"Good Wins Over Evil, Period."

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    Mar 22, 2010 8:54 PM GMT
    "Anything that makes John Boener scream like the melting Wicked Witch is something I know instinctively must be a good thing. Yes, it's very trendy to say "it's not perfect," and "it's not everything we wanted," but the passage of the health care bill in the House yesterday is a bold step forward in the right direction and has provisions with real teeth and genuine progress. Just as importantly, it's a crushing defeat to those who continue to lie, bully, patronize and insult the people they claim to represent.

    Bipartisanship can kiss my ass. Seducing, pleasing and appeasing the current Republican Party is as interesting to me as lopping off an arm. These people have allowed themselves to be taken over by extremists, imbeciles, racists, fear-mongers and ignorant thugs. They choose circus politics over good policy, the popularity of the mediocre and incompetent over responsibility, intelligence and common sense. The Republican political bible begins with the god Karl Rove, exalts cartoon prophets like George W. Bush, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin, and demands its disciples receive communion from lunatic priests Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. The Right laughably and transparently throws around euphemistic bumper-sticker words like "small government" and "socialism" to thinly disguise their real agenda to relieve your conscience of any inconvenient feelings of responsibility toward your fellow humans.

    I'm sure there are real arguments to be made from genuine conservatives but this crowd is not making them. I have friends and family members who talk passionately and intelligently about their conservative point of view, and sometimes I even agree with them, but this party, right now, at this moment, isn't interested in intelligent debate. Watch any five minutes of Fox News and you'll smell the familiar and sickening whiff of indifference, intolerance and naked cruelty.

    Now take a look at the victors in yesterday's vote. What is their agenda? To provide health care to the people who don't have it, to prevent loss of coverage when you lose your job, to prevent the denial of coverage for preexisting conditions, to prevent your children from being denied coverage. Monsters, right? Un-American beasts! I'm sure you can understand why so-called protesters spewed racial, anti-Semitic and homophobic epithets at United States Congressmen on their way to vote for such "Nazi" legislation (yeah, the Nazis were really big on health care). These people aren't activists, they're a mob.

    Make no mistake, this isn't an argument between thoughtful people with opposing viewpoints. This is a fight between good and evil. Good won yesterday. But as in any epic story, the villain doesn't go down easily and these particular villains continue to be formidable. But today the heroes have a right to stand tall and proud."

    By: Michael Seitzman (03.22.2010)

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    Thanks Michael, its The Perfect Essay.
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    Mar 22, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
    The Republican party has dug itself into a very deep hole, and instead of owning up to their failures and incompetence, and putting forward some fresh new ideas designed to help middle and lower income Americans (instead of the richest 1-2%) - the Repubs are just digging theirselves into a deeper and deeper hole.
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    Mar 22, 2010 9:03 PM GMT
    I probably would have phrased it a little differently (Good vs. Evil), but
    I agree with the premise of the argument.
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    Mar 22, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe Republican party has dug itself into a very deep hole, and instead of owning up to their failures and incompetence, and putting forward some fresh new ideas designed to help middle and lower income Americans (instead of the richest 1-2%) - the Repubs are just digging theirselves into a deeper and deeper hole.

    I would like to think this is true. But I fear it may only be true for those who have some intellectual integrity. Or in modern America, just those who have some intellect at all would be exceptional.

    No, there is a rabble-rousing, Roman Coliseum blood lust that Republicans have latched onto, and indeed nurtured to a great degree. You may be underestimating its power over the reason & logic upon which your statement depends.

    In a Republican world, there is no deep hole at all: they have found their fanatical voice. Beware the November tsunami. "Bread & games" may well win over any logical arguments, however they may be presented.

    The "big lie" always wins, when shouted loudly enough, and long enough, as Josef Goebbels proved. This particular lie is that Democrats are bankrupting ordinary Americans, that only Republicans, despite their commitment to big business, will help the Middle Class. Facts are meaningless, when people ignore facts for slogans and TV spin. Attention spans are short, understanding shallow, fertile ground for Republicans.

    For your statement to work, Americans would need to understand more than they can, care more about their world than what they do, and pay attention more than they will. Your premise is commendable, but unrealistic.
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    Mar 23, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?
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    Mar 23, 2010 12:44 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?

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    Mar 23, 2010 12:49 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    Because they are. Period.
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    Mar 23, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?


    You're confused because you don't get it mate.. Independents don't care about party. We know there is scum in both, but at the same time we know there are good guys (and gals) who do care about the country. Sure they may have different ideas on how to improve the country, and they may disagree with each other but neither are evil, and both love the country.

    When they respect each other, work together exchanging ideas, and more importantly respect the constitution and the people of the country. Then everyone wins. Independents are above and beyond the silly Dems vs Reps game, and we vote for who is best fit to lead the country, and we pay attention to the people running.

    However on this site it seems the same old partisan people, make the vast generalizations about an entire party, that aren't all true or fair.. Most of them do this as if there are no problems within the "side" they hang on to... Making them a slave to a party or ideology...

    That's how I feel about it.

    I think that's basically what he's saying, which I agree with and have been noticing on here... Its boring.


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    Mar 23, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe Republican party has dug itself into a very deep hole, and instead of owning up to their failures and incompetence


    Give it time and lets see if this holds true on the flip-side!
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    Mar 23, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    JW61 said
    rickrick91 saidThe Republican party has dug itself into a very deep hole, and instead of owning up to their failures and incompetence


    Give it time and lets see if this holds true on the flip-side!


    Oh its happening. If you check out the polls both parties are very unpopular among the people. More so the Republicans, since people are still understandably angry with them, and have all right to. At the same time people are feeling the Democrats are failing them now, and things don't look too good for em in Nov, or 2012 if this keeps up.

    Which is why there are more independents in the country than Republicans, or Democrats now. Its the independents who make or break an election for someone.
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    Mar 23, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
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    Blackguy4you said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?


    You're confused because you don't get it mate..


    You are right I don't get it. Hence my question.

    Here is what I don't get perhaps you can be so kind to shed some light on my ignorance

    Southbeach claims to be independent, yet he in every post:

    Supports the Republicans lock step and barrel
    Shows his displeasure of democrats and the liberal world view
    Makes posts supporting the republicans
    Makes posts supporting the republican worldview
    Makes replies against anyone criticizing republicans or their policies

    Which part of this is being independent? This to me is someone who is a rabid republican. Unless of course inedependent has recently taken on a different meaning
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    Mar 23, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you said
    IHG84 said
    Blackguy4you said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?


    You're confused because you don't get it mate..


    You are right I don't get it. Hence my question.

    Here is what I don't get perhaps you can be so kind to shed some light on my ignorance

    Southbeach claims to be independent, yet he in every post:

    Supports the Republicans lock step and barrel
    Shows his displeasure of democrats and the liberal world view
    Makes posts supporting the republicans
    Makes posts supporting the republican worldview
    Makes replies against anyone criticizing republicans or their policies

    Which part of this is being independent? This to me is someone who is a rabid republican. Unless of course inedependent has recently taken on a different meaning



    Oh I understand what you're saying mate. But I think a lot of what he says is because of what a lot of the same old people on here do.. The same ol same ol "Republicans are evil" stuff.

    Also there are some people on here, and its the same people who I always see posting political stuff. Who are rabid democratic liberals, and closet socialist.

    I'll always see some post about what some Rep did, or said. Followed by statements from the same people who basically talk the same old boring crap "Republicans are evil"... I'm pretty sure he doesn't agree with EVERYTHING the Republicans do, or have done.. But I'm quite sure he don't think they're all evil like some of the other same old guys on here do.

    And yea he's going to defend that. If I saw people in here slamming the Democrats, and liberals constantly I'd defend against that, and let the people doing it know "don't talk the shit unless you clean up the shit in your own home"

    Some of you guys are way too partisan, and get overly nasty and disrespectful with each other, which makes ya look bad and nobody takes it seriously.
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    Mar 23, 2010 1:28 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!

    No less exciting than your own unremitting "Democrats are evil" topics. I do realize that after a while this mud slinging gets to be a bit old, especially to RJers outside the US.

    But ya know, sometimes there are universal human rights principles involved, not to mention gay rights principles, that are always my most intense area of personal focus.

    The US struggle for gay rights becomes a metaphor, if not a useful example, for the gay fight in other parts of the world. That's a subject upon which I never hear you speak.

    I never hear you speak about gay rights, about civil rights, about any human rights, except those of Republican and corporate interests. That more than your actual words tells me a great deal.

    I care about people; you appear to care about profit. I care about individuals; you appear to care about ideology. I care about mankind; you appear to care about multinationals.

    I was born & raised in that world, I know it better than you think, probably better than you yourself ever will. But I hope I grew, learned and evolved, discovering concepts like social responsibility and conscience. With time I hope you will, too.
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    Mar 23, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    "These people aren't activists, they're a mob."

    Right - that is the truth.
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    Mar 23, 2010 2:01 AM GMT
    Everyone will see just how good this bill is and then they will bitch about it to kingdom come because it doesn''t do what they had hoped.
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    Mar 23, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    I think we are going to have a mutiny over this with states refusing to participate. The kettle is getting hotter by the minute nowwith almost 70% of the country against this bill. Obama will be the biggest fool to sign a bill with such little support. I''ve never see anything good come out of a course of action where that many people oppose it.
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    Mar 23, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    Even if the bill were good, every good leader knows you have to have the support of the majority of the people behind it. Unless he can show and convince the country of its value and show that it will not cause a decline in the economy and will not create a staggering deficiit that we will never be able to dig ourselves out, you can't expect a bill to have any success with the majority of the people not supporting it.
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    Mar 23, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
    "hardon"guy and southbeach -
    You guys are delusional.
    (And 100% Republican)
    But I understand - last night was, of course, quite traumatic and disappointing for you.
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    Mar 23, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidIt makes you (and many others on here) very uncomfortable to be confronted with a challenge against your political idealogy and to be reminded that approximately 50% of the rest of the USA does NOT agree with you.

    You are correct. Half or maybe more of the US doesn't agree with us gays and our Democratic supporters on the issues that most matter to gays. I therefore wonder why you are allied with that anti-gay half?
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    Mar 23, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
    hardonguy saidI think we are going to have a mutiny over this with states refusing to participate. The kettle is getting hotter by the minute nowwith almost 70% of the country against this bill. Obama will be the biggest fool to sign a bill with such little support. I''ve never see anything good come out of a course of action where that many people oppose it.

    Where do you get this 70% figure? Not FOX News I hope? Who is really heating this "kettle?" The people themselves, or is the fire being unscrupulously fired by Republicans for their own political purposes?

    And what have you "seen" in your brief life that brings any relevance to this discussion? Did you see the Civil Rights legislation of the early 1960s, as I did, that others had predicted would tear the US apart? Did you see, as my parents did, Social Security being enacted in the 1930s, against Republican opposition and claims that the country was about to fail as a result?

    Please. If you had even the slightest knowledge of US history, you would know better. Right-wingers like you have opposed every beneficial social advance this country has ever seen. The only things they have succeeded in bringing about have been recessions and hard times for ordinary people. That's a matter of factual history.
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    Mar 23, 2010 3:09 AM GMT
    nv7_ said
    Blackguy4you said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?

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    oh, yes he did.
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    Mar 23, 2010 10:34 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    Look in reality it's only a matter of time until the pendulum swings in the opposite direction, and he who laughs first laughs last.
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    Mar 23, 2010 10:39 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    Look in reality it's only a matter of time until the pendulum swings in the opposite direction, and he who laughs first laughs last.


    Yeah but this time
    Given that we nearly lost the entire world economy
    We have been cast into two wars that caused hundreds of thousands of deaths
    I'd say that that pendulum has Hit Us in the Head
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    Mar 23, 2010 11:53 AM GMT
    I couldn't agree with this more.

    IHG84 said
    Blackguy4you said
    southbeach1500 saidHere's another "Republicans are evil" topic. How exciting!


    I'm confused.... are you not supposed to be an Independent?


    You're confused because you don't get it mate.. Independents don't care about party. We know there is scum in both, but at the same time we know there are good guys (and gals) who do care about the country. Sure they may have different ideas on how to improve the country, and they may disagree with each other but neither are evil, and both love the country.

    When they respect each other, work together exchanging ideas, and more importantly respect the constitution and the people of the country. Then everyone wins. Independents are above and beyond the silly Dems vs Reps game, and we vote for who is best fit to lead the country, and we pay attention to the people running.

    However on this site it seems the same old partisan people, make the vast generalizations about an entire party, that aren't all true or fair.. Most of them do this as if there are no problems within the "side" they hang on to... Making them a slave to a party or ideology...

    That's how I feel about it.

    I think that's basically what he's saying, which I agree with and have been noticing on here... Its boring.


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    Mar 23, 2010 12:05 PM GMT