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    Mar 25, 2010 5:08 AM GMT
    I hate those words.

    Wbu?
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    Mar 25, 2010 11:49 AM GMT
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    Mar 25, 2010 1:36 PM GMT
    shan37 saidI hate those words.

    Wbu?


    I agree. A better, but much more difficult to answer, question is "what does the Bible mean when it says _____?" And even then there is still debate because the "true meaning" or "original intent" is often lost in translation (not to sound cliche).
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    Mar 25, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
    HungGarSig said
    shan37 saidI hate those words.

    Wbu?


    I agree. A better, but much more difficult to answer, question is "what does the Bible mean when it says _____?" And even then there is still debate because the "true meaning" or "original intent" is often lost in translation (not to sound cliche).


    It's not that the true meaning is simply lost. Many current translations of the Bible are the result of blatant mistranslations by translators who replace what was actually said with what he thinks it meant in English. Just adding and subtracting from the Bible all over the place.

    "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." - Revelations

    I'm surprised that verse is actually still in the Bible, as damning as it is to biased translators.
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    Mar 25, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
    Dragoonxi said
    HungGarSig said
    shan37 saidI hate those words.

    Wbu?


    I agree. A better, but much more difficult to answer, question is "what does the Bible mean when it says _____?" And even then there is still debate because the "true meaning" or "original intent" is often lost in translation (not to sound cliche).


    It's not that the true meaning is simply lost. Many current translations of the Bible are the result of blatant mistranslations by translators who replace what was actually said with what he thinks it meant in English. Just adding and subtracting from the Bible all over the place.

    "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." - Revelations

    I'm surprised that verse is actually still in the Bible, as damning as it is to biased translators.


    Absolutely. The difficulty with translation is that it is almost impossible to convey the same sense of the original language and, when dealing with old languages and ancient manuscript traditions, arguments over whether or not to include "spurious" verses. Though it may sound or seem cynical, almost every translation (of the Bible and other ancient texts too) contains some kind of motivation outside of just the intention to render an accurate text in a new language.
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    Mar 25, 2010 1:57 PM GMT
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    Mar 25, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    Dragoonxi saidIt's not that the true meaning is simply lost. Many current translations of the Bible are the result of blatant mistranslations by translators who replace what was actually said with what he thinks it meant in English. Just adding and subtracting from the Bible all over the place.

    "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." - Revelations

    I'm surprised that verse is actually still in the Bible, as damning as it is to biased translators.
    Actually that was written because scribes in those days were notoriously bad and inconsistent and people in general (especially) christian converts were very poor and illiterate .. people of the time joked about the reliability of copyists/scribes .. Ironically, the text of the book of Revelations is the most corrupted in the popular Codex Sinaiticus:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus#Impact_on_biblical_scholarshipIn the Book of Revelation, however, its text is corrupted and is considered of poor quality,

    see http://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060738170 for a detailed explanation of these things.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156

    The authors of those various texts no more knew that their works would be translated than aristotle knew about computers .. it was about "copying" the text, not translating it.
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    Mar 25, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    if any of you get a chance to read shelby spong's "rescuing the bible from fundamentalism," do it. it is a great read.

    one major point of his, and one of the final nails in the coffin of my finally doing away with my evangelical brainwashing, is that fundamentalists are guilty of viewing their interpretation of scripture as just as inspired as the scripture itself.

    most fundies read the NIV or some other easy-to-read english translation. and that translation (which is equal parts translation AND interpretation) is based on manuscripts that are hundreds of years removed from the fact. when i was at the bible college, we talked about believing in the inerrancy of scripture in the original manuscripts. in other words, your average fundy, including the guy in the pulpit and the various self-proclaimed "preachers of the word," has little or no idea what the original texts actually say.

    so the typical literalist fundamentalist then reads their "inspired" english translated and interpreted bible and takes what it says at an arbitrarily face value, and then defends their conclusions from those readings as "the inspired word of god." and presto, their interpretation becomes as inspired as the bible itself.

    i have no problem with the bible being sacred writ, and having some truly amazing things to say and a truly remarkable history (especially the old testament), but to say whatever i glean from it is as much inspired as if it had come directly from god's mouth, is arrogance and flatly wrong.
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    Mar 25, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    Of the bible, there is one line I absolutely know is true- "Placed by The Gideons." After that it is pretty much all downhill for me.
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    Mar 25, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
    Ah the Bible, great book. A little slow and dry I'm more of a Robert Jordan fan. I'd give it a 3 on a 1-10 scale. A point for ease of reading as most of its Fans are barely literate. 1 point looks, lots of collectible covers and jackets, that’s nice if your into that. And a point for longevity, Its been around longer than Rap music granted rap is more realalistic and or plausible. A solid 3.
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    Mar 25, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
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    Mar 25, 2010 8:11 PM GMT
    Bible is so full of shit. All those fag haters just want to make themselves feel better. And they do that by targetting others. First it was women, then black people, now us. They generate hatred by targeting a group that is different from them. Don't get me wrong I do believe in god but bible just pisses me off. Sorry.
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    Mar 25, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
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    Mar 25, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
    Blatant mistranslations of Biblical texts are no excuse for their enforcement.
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    Mar 25, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
    danisnotstr8 saidBlatant mistranslations of Biblical texts are no excuse for their enforcement.


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    Mar 25, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    shan37 saidBible is so full of shit. All those fag haters just want to make themselves feel better. And they do that by targetting others. First it was women, then black people, now us. They generate hatred by targeting a group that is different from them. Don't get me wrong I do believe in god but bible just pisses me off. Sorry.


    I understand where you are coming from, but I think your anger is definitely misplaced. Rather than say that the Bible is full of shit, it's the people who misuse it that are.

    The Bible stands as a cultural artifact that documents the history, myths, laws, and customs of people who lived nearly three thousand years ago (two thousand for the New Testament) in places and conditions that differed vastly from generation to generation and certainly much different from what we experience today.

    I am truly sorry for the pain that assholes who purport to speak the "word/will" of God have caused you. Far too often do they focus on the verses that talk about condemnation and "forget" that there in fact exists so many wonderful stories of filial piety and heroism, such beautiful lines of poetry, both religious (Psalms) and erotic (Songs of Solomon).

    The Bible has so much within its covers that is beautiful literature, that can be inspiring (think of the wonderful art that came from the Renaissance), that can compel people to do genuinely good things for one another. Don't let the Pat Robertsons of the world allow their hateful message to turn you away.
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    Mar 25, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFunny how people put so much validity on what the bible says. Stories 'passed' down for thousands of years and accepted as truth. It's all unprovable hoopla that people stupidly accept. I have no use for it whatsoever.


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    Mar 25, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    Yeah ... the Bible says a lot of things
    So does the Book of Narnia That doesn't make either of them true

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    Mar 25, 2010 10:43 PM GMT
    I like to ask all those who run the Bible down, for example, saying that is full of shit, etc.
    Have you actually READ the Bible and studied it thoroughly? Have you read books written by eminent authors to help you understand the Bible better?
    If not, then you are no different to that of a child who says "Yuk" when served food he had never tasted (and for the record, I'm guilty of this too).
    The Bible is more than having a lot of truth in it. It IS truth.
    Jesus Christ quoted Scripture many times, often to the Pharisees by beginning with the question, "Have you ever read...?" and "You do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God."
    The Apostles too, accepted the Scriptures as truth and authority. Great men like Peter and Paul, as well as Jesus Christ himself, accepted the historicity of Adam and Eve as well as the Noachian Deluge as fact.
    I have read and studied the Bible for over 37 years. That is before many of you were even born. I can testify of it being inerrant. Difficult to understand, yes at times. But still faultless.
    I have visited Jerusalem several times in my life. The first visit was way back in 1976. I have looked around Israel thoroughly. This has opened my eyes to the reality of the Bible's origin. I have mingled with Orthodox Jews as well as watched them observe the Sabbath once again, the introduction of the ancient Shekel for currency, the use of the Hebrew language, as well as visiting sites the Bible describes with unerring accuracy. Most important, there are many passages in the Old Testament which prophesied that the Jews will return to their homeland in the last days, and we are seeing this being fulfilled now.
    Finally, I can testify that regular Bible reading has raised my IQ.
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    Mar 25, 2010 10:52 PM GMT

    For what reason should I read the bible? I tried, but all that begat shit in the beginning, pages and pages of it made me weep with what-the-fuckness, like who cares? You know what I mean? So, I went to the red words toward the middle and end and thought, yeah, no shit, big fucking deal. Then, I read The Exorcist and got excited about reading. I really did try to read parts of the bible. I have no reason to study it. The parts I did read were utter shit. Would you keep reading something that you thought was utter shit? I don't think you would, but, maybe you would.
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    Mar 25, 2010 10:55 PM GMT
    Finally, I can testify that regular Bible reading has raised my IQ.

    Frankly, you'd have done just as well with a set of Encyclopedia Britannica
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    Mar 25, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    GQjock saidFinally, I can testify that regular Bible reading has raised my IQ.

    Frankly, you'd have done just as well with a set of Encyclopedia Britannica


    You might be overestimating things.
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    Mar 25, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
    Ok then ......

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    Mar 25, 2010 11:32 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYeah ... the Bible says a lot of things
    So does the Book of Narnia That doesn't make either of them true

    Blood from Wine?
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    well I was thinking about Lord of the Rings, ACTUALLY!! it holds great wisdom

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    Mar 25, 2010 11:38 PM GMT
    Hate it. The Bible is a violent, vile book of violence and social degradation.