I hate loading

  • crewdude1

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    Mar 26, 2010 4:08 AM GMT
    I just started taking creatine for the first time and am finishing up day three of the loading phase. I've been taking five doses, 5 grams a dose per day. I was planning on doing this for two more days (for five days total) before going into the maintenance phase. The thing is, I feel like crap. I've had the runs on and off for the past few days, been feeling a little queasy, bloated, and have had to pee like every 20 minutes or so which has really gotten old. I know some guys don't load at all but I think then it is supposed to take a ridiculous amount of time for the muscles to become saturated - something like 4 to 6 weeks? Should I just suck it up for a couple more days or cut it short and move straight on to maintenance? I was originally planning on cycling - something like 6 weeks on and 2 weeks off - but I gotta tell ya, the idea of loading for five days every two months or so is not appealing to me much right now. Maybe it won't be so bad next time because my stomach will be used to it?

    Any thoughts or advice from those of you who have been through this before?
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    Mar 26, 2010 6:16 AM GMT
    Creatine loading is a myth created by supplement companies to make you buy more creatine. I usually recommend taking it before your workouts and/or immediately after.

    If you take it before your workout, your muscles will utilize the creatine during your workout. If you take it after your workout, it will replenish the creatine you just spent. In either case, you should mix it with some type of fruit juice. Or other sugary drink.

    When I first tried creatine, I tried loading too. Got real gassy and bloated. Also got a lot of muscle cramps. Even though creatine draws water into your muscle fibers, it dehydrates the rest of your body. I couldn't handle the cramps any more. So I cut my consumption to before/after my gym workouts, and things got better. I was less bloated looking. And the cramps went away.

    I currently use an N.O. supplement that contains creatine. So I don't take a separate creatine supplement anymore. Things are still good.
  • crewdude1

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    Mar 26, 2010 11:00 AM GMT
    Hey man, thanks for your thoughts. I'm going to take your advice and skip the loading (twist my arm icon_wink.gif ). Should I still cycle even though i won't be loading any more? What are your thoughts on that?
  • TexanMan82

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    Mar 26, 2010 5:22 PM GMT
    What rich said. Loading is unnecessary. I don't bother cycling either. Just take it everyday I train.
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    Mar 26, 2010 6:48 PM GMT
    crewdude1 saidHey man, thanks for your thoughts. I'm going to take your advice and skip the loading (twist my arm icon_wink.gif ). Should I still cycle even though i won't be loading any more? What are your thoughts on that?

    Some people respond to creatine better than others. You may want to experiment and see if cycling gives you the desired results. But lots of guys don't cycle and they seem to be doing ok.

    I cycle my NO supplement every other week. If I don't, then I tend to put on weight too quickly and it kills my running. Plus, I'm trying to save some money. Can't afford to buy supplements that often. icon_wink.gif
  • crewdude1

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    Mar 27, 2010 2:27 PM GMT
    Okay guys, thanks for your thoughts. I only took two doses yesterday and felt muuuuuuch better. icon_smile.gif As far as cycling, I think I'll just take it regularly for six weeks and see how I feel about it then.

    Thanks again.
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    Mar 28, 2010 2:04 AM GMT
    If you're currently supplementing with creatine monohydrate, you could try using creatine ethyl ester instead.
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    Mar 28, 2010 2:27 AM GMT
    Just another vote of support for xrichx, who I almost always agree with.

    Scratch that.

    I always agree with him, come to think of it.

    Creatine loading is complete bullshit.

    And personally, I don't like the stuff. It's basically a mechanism for retaining water, and it never did squat for me except made me lose all definition and look smooth and blobby. It does that to most guys I know that try it, but they all seem to like it cause they're "bigger." To each his own.
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    Mar 28, 2010 2:02 PM GMT
    Take it with about a cup of white grape juice.

    It will be taken up better (absorbed by your body) and you won't feel as queasy. I found it helpful to take a bit before and the rest after my workout.
    Taking it after your workout replaces what you used up.

    My personal trainer told me about doing it this way and it made a HUGE difference.

    The stuff works .. you just don't need as much as the manufacturers say that you do. It's kinda like the instructions on a shampoo bottle.
    Wet hair, shampoo, rinse ... "and repeat"?

    Not. lol

    Keep us posted.
  • crewdude1

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    Mar 29, 2010 12:19 AM GMT
    Thanks for the tip Boston Nugget. I just got a jug of white grape juice so I'm definitely giving that a try icon_smile.gif
  • Celticmusl

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    Mar 29, 2010 12:28 AM GMT
    If you're having any negative side effects.....and I do mean any.... you should switch to Kre-Alkalyn:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/kre.html


    Or Glycocyamine:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/glyco.html


    From what I understand, if you're getting the awful digestive issues that I get from creatine, you're one of the many folks that can't really digest creatine that well. Either of these two products might make it possible to gain muscle on creatine without the side effects.
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    Mar 29, 2010 2:42 AM GMT
    skip the loading.


    ever take Gaspari's Size On that you mix with water and drink during your workout. I have been on it for almost a year and half with great results
  • crewdude1

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    Apr 03, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    Thanks for the suggestion, Celtic. I actually stopped taking creatine altogether since I was still having problems with just a regular daily dose after my workouts, so I might try the Kre-Alkalyn. Or Gaspari Size On (Thanks Rujock for that suggestion). Or both (not at the same time). I think I'm done with straight creatine though.
  • crewdude1

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    Apr 03, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    Rujock, i read up a little on Size On and it sounds like it is mostly creatine. Since I had problems with straight creatine, should I still try this out you think?
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    Apr 03, 2010 3:21 AM GMT
    I might get attacked for saying this, but I threw my creatine supplements away after reading about the potential effects to your kidneys. If your body is responding to something in a terrible way, why take it in mass quantities icon_question.gif

    did you say diarrhea?

    http://www.nutritionalsupplements.com/workgnc.html

    hope this helps. decide for yourself, I am no scientist. I have resolved that it is "potentially harmful" since there seems to be alot of debate about whether it is or not, and that is enough for me!
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    Apr 03, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    oh... I thought you meant hay or manure, or something else that's really unpleasant to shovel on to the truck.
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    Apr 03, 2010 4:04 AM GMT
    crewdude1 said been feeling a little queasy, bloated, and have had to pee like every 20 minutes or so which has really gotten old. I



    ummm.....that seems less of a problem about creatine loading than a problem about running quickly without shoes to get to the dr.

    sounds to me like u gotta go to the glove snapping doctor to get a finger up yo ass and check for prostate issues.....ceerruslay.....that aint normalicon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 03, 2010 4:04 AM GMT
    xuaerb saidI might get attacked for saying this, but I threw my creatine supplements away after reading about the potential effects to your kidneys.


    Yep, my doctor insisted I stop taking it after two rounds of blood/urine work showed my creatinine levels fucked up.

    The stuff turned my face into a facsimile of a full moon, anyway.

  • crewdude1

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    Apr 03, 2010 12:10 PM GMT
    joshnyc said
    crewdude1 said been feeling a little queasy, bloated, and have had to pee like every 20 minutes or so which has really gotten old. I



    ummm.....that seems less of a problem about creatine loading than a problem about running quickly without shoes to get to the dr.

    sounds to me like u gotta go to the glove snapping doctor to get a finger up yo ass and check for prostate issues.....ceerruslay.....that aint normalicon_neutral.gif


    Thanks for the concern but I actually got my annual physical less than a month ago (about two weeks before I started taking creatine) including a prostate exam and blood work and passed with flying colors. And since I've stopped taking it, everything has gone back to normal.
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    Apr 03, 2010 10:28 PM GMT
    crewdude1 saidRujock, i read up a little on Size On and it sounds like it is mostly creatine. Since I had problems with straight creatine, should I still try this out you think?



    try it out for a month or so and see what happens. They want you to drink intraworkout so be prepared to sip alot during your workout..about 24-32oz
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    Apr 03, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    another kudos for this weight training thread...much appreciated, fellas
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    Apr 15, 2010 12:33 PM GMT
    I have used Creatine in the past and think it's a great supp. Not everyone gets on with it though. I never bothered with a loading phase as I read that after a week of being on it your muscles would be saturated with it just the same as if you'd done a loading phase.

    I have recently got a bottle of Creatine Ethyl Ester (CEE) tablets and am going to try them as of today. It's 3 tabs pre-workout, and 3 post, with 6 on non-workout days, all at once.

    Hope I don't get any side effects, just more energy to lift more and get bigger!
  • twentyfourhou...

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    Apr 15, 2010 1:40 PM GMT
    I had used creatine regularly for about 3 years. I stopped it about 14 months then restarted two weeks ago. I agree with others about the loading phase. When i stopped it after long term use, i had big issues with general fatigue setting in. Apparently this is something that can happen to long term users. It took about 3-4 weeks to resolve. On the good side, i quickly lost about 10 pounds! My most recent pics reflects the smaller size and lower weight without creatine. Well, i restarted it two weeks ago along with whey protein. Wow! I forgot how much more engery i have for my workouts with this stuff. My recovery time between workouts has improved, even my joints do not seem to bother me as much. I quickly packed on 5 pounds of fluid but that is the trade-off. One week ago i added a Nitric Oxide Booster ((Force Factor) to this supplemental regimen. I have never done this and will be interested in the results. I will likely post some pics about a month from now - hopefully, there will be a noticeable difference - especially since all this crap will cost about $90/month!
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    Apr 15, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    [quote]I forgot how much more engery i have for my workouts with this stuff. My recovery time between workouts has improved, even my joints do not seem to bother me as much.
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    I agree with this. Detractors of creatine say all it does is bloat you out with fluid, but I find that I definitely do not have as much muscle soreness after hard workouts, and recovery is much quicker. I really do feel like I am stronger too.