Do you still support the Dems

  • Tiller66

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    Mar 22, 2010 7:08 AM GMT
    Now that the health care bill has passed the house if it passes the senete will those that voted for the Pres continue to support the Dems in the upcoming elections
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    Mar 22, 2010 9:39 AM GMT
    It's not a political party I support. It is whether or not the representative has the interests of his or her constituents in mind, even if he or she has to vote against his or her constituents wishes for the good of his or her constituents. If a representative can do that, I don't care what party he or she belongs.
  • Bunjamon

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    Mar 22, 2010 10:10 AM GMT
    I personally think this health bill is an important step towards bringing the US healthcare system into the 21st century and making it so even the poorest Americans have access to it. I believe the Democrats made a good move in passing this bill.

    While we're at it, though, "Senete?" icon_eek.gif
  • GQjock

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    Mar 22, 2010 10:23 AM GMT
    The Democrats had to pass this bill to have a fighting chance this coming election year
    To go into the midterms empty handed esp the way the republicans stalled and brought the Senate to a standstill
    people were fed up
    Now if they play this right and come up with popular policies within this bill
    They will be fine this November
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    Mar 22, 2010 11:52 AM GMT
    You bet I support the party - especially when they actually do something.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 22, 2010 12:05 PM GMT
    haters to the end of the line.

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    My favorite part of this whole thing in its current form is the political victory it entails. It does make me realize that we need more Democrats in Congress. I was considering withdrawing from the Democratic Party because of the lack of spine within the party leadership, but this passage not only shows a spine, but it shows how empty the Republican Party is on substance and how bad they dangerously want power back. More will have to be done on healthcare and more will have to be done in politics, but this moment is a cigar moment for me.
  • wave173

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    Mar 22, 2010 12:25 PM GMT
    I could never vote for a democrat again. I'd rather write in a candidate's name. Be prepared for increased healthcare costs. You would think if they care so much about the health of the American people and pre-existing conditions they would actually try to prevent illness and target prevention. Clearly this government doesn't care about avoiding the costs to begin with and prefers to spend and tax more. I'm sure a bipartisan congress would have made better legislation targeting eating healthy and exercising, making access to more fruits and vegetables and exercise easier. But again, look at the democrats in congress, the majority are overweight or obese.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 22, 2010 12:28 PM GMT
    Absolutely. They had the guts to stand up for what should have been done years ago!
    Of course, I would hope it would be a vote for a candidate, not just "democrat", but
    I'm damned glad they took the initiative to get what was done.. done. No more bullshit by some about congress not doing anything. If it was left to the republicans, this whole nation would be a quagmire.
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    Mar 22, 2010 12:37 PM GMT
    Yes. I think this is a first step. Hopefully, it will empower Dems to tackle other issues like financial reform, etc.
  • travelot

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    Mar 22, 2010 1:08 PM GMT
    Plain and simple. HELL NO! going to day to change my affiliation at the town hall. Not that that makes a difference but want no association with them at all.

    I could go on, but whats the point. You start small and add to the bill and or anything you undertake. You don't start with massive BS and than work out the overbearing, obstructive parts.



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    Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kudos to the president and Nancy!
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    Mar 22, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
    I hope Rush makes good on his promise and leave!
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    Mar 22, 2010 2:12 PM GMT
    There is something that has occurred to me repeatedly during these last months. This huge, messy, and frequently awful debate points out the vitality of the Democratic party and not its weakness.

    Of course, there is a maddening lack of party discipline. However, that lack of discipline points to the fact that there are real differences of opinion between people like Senator Franken and Representative Stupak. Furthermore, there is room enough for those differences to be trotted out and debated. At the end of the day, luckily, there is just enough cohesion to pass a meaningful piece of legislation (a beginning not really an end).

    This is not happening in the Republican Party, as David Frum has eloquently pointed out in this article http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

    One thing really stuck out when reading that article. It is so easy to fall into thinking that Sarah Palin, for example, is nothing more than a talk-radio phenomenon. It is actually really easy to forget that this woman was the Republican nominee to be the Vice President of the United States. That means that Republicans at the highest level considered Sarah Palin fit to be our President.

    What that shows is that the Republican party appears both remarkably cohesive and amazingly cynical. Why on Earth would she be there other than the fact that she appeals to a demographic and that demographic represents the power base of the party?

    For a while the Republicans have been so cynical that it doesn't matter if you're Barry Goldwater or even Alan Simpson. Views that differ from party doctrine are simply not welcome.

    Here is a quote from Time Magazine circa 1990 - "Look at the GOP as a 'big tent," said party chairman Lee Atwater. "Forget politics. Do and support what you truly, truly believe. We are an umbrella party."

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,969301,00.html#ixzz0iuhq9MIO

    Wow, how far is that from the Republican party that we saw yesterday? Those fine folks down on the lawn shouting NIGGER and FAGGOT, did they come from the "big tent" that Lee Atwater was describing? That was a scene that would have made George Wallace blush.

    Ah but, you can be certain that the spectacle we saw this weekend didn't give Sarah Palin and her compatriots a nano-second's pause for reflection. They love it, and they actually thrive on the chaos and discord.

    The mainstream Republican party is, apparently, well able to achieve impressive discipline when it comes to saying no. Who would dare say yes?

    However, the appearance that mainstream Republicans are calm, cool, collected, and in control is utterly deceiving. With the left hand they vote no and with the right hand they've opened Pandora's Box.

    The Democrats are divided, bickering, venal, often disingenuous, and sometimes criminal. That said, voting is a privilege and a choice. If that choice is between (for example) Senator Reid, Senator Grassley, and Sarah Palin the choice hardly seems difficult. I will choose the Democrat every time.

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    Mar 22, 2010 2:15 PM GMT
    Yes. More so than when the debates were going on.

    *This* is what I voted for. It's about freaking time something got done.
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    Mar 22, 2010 2:18 PM GMT
    "That means that Republicans at the highest level considered Sarah Palin fit to be our President. " - UrsaMajor

    Yes, but they don't speak for ALL republicans. HAHAHAHAHA!
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    Mar 22, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
    McGay said"That means that Republicans at the highest level considered Sarah Palin fit to be our President. " - UrsaMajor

    Yes, but they don't speak for ALL republicans. HAHAHAHAHA!


    Hey now, she's a symbol of good, wholesome, down to earth America... in a $5,000 5th avenue dress.
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    Mar 22, 2010 2:32 PM GMT
    wave173, when you said this, " You would think if they care so much about the health of the American people and pre-existing conditions they would actually try to prevent illness and target prevention. Clearly this government doesn't care about avoiding the costs to begin with and prefers to spend and tax more. I'm sure a bipartisan congress would have made better legislation targeting eating healthy and exercising, making access to more fruits and vegetables and exercise easier."

    A few things came to mind...

    "You would think if they care so much about the health of the American people and pre-existing conditions they would actually try to prevent illness and target prevention."

    They can't...without an ever increasing number of ill people your for profit heathcare system would no longer make geometrically increasing profits year after year like big business and their accountants want to see.


    " I'm sure a bipartisan congress would have made better legislation targeting eating healthy and exercising, making access to more fruits and vegetables and exercise easier."

    This is an astonishingly socialist concept that we don't have here in supposedly socialist Canada. Legislation forcing healthy diet and exercise? How would the gov't make access to more healthy foods easier? Taxes? Subsidies to growers and laws that they pass on the subsidies through all the middle men between the grower and the retailer? Tax refunds if you submit your food bills for government workers (they would have to hire many with ...more taxes) to analyze?


    The biggest and best thing I believe is to whittle away at private business's control of your health system. Education and preventative medicine are a lot more efficacious I think when big business isn't trying to manipulate them.

    -Doug

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    Mar 22, 2010 2:34 PM GMT
    Actually, I'm more inclined to vote for Democrats now than I was before.

    It's about time the United States of American caught up with the rest of the industrialized world on this issue. It was such an embarrassment before.
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    Mar 22, 2010 2:54 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks said
    McGay said"That means that Republicans at the highest level considered Sarah Palin fit to be our President. " - UrsaMajor

    Yes, but they don't speak for ALL republicans. HAHAHAHAHA!


    Hey now, she's a symbol of good, wholesome, down to earth America... in a $5,000 5th avenue dress.


    I think she's a symbol of STDs and unwed teen mother sluts.
  • Tiller66

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    Mar 23, 2010 8:29 AM GMT
    Well it's good to hear all views and sorry for spelling errors.As far as the idea of mandating healthy living I don't think that would go very well with most americans.I really think that forcing people what to eat and made to work out will be met with rebellion in a way no one can perdict.And the best way to encourage is with money by giving cash incentives for healthy choices many companies have already done this and in some cases when they are followed they have no health insurence costs at all from the plan they'er work place offers.Now some not even like this but to me it would seem the simplest answer,you can do these things and save money live better or not do them,send more money and maybe not live so healthy,at least it is your choice not someone telling you what to do.In the bill that has passed one hurdle there are something that were needed but the mandate to have to buy I don't like.