long way....
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    Mar 24, 2010 3:20 AM GMT
    JW61 said
    dancerjack saidi am 6.5 years away from 40, so this isn't a question about now... but how much do the injections cost?


    I took HGH injectable for about 6-months several years back. I took it at the direction of a specialist for a specific condition with strict supervision. Mind you I would have never taken it for the sole purpose of simply getting stronger.

    That said it was well over 5K per month and a large portion was paid by insurance. It did have all the positive affects that 'fitartistsf' states but there are other serious downsides to it.

    It's anyone choice but for me if it were a simple decision to use it to 'look better', 'be stronger' etc.. then i'd opt for putting your money into a lifestyle that affords you to workout, eat well and eliminate stress. 5K per month can go a long way....


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    Mar 24, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    why thank you ;-)

  • Mar 24, 2010 8:42 PM GMT
    Anyone using HGH now ?icon_question.gif
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    Mar 24, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    jimmyx51 saidAnyone using HGH now ?icon_question.gif


    Yes, to try to heal a herniated disc.

    No improvement after 4 months' use. So not worth the expense in hindsight.

  • Mar 24, 2010 9:28 PM GMT
    Will anyone admit they're using HGH ?icon_question.gif
  • Anto

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    Mar 25, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    Another Fountain of Youth Runs Dry -- livescience.com

    "Yes, there may be benefits for older people, both tantalizing and immediate. That's why some are willing to shell out thousands of dollars for routine injections. Some people lose fat, gain strength and improve their stamina. The Stanford study confirmed this, noting an average loss of 4.6 pounds of fat mass and a similar increase in lean body mass for seniors in their late 60s and early 70s.

    The benefits sound oddly familiar-something that happens with exercise and a healthy diet, those mundane recommendations. Exercise would indeed be the wiser choice, the Stanford group said, finding no evidence to recommend hGH therapy
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    Growth hormone fuels cancer in mice, as reported by Karoly Szepeshazi of the Tulane School of Medicine in 2001 in the journal Endocrinology. Apparently, hGH triggers the release of another hormone, IGF-1, known to stimulate cancer growth later in life. This "smoking gun" animal study confirmed the cancer-causing hGH-IGF1 pathway seen in numerous in vitro experiments.

    There have been no human studies to document hGH's ability to extend life [2007 article]. In contrast, mice without growth hormone routinely live 30-50 percent longer than normal mice, and mice overproducing growth hormone live 30-50 percent shorter, according to Huber Warner of the National Institute on Aging. "


    Growth hormone
    -- en.wikipedia.org

    "A Stanford University School of Medicine survey of clinical studies on the subject published in early 2007 showed that the application of GH on healthy elderly patients increased muscle by about 2 kg and decreased body fat by the same amount. However, these were the only positive effects from taking GH. No other critical factors were affected, such as bone density, cholesterol levels, lipid measurements, maximal oxygen consumption, or any other factor that would indicate increased fitness. Researchers also did not discover any gain in muscle strength, which led them to believe that GH merely let the body store more water in the muscles rather than increase muscle growth. This would explain the increase in lean body mass."


    The referenced study:


    Systematic Review: The Safety and Efficacy of Growth Hormone in the Healthy Elderly
    -- healthpolicy.stanford.edu

    Persons treated with GH were significantly more likely to experience soft tissue edema, arthralgias, carpal tunnel syndrome, and gynecomastia and were somewhat more likely to experience the onset of diabetes mellitus and impaired fasting glucose.
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    "The literature published on randomized, controlled trials evaluating GH therapy in the healthy elderly is limited but suggests that it is associated with small changes in body composition and increased rates of adverse events. On the basis of this evidence, GH cannot be recommended as an antiaging therapy."

    No proof that growth hormone therapy makes you live longer, study finds--physorg.com

    'Those negative side effects included joint swelling and pain, carpal tunnel syndrome and a trend toward increased new diagnoses of diabetes or pre-diabetes. "You're paying a lot of money for a therapy that may have minimal or no benefit and yet has a potential for some serious side effects," Liu said. "You've got to really think about what this drug is doing for you."
    ...
    "These studies were designed to look at what happens when you give growth hormone to a healthy elderly person," said Liu. "For example, what happens to their bone density, to their exercise levels and to their exercise capacity."

    The researchers found that growth hormone had a modest effect on body composition, increasing lean body mass, or muscle, by slightly more than 2 kilograms and decreasing body fat by roughly the same amount.

    But, Liu said, "It did not change other clinically important outcomes, such as bone density measurements, cholesterol and lipid measurements, and maximal oxygen consumption." In short, the studies provided no real evidence that the therapy resulted in increased fitness.
    '

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    Mar 25, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    For guys, testosterone will make a much bigger difference than HGH.

    Many athletes use HGH for a limited period for injury recovery. That is what I used it for (unsuccessfully). I doubt that it has an effect beyond placebo for that unless you are for some reason deficient (as in the elderly).
  • Sparkycat

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    Mar 25, 2010 4:18 AM GMT
    Question for Chucky : When you say the synthetic GH does not have the issues of cadaver GH, are you saying it does not work as well or that it's better because of fewer side effects?


    chuckystud saidSmall stature has been categorized as a disease the days. Go figure. It's used all the time by folks of means to make their kids bigger, stronger, faster.

    Most folks don't have the money, nor the gene, for experiencing any problems with GH. Like testosterone, or thyroid, GH picks right up where it left off before the therapy. The guy above doesn't know what he's talking about.

    GH benefits, from all my years of reading on this, are over stated, but, so are any risks. The synthetic GH of today doesn't have any of the issues of cadaver GH.

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  • victor8

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    Mar 25, 2010 4:38 AM GMT
    RATHER THAT LOOKING FOR THE NEXT QUICK FIX...IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT @ 33.5 YRS OLD....STICKING TO A REALLY GREAT DIET RICH IN "CLEAN PROTIENS" VEGIES, WHOLE GRAINS, AND ANTI=OXIDENTS. TRAINING HARD AND SMART....AND DOING FUNTIONAL TRAINING IN ADDITION TO BODY BUILDING...YOU'LL HAVE VERY LITTLE TO WORRY ABOUT....YOU ALREADY WAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE AS FAR AS MUSCLE DEVELOPMENT...KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!
  • fitartistsf

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    Mar 26, 2010 12:57 AM GMT
    I just started using the pill form of HGH (not as high a dosage as the injectibles. Roughfully $75 (US) for a 30-day bottle) about 2 weeks ago, for joint pain and muscle strains in my right arm. But it is too soon to tell if there is any other "helpful" side affects yet....
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    Mar 29, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidFor guys, testosterone will make a much bigger difference than HGH.

    Many athletes use HGH for a limited period for injury recovery. That is what I used it for (unsuccessfully). I doubt that it has an effect beyond placebo for that unless you are for some reason deficient (as in the elderly).


    I'm on the same page with you, from everything I've watched over the years.
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    Mar 29, 2010 10:00 PM GMT
    Sparkycat saidQuestion for Chucky : When you say the synthetic GH does not have the issues of cadaver GH, are you saying it does not work as well or that it's better because of fewer side effects?


    chuckystud saidSmall stature has been categorized as a disease the days. Go figure. It's used all the time by folks of means to make their kids bigger, stronger, faster.

    Most folks don't have the money, nor the gene, for experiencing any problems with GH. Like testosterone, or thyroid, GH picks right up where it left off before the therapy. The guy above doesn't know what he's talking about.

    GH benefits, from all my years of reading on this, are over stated, but, so are any risks. The synthetic GH of today doesn't have any of the issues of cadaver GH.

    .


    There was a list of nasty stuff that could get transmitted by cadever GH.
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    Mar 29, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    fitartistsf saidI just started using the pill form of HGH (not as high a dosage as the injectibles. Roughfully $75 (US) for a 30-day bottle) about 2 weeks ago, for joint pain and muscle strains in my right arm. But it is too soon to tell if there is any other "helpful" side affects yet....


    Must be something else, most likely a scam. HGH does not survive digestion, which is why it needs to be injected.
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    Mar 30, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
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    fitartistsf saidI just started using the pill form of HGH (not as high a dosage as the injectibles. Roughfully $75 (US) for a 30-day bottle) about 2 weeks ago, for joint pain and muscle strains in my right arm. But it is too soon to tell if there is any other "helpful" side affects yet....


    Must be something else, most likely a scam. HGH does not survive digestion, which is why it needs to be injected.


    Since human growth hormone is destroyed by digestion, supplement makers came up with a new oral product, growth hormone releasers. When the amino acid arginine is given intravenously there is a brisk rise in serum growth hormone levels. Supplement makers started marketing oral arginine as a growth hormone releaser. The problem is that when arginine is given orally there is only a minimal elevation of growth hormone.
    http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hgh.html

    When arginine is given orally before exercise it actually attentuates the physiologic rise in growth hormone that occurs with exercise. icon_sad.gif
    http://journals.lww.com/co-clinicalnutrition/Abstract/2008/01000/Growth_hormone,_arginine_and_exercise.11.aspx

    Cadaveric growth hormone is associated with the prion that causes Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (Mad Cow Disease)
    http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Health/Creutzfeldt-Jakob-disease-in-pituitary-growth-hormone-recipients-in-the-United-States.html
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    Mar 30, 2010 1:52 AM GMT
    HGH is mainly indicated for HIV wasting and severe growth problems. There's a lot of debate among the medical community with its long term safety profile, effectiveness, and its ethical use. If you don't have the two above medical indications, the risks may outweigh the benefits. HGH may increase one's risk of cardiac remodeling, diabetes, arthritis, just to name a few. I would seriously think twice before using this product for aesthetic purposes because you may be placing yourself at greater health risks than you know.

    Testosterone replacement is different altogether. Under the correct medical supervision, it can be used safely and have positive results. Low levels of testosterone has been linked to bone weakening (ie osteopenia/osteoporosis), decreased libido/sex drive, low stamina, fatigue, and affecting one's mood. The gel produces better results by having a normal physiological level as if the body was naturally making it, while the injection has invariable blood results with its high peaks and lows. That's my 2 cents!
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    Mar 30, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    HGH and synthetic testosterone are the suck.

    a good physique is earned not injected.
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    Mar 31, 2010 7:26 AM GMT
    . I don't take HGH or other chemicals. Now, there are plenty of natural things I do take and supplements that help. I am not going to judge...you have to make that decision for your self. I am just happy that long term dedication pays off. I am not freaky big...but I am ripped, lean and I do have muscle!
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    Mar 31, 2010 7:34 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidi am 6.5 years away from 40, so this isn't a question about now... but how much do the injections cost?


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