Hemotest?

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    Mar 26, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    Hey Guys -

    One of my friends started taking a "natural testosterone booster" called hemotest -

    I'm dubious of the claims of this product and was wondering if anyone had experience with it here

    good? bad? useless? side effects?

    the website for it is here:
    http://www.nutrabolics.com/products/hemotest.html

    thanks!
    -Tommy
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    Mar 27, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    I would NOT TOUCH THIS WITH A 100 FOOT TOUNGE!

    Boosting testosterone is kind of impossible to do without side effects because of the bodies way of maintaining hemostasis (natural regulation). It requires messing with a whole bunch of enzymes and organs that you realy dont want to fuck up!

    One thing to know right off is that synthetic testosterone and natural testosterone ARE EXACTLY THE SAME! "Steroids" are just synthetic testosterone with other chemical groups attached to slow their metabolism by the liver. This is why they are BAD for the liver!

    If you increase it by taking a supplement...ie steroid...then the body knows there is more than needed and slows down Lydig cells in the male testis. When they shut down they die and DO NOT grow back! ...testis shrinkage and other bad things happen then

    This company claims that the supplement stimulates the testis to make more testosterone. What they dont tell you is that your body regulates that production by negative feedback. (The testosterone product binds to enzymes and inactivates them so the chemical reaction (biosynthesis of testosterone) slows down. When that testosterone is needed and used then the enzyme starts working again).

    Im pretty sure this supplement wouldn't do anything good...but feel free to check for independent research that shows otherwise! Im looking and If I find some I will post it

    PS SORRY FOR THE RANT...Just adding some knowledge icon_smile.gif
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    Mar 27, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    Since you are studying medicine and are pursuing research, can you expound a bit more on what you mean by:

    "If you increase it by taking a supplement...ie steroid...then the body knows there is more than needed and slows down Lydig cells in the male testis. When they shut down they die and DO NOT grow back! ...testis shrinkage and other bad things happen then"

    For example, exactly what do you mean when one statement says when there is more testosterone than needed is causes the Lydig cells to SLOW down and then turn around and make the statement, "when they SHUT down they die and do not grow back?"

    Would it be more accurate to say that when the Lydig cells slow down and the artificial source is not withdrawn, they COULD POTENTIALLY shut down and never grow back?

    What happens in HRT? Why would it seem so beneficial if undertaking it caused the issues you describe?

    I'm not vouching for the efficacy of HEMOTEST (I personally think most supplements of that type promise WAY more than they proclaim to deliver which I think is really wrong and misleading) but seems like discouraging him from trying it ONCE, seems a bit alarmist.
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    Mar 27, 2010 8:38 AM GMT
    What happens in HRT? Why would it seem so beneficial if undertaking it caused the issues you describe?

    HRT hasn't actually been studied long term in men.
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    Mar 27, 2010 12:06 PM GMT
    Using herbal supplements like Eurycoma Longifolia, Tribulus Terrestris and the mineral supplement ZMA may elevate the testosterone levels. Tribulus is one of the most popular ingredients in supplements for bodybuilding, clinical support to back up its claims is still lacking. (from The Health Professional's Guide to Dietary Supplements..Talbot and Hughes)

    Tribulus and Longofilia are components of Hemotest


    Besides the herbal testosterone boosters, there are the two prescription medications Nolvadex (tamoxifen) and hCG which are used by anabolic steroid users to raise testosterone levels. Anabolic steroids, like Adamite890 mentions, suppress the production of LH (luteinizing hormone) and FSH by the pituitary gland which is located in the brain. LH is necessary for the production of testosterone by the Leydig cells in the testes. Without LH, the testes will shrink. These two boosters will help the Leydig cells to recover and start producing testosterone again; once the bodybuilder has completed his steroid cycle.

    HRT is to be prescribed only to individuals that are testosterone deficient. Physicians are not as concerned about suppressing the Leydig cells in aging men with testosterone deficiency, since the Leydig cells are already dysfunctional and not producing adequate amounts of testosterone.

    Suppressing the Leydig cells in a young male can cause problems with fertility if he wishes to father a child. Erectile dysfunction can also occur if the Leydig cells are suppressed.icon_sad.gif

    I was unable to find any information about herbal supplements causing suppression of the Leydig cells like anabolic steroids and excessive testosterone usage can.
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    Mar 28, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Shortnsexystud saidSince you are studying medicine and are pursuing research, can you expound a bit more on what you mean by:

    "If you increase it by taking a supplement...ie steroid...then the body knows there is more than needed and slows down Lydig cells in the male testis. When they shut down they die and DO NOT grow back! ...testis shrinkage and other bad things happen then"

    For example, exactly what do you mean when one statement says when there is more testosterone than needed is causes the Lydig cells to SLOW down and then turn around and make the statement, "when they SHUT down they die and do not grow back?"

    Would it be more accurate to say that when the Lydig cells slow down and the artificial source is not withdrawn, they COULD POTENTIALLY shut down and never grow back?

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    Yup, I can totaly elaborate on this and sorry for any confusion!!

    The Lydig cells produce testosterone. When you add supplemented testosterone (steroids are one form) then the negative feedback system slows down the Lydig cells reactions to synthesize testosterone. As their activity slows down...the individual takes more testosterone supplement for weeks or months on end...some cells begin dying. It can lead to a cascading effect if a lot is taken for extended periods of time. When I say things like "could and potentially" I mean that the concentrations have to reach some threshold....and this varies from person to person and depending on the dosage consumed. IF the threshold is reached these cells die.

    I think DarkNight did a pretty complete job of explaining HRT so see above for that explanation.
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    Mar 29, 2010 6:27 AM GMT
    Well thank for sharing your information with everyone. It would be interesting to know that these "thresholds" were approximately (since they vary by person) and if the side effects of steroids are any more likely to occur than extended use of many other drugs, prescription or not. We already KNOW alcohol and tobacco have the definite potential to kill when used for extended periods and in sufficient amounts. Yet no one really makes an effort to ban those substances for their long term health dangers.

    I totally agree that steroids used in ABUSIVE amounts over many years are likely to cause health issues but so can drinking, smoking, meth, coke, sleeping pills, pain killers, etc. Even aspirin can cause death when taken in sufficient amounts! (OMG, aspirin MUST be banned!). I just personally feel steroids get a bad rap because people have associated deaths of bodybuilders to their use, mental lapses of certain athletes, etc., JUST BECAUSE they are bigger and more muscular than the average person. There are no studies that prove this. There are even no studies of bodybuilders that use for years and compete at a high level of any health issues soley attributed to their use of AAS. Sure Arnold my have heart and kidney problems and MAYBE (and most likely) they are from his years of steroid use but we don't KNOW this. How will we ever since they are considered controlled substances and thereby eliminate the possibility of doing any long term studies because they would be illegal to administer or illegal for subjects to admit using.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate the use of any of these things but we shouldn't vilify people who choose to use them nor judge them for it simply because we believe they cause problems due to an observation that is made simply based on the fact they are more muscular than most of us so therefore it must be the steroids. Last time I checked, the likes of Franco Columbo, Frank Zane, Bob Paris, Sergio Olivia, Lou Ferrigno, Gary Strydom, Matt Mendenhall and many other body builders from the 70's and 80's are still alive and well with no health issues at all.

    Sorry for the rant but if the OP wants to try Hemotest he should have the right to because it's his body and there is nothing to PROVE that Hemotest will harm him in any way. I'll get off my soapbox now icon_lol.gif
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    Mar 29, 2010 12:06 PM GMT
    Thanks to everyone for their replies - based on what I've read above I'm not going to touch the stuff! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 10, 2010 11:26 AM GMT
    Bigcrewguy08 saidI would NOT TOUCH THIS WITH A 100 FOOT TOUNGE!
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    shut the fuck up you loser read up on it first he doesn't have to take 2 needles in the ass or actual steroids.Thanks for not helping at all glad your medical background paid off teaching you to research products or actually reading questions.
    (http://www.themanschoice.com/HEMOTEST.html )

    P.S helps in the bed to
  • JeremyTesta

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    Nov 17, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    Just tried p-boost after reading some reviews about it. Worked good but pretty pricey. The trial was free but you have to pay for the shipping which was quick. Anyone know any coupon codes for p-boost.com?