GOP Senators Refusing To Work Past 2PM: Invoking Obscure Rule

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    Mar 24, 2010 7:16 PM GMT
    Senate Republicans fuming over the passage of health care reform are now refusing to work past 2 p.m. -- a tactic they can employ by invoking a little-known Senate rule.

    On Wednesday, the Judiciary Committee was forced to cancel a hearing as was the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) tweeted today : "Disappointed. Rs refusing to allow hearings today. Had to cancel my oversight hearing on police training contracts in Afghanistan."

    Sen. Mark Udall also complained that he had to delay a hearing on the cause of Western forest fires.

    Making good on Sen. John McCain's threat to withhold all Republican cooperation from Democrats in the Senate in retribution for the majority party using reconciliation to pass health care reform, the GOP used the rule that states committees can only meet when the chamber is in session with the unanimous consent of all members. That consent has almost never been withheld -- until now.

    Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) asked for consent for his panel to operate Wednesday afternoon. He noted, ironically, that his request had the support of McCain.

    "There is objection on our side of the aisle and therefore I object," said Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.).

    The GOP objection blocked testimony from Admiral Robert Willard, United States Navy Commander of the U.S. Pacific Command; from General Kevin Chilton, United States Air Force, Commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, and from General Walter Sharp, United States Army Commander, U.S. Forces Korea.

    For his part, Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) was livid when his committee was forced to delay consideration of several judicial nominees.

    "I have accommodated requests from Judiciary Committee Republicans to delay the Committee's hearing to consider Professor Liu's nomination," Leahy said.

    He continued: "For months, Senate Republicans have resisted efforts to enact important reforms to our health insurance system. But when the dust settles and the emotions are calmed, history will show that President Obama and this Congress responded to a pressing national issue, and proved once again that we can act with the purpose of advancing an important national interest. Sadly, actions like today's objections from Senate Republicans to the consideration of a highly qualified, historic nominee will be viewed as little more than petty, partisan politics."

    Jim Manley, a spokesperson for Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), objected to the objection. "For a second straight day, Republicans are using tricks to shut down several key Senate committees. So let me get this straight: in retaliation for our efforts to have an up-or-down vote to improve health care reform, Republicans are blocking an Armed Services committee hearing to discuss critical national security issues among other committee meetings? These political games and obstruction have to stop -- the American people expect and deserve better."

    Without unanimous consent, committees are allowed to meet for two hours following the opening of the Senate session -- which on Wednesday was 9:00 a.m. The committees need consent to continue and consent again to continue after 2:00 p.m. Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, had his hearing shut down abruptly at 11:00 Wednesday morning, in the middle of a discussion on the effort to end veteran homelessness in the next five years. It is estimated that more than 100,000 veterans are homeless in the United States on any given night.

    "The Senate should be a place for debate, but I cannot imagine how shutting down a hearing on helping homeless veterans has any part of the debate on the health insurance reform," said Akaka. "I am deeply disappointed that my colleagues chose to hinder our common work to help end veteran homelessness."

    Committee meetings were also canceled on Tuesday, but as the result of a behind-the-scenes threat, rather than an on-the-floor objection. One meeting that was shut down even dealt with transparency in government. The Executive Director of the Sunlight Foundation, Ellen Miller was cut off during the hearing.

    By: Ryan Grimm (03.24.2010)

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    "Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or "...conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour..."

    How are these disruptions of the government's important business NOT a conspiracy to overthrow the current government?

    GOP TREASON!

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    Mar 24, 2010 7:20 PM GMT
    somebody should get fired for refusing to do their job
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    Mar 24, 2010 7:23 PM GMT
    Remember back in '94 when Newt Gingrich et al. with their Contract with America came to Congress. They refused to approve government spending bills to show they were tough on gov't spending and it shut down the gov't. That tactic blew up in their face. The people saw it as an inability to govern.

    This will do the same.
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    Mar 24, 2010 7:39 PM GMT
    Yeah. They're working so hard for the American people. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:07 PM GMT
    Kudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:10 PM GMT
    More proof neither side is without sin............
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
    I just made a nice hot pot of tea; no teabags.
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
    Who knew that Republicans were such drama queens? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.


    Are you high? That is the complete opposite of what has been happening. I have never seen a presidential administration go further out of it's way to try and engage folks across the aisle. If I was Obama, I would have taken my super-majority and told the Republicans to get bent. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
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    Caslon14000 saidRemember back in '94 when Newt Gingrich et al. with their Contract with America came to Congress. They refused to approve government spending bills to show they were tough on gov't spending and it shut down the gov't. That tactic blew up in their face. The people saw it as an inability to govern.

    This will do the same.


    Not surprisingly, I view it differently.

    The Republican's taking control of Congress saved Clinton's presidency and resulted in the budget surpluses during his second term.



    Not exactly. The budget surplus was due to the higher tax rate along with Prsident Clinton's downsizing of the military by closing U.S. military bases around the world to conserve costs during peacetime.
  • rnch

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    Mar 24, 2010 10:23 PM GMT
    c'mon guys, a little perspective here, please...

    if the parties and situation was reversed....if the democrats were trying to take advantage of this obscure rule...would this thread even be here?

    c'mon now....... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
    why the fuck don't these idiots stop behaving like children and get on with doing the people's business?!? Who does their annual reviews?

    And if the democrats were doing this - i would expect a thread to be made about it as well. And my comment about doing the people's business would stand.
  • EricLA

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    Mar 24, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
    Really? Not working past 2pm? That should be REALLY popular with hard-working middle class Americans who don't have the luxury of "obscure rules" to not do the work they don't want to do.
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.


    Are you high? That is the complete opposite of what has been happening. I have never seen a presidential administration go further out of it's way to try and engage folks across the aisle. If I was Obama, I would have taken my super-majority and told the Republicans to get bent. icon_rolleyes.gif


    If Obama and the Democrats were as unbipartisan ( for lack of a better term) as you say, then they would have gotten about 3 times as many bills passed as they have, so save me that bullshit line.

    Edit: Not aimed at Christian, just blockquoted the wrong post
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
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    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.


    Are you high? That is the complete opposite of what has been happening. I have never seen a presidential administration go further out of it's way to try and engage folks across the aisle. If I was Obama, I would have taken my super-majority and told the Republicans to get bent. icon_rolleyes.gif


    To kiss my ass or suck my dick!
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.


    Are you high? That is the complete opposite of what has been happening. I have never seen a presidential administration go further out of it's way to try and engage folks across the aisle. If I was Obama, I would have taken my super-majority and told the Republicans to get bent. icon_rolleyes.gif


    To kiss my ass or suck my dick!


    You're so dirty. *giggles* icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.


    You on Crack? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Or have you have you been in a coma for the last 8 years?
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
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    Republicans just need time to get over it. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 24, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
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    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have. Hopefully the GOP stops the corrupt Democrats until they are willing to work across the aisle. The objective of a democracy is to have a congress that represents all Americans, not just the democrats.


    You on Crack? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Or have you have you been in a coma for the last 8 years?


    Look at his profile, paying close attention to a couple of the pics. It tells you all you need to know.
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    wave173 saidKudos to the GOP. Maybe if the democrats would be willing to work in a bipartisan and transparent fashion, then we could have a functional government again that stops spending money we do not have...

    I BEG YOUR PARDON? Are you totally delusional? The Party of No is not the cause of non-partisanship in Washington? The Democrats make compromises, on promises of Republican support, and Republicans still all vote 100% in lock step against Democratic legislation. And I also fault Democrats, for falling for these Republican tricks. It's like in the comic strip Peanuts, when Lucy always promised Charley Brown she'd hold the football for him to kick, and always pulled it away at the last moment, so he ended on his ass.

    And which Party and Administration turned a budget surplus into a deep deficit? Amazing how deficit spending was OK when a Republican was in the White House, but shocking now.

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    coolarmydude saiddrama-queen~s600x600.jpg


    Republicans just need time to get over it. icon_wink.gif


    Have the gays left of CA gotten over the fact the voters said yes to prop8?
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    Do you like your tea with lemon or Milk?
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    I hear Pattison.

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    coolarmydude saidI hear Pattison.

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    Clicks and grunts?
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    B787 saidSenate Republicans fuming over the passage of health care reform are now refusing to work past 2 p.m. -- a tactic they can employ by invoking a little-known Senate rule.

    On Wednesday, the Judiciary Committee was forced to cancel a hearing as was the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) tweeted today : "Disappointed. Rs refusing to allow hearings today. Had to cancel my oversight hearing on police training contracts in Afghanistan."

    Sen. Mark Udall also complained that he had to delay a hearing on the cause of Western forest fires.

    Making good on Sen. John McCain's threat to withhold all Republican cooperation from Democrats in the Senate in retribution for the majority party using reconciliation to pass health care reform, the GOP used the rule that states committees can only meet when the chamber is in session with the unanimous consent of all members. That consent has almost never been withheld -- until now.

    Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) asked for consent for his panel to operate Wednesday afternoon. He noted, ironically, that his request had the support of McCain.

    "There is objection on our side of the aisle and therefore I object," said Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.).

    The GOP objection blocked testimony from Admiral Robert Willard, United States Navy Commander of the U.S. Pacific Command; from General Kevin Chilton, United States Air Force, Commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, and from General Walter Sharp, United States Army Commander, U.S. Forces Korea.

    For his part, Judiciary Chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) was livid when his committee was forced to delay consideration of several judicial nominees.

    "I have accommodated requests from Judiciary Committee Republicans to delay the Committee's hearing to consider Professor Liu's nomination," Leahy said.

    He continued: "For months, Senate Republicans have resisted efforts to enact important reforms to our health insurance system. But when the dust settles and the emotions are calmed, history will show that President Obama and this Congress responded to a pressing national issue, and proved once again that we can act with the purpose of advancing an important national interest. Sadly, actions like today's objections from Senate Republicans to the consideration of a highly qualified, historic nominee will be viewed as little more than petty, partisan politics."

    Jim Manley, a spokesperson for Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), objected to the objection. "For a second straight day, Republicans are using tricks to shut down several key Senate committees. So let me get this straight: in retaliation for our efforts to have an up-or-down vote to improve health care reform, Republicans are blocking an Armed Services committee hearing to discuss critical national security issues among other committee meetings? These political games and obstruction have to stop -- the American people expect and deserve better."

    Without unanimous consent, committees are allowed to meet for two hours following the opening of the Senate session -- which on Wednesday was 9:00 a.m. The committees need consent to continue and consent again to continue after 2:00 p.m. Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Chairman of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, had his hearing shut down abruptly at 11:00 Wednesday morning, in the middle of a discussion on the effort to end veteran homelessness in the next five years. It is estimated that more than 100,000 veterans are homeless in the United States on any given night.

    "The Senate should be a place for debate, but I cannot imagine how shutting down a hearing on helping homeless veterans has any part of the debate on the health insurance reform," said Akaka. "I am deeply disappointed that my colleagues chose to hinder our common work to help end veteran homelessness."

    Committee meetings were also canceled on Tuesday, but as the result of a behind-the-scenes threat, rather than an on-the-floor objection. One meeting that was shut down even dealt with transparency in government. The Executive Director of the Sunlight Foundation, Ellen Miller was cut off during the hearing.

    By: Ryan Grimm (03.24.2010)

    * * *

    "Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or "...conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour..."

    How are these disruptions of the government's important business NOT a conspiracy to overthrow the current government?

    GOP TREASON!



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