YOUR FAVORITE RJ DIES

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    Jan 23, 2008 3:01 AM GMT
    In the wake of Heith Ledger's death and the insuing debates that have broken out all over Real Jock, I have to ponder the question: What does death really mean to these people? It's more than some headliner in US magazine, folks.

    So now, your favorite real jock goes off on a bender, gets wasted and falls out of a twenty story window to his....death. How does that make you feel? He was gay, not some pampered IT boy that just played a gay guy once.

    I was inspired to write this forum for all the people who have an issue with the Ledger postings. Perhaps you feel that the buzz is too great for one man none of us know. And, your favorite Real Jock, you may not know him completley, but you know enough (profile stats are so explicit, LOL)and such a senseless death, he didn't even drink.

    For me, MonsterMuscle is my RealJock IT boy, surely that isn't a secret.His hulkish frame has inspired me on here since day one. If I learned news of his untimely demise, maybe I wouldn't break down and cry (eventhough I would), I can guarantee i'd commemorate his death by thinking of him 200 times a day instead of the current, 100 times a day.

    Ok, so what does death mean to you and how exactly do you feel about the Ledger postings?
  • ShawnTX

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    Jan 23, 2008 3:28 AM GMT
    For me, death is just the next step we take on our very long journey of experience and learning. When someone close to me dies, it's still hard, but I know they're not 'gone' and will always be near enough when I need them.

    Last year I had 8 deaths in my family, which affected me so strongly, I'm still recovering from them and will probably be recovering from them for a very long time. I'm definately not the same person I was at the beginning of 2007.

    I can be touched emotionally over the death of someone I've never met but respected to some degree. I will always remember where I was when I found out that Versace was killed, when Princess Diana died, when all those brave souls lost their lives on 9/11, and when hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. Every year television stations commemorate these events with documentaries, that for the most part, are tastefully done. I cry for these people and their families. I don't think it's over-reacting, or meaningless to do so.

    Spike Lee made an excellent documentary that I tell everyone about called 'When The Levies Broke'. It's about 4 hours long, and I've watched it 4 or 5 times. In fact, when I'm surfing the tv and come across it, I'll drop everything and watch it. I watch it and I shed a few tears everytime. I watch it because I don't want to forget these people, I don't want anyone to forget these people, because it was such a tragedy and because the way it was handled was an even worse tradgedy. I don't want to forget that.
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    Jan 23, 2008 4:48 AM GMT
    RIP Keith Ledger icon_smile.gif
  • Artesin

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    Jan 23, 2008 4:51 AM GMT
    If it was an online friendship and nothing more then I can say that no one would fit that category. Sure I would probably say that sucks but I can't see myself dwelling on it. I suppose that my way of thinking seems somewhat selfish but it's merely a way of protecting myself : P.
  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 23, 2008 6:50 AM GMT
    Heath Ledger please.. not Keith Ledger.

    When somebody leave RJ is like a death to that person and a departure of a good friend. Maybe you have not been here long enough to know some great personality that use to grace Real Jock. People like NYC4MUSCLE, MASCOJOCK,SKIP,RUNE and a few other unforgetable jock. Just like a real demise of a friend or family member, life has to go on....until its our turn to go.
  • dfrourke

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    Jan 23, 2008 6:56 AM GMT
    Well, I think death in general is sorta harsh and final...I don't particularly care for it if I do say so my self...

    ...that being said...it is a part of life...and I will need to reconcile with my beliefs and that reality someday...most of my close friends and family are still alive which probably is why I have a distaste for leaving this existence...

    ...I haven't read one Heath Ledger posting on here except this one...his passing is unfortunate...probably tragic...and certainly a shock when I became aware...however, I didn't know the man...didn't see most of his films [although I did enjoy his performance in Brokeback and look forward to the next Batman]...and amazingly, this will be news for a few weeks and the world will move on...much like most of our passings will be...doesn't mean we wont be thought of from time to time...but it is a reminder that our time on the planet is fairly short...

    Nothing lasts forever...

    - David
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    Jan 23, 2008 7:16 AM GMT
    Death is... unknown for me.

    I'm atheist, so I don't hold much hopes about an afterlife, but I do believe that surely something will survive the physical. So yeah, I may be agnostic. LOL

    Nevertheless, if ANYONE with the brains, looks, talent, or etc. suddenly passes away, I usually get depressed about it.
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    Jan 23, 2008 8:37 AM GMT
    Here's what I believe...

    Any death, regardless of who, how or why diminishes us all. All life is connected. All life is sacred.

    As far as the Heath Ledger "debates"... I think some of the things that have been said are callous, uncaring, and completely disrespectful of the fact that a human being has died. Regardless of whether he was a famous actor or a sewer cleaner, he was a human and should be afforded a bit of respect, and all speculation about the circumstances of his death should wait until the autopsy reports are released.

    Death is not something that frightens me. At my birth, I was given up for dead while they tried to resuscitate my mom since they'd lost her pulse. The moment her heart started beating again, I took my first breath... and immediately screamed. In the early 80s, I lost so many of my close friends to AIDS related illness... at times it seemed everyone was dying all at once... and a few of them died in my arms. When I overdosed 23 years ago, I was clinically dead three times before the ordeal was over. Death does not frighten me... it is the passage from this existance to the next. It is as sacred as life and no death is of any more or less importance than any other.

    RIP Heath... another bright light, extinguished too soon.
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    Jan 23, 2008 12:14 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear, you ask how you would feel if one of the RJ guys died. I just started posting on RJ recently. Have made a few nice acquaintances. I was a regular on Men's Health before this where I can actually say I made a lot of good online friends.

    Some I've talked to on the phone and even visited with. But most I only know from posting. What would be the saddest thing to me would be that if any one of them passed away, you probably wouldn't even know it. It's not like their next of kin wouldn't be logging into their RJ account and announcing it. They would just disappear and you might only notice their absence after not seeing a post for a couple weeks.

    Death makes me realize you have to appreciate people while they are here. You never know when they will be taken away or will disappear which might be more likely the case online.
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    Jan 23, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear saidIn the wake of Keith Ledger's death and the insuing debates that have broken out all over Real Jock, I have to ponder the question: What does death really mean to these people? It's more than some headliner in US magazine, folks.

    So now, your favorite real jock goes off on a bender, gets wasted and falls out of a twenty story window to his....death. How does that make you feel? He was gay, not some pampered IT boy that just played a gay guy once.

    I was inspired to write this forum for all the people who have an issue with the Ledger postings. Perhaps you feel that the buzz is too great for one man none of us know. And, your favorite Real Jock, you may not know him completley, but you know enough (profile stats are so explicit, LOL)and such a senseless death, he didn't even drink.

    For me, MonsterMuscle is my RealJock IT boy, surely that isn't a secret.His hulkish frame has inspired me on here since day one. If I learned news of his untimely demise, maybe I wouldn't break down and cry (eventhough I would), I can guarantee i'd commemorate his death by thinking of him 200 times a day instead of the current, 100 times a day.

    Ok, so what does death mean to you and how exactly do you feel about the Ledger postings?


    Keith Ledger didn't die. Heath Ledger died.
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    Jan 23, 2008 4:24 PM GMT


    and YOU are still around, lucky us.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 23, 2008 4:29 PM GMT
    Though none of knew this guy, it just feels like such a tragedy in the most general of senses. So young, so beautiful, so talented, by all accounts a fabulous soul - what a waste.

    He will now doubtless morph into legend, a la James Dean. Forever young, forever beautiful, forever shrouded in myth and mystery...
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    Jan 23, 2008 4:38 PM GMT
    I think you would be sad, you would pass comment maybe even contemplate shortly and then move on with life.

    Hopefuly one day out of the blue you would think "heck that reminds me of what [insert deceased member] once said and that made a lasting impression on me.

    To me that is all any of us can hope for when we move on to the great blue yonder, become worm food or re enter the genetic pool whatever you subscribe too
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    Jan 23, 2008 5:57 PM GMT
    Seative14; I am also an atheist but spiritual.... (odd combo but real)
    and have had some very provocative experiences at the time of the death and just afterwards of people close to me that cause me to question the concept of soul and spirit and look at life in a bigger sense. If you would like the details, please write me in private.
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    Jan 26, 2008 3:08 AM GMT
    I thought this post was gonna be about what you would do if your favorite RJ member died...

    if Zdrew died...I'd cut him open and crawl inside and pretend to be him, and hook up with some of the dudes who want to do him...until he started to stink...then I'd throw him into nicensmoothla's backyard where he'd be standing naked doing yardwork and he'd be like "WTF?" but it would be too late cause I would already be five houses away, running through backyards a la Ferris Beuller, singing Danke Schoene (or however you spell it).

    Then I would go back to my Zdrew's house and take all of his underwear, even though I don't usually wear underwear, and I'd use all of his undies to build one of those road side shrines that mexican people build to commemorate dead people with...all the while crying and pulling at my hair and ripping my clothes and wailing with that high pitched sound women in the middle east make when someone dies...you know, it's like "blalalalalalalalalala"

    thats what I would do...
  • ShawnTX

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    Jan 26, 2008 3:10 AM GMT
    ROFLMAO!!!
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    Jan 26, 2008 4:02 AM GMT
    KIETH PLEDGER DIED! OH MY GOD!
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    Jan 26, 2008 4:10 AM GMT
    You know, the last time I got upset over a celebrity death, Judy Garland had just died. (Of course, she wasn't really a celebrity, more like a GOD DAMN GOD.) Um hmm, any way, I threw on my wig and heels and rushed over to the local gay bar where the police were just about to conduct a raid, and well, you all know the rest of THAT story. So I tell you, you just have to be real careful about the way you handle these celebrity deaths!
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    Jan 26, 2008 7:06 PM GMT
    Im just glad it was not jake gyllenhaal.

    Damn. Now where did I put the tape and chloroform..
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    Jan 28, 2008 8:38 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidI thought this post was gonna be about what you would do if your favorite RJ member died...

    if Zdrew died...I'd cut him open and crawl inside and pretend to be him, and hook up with some of the dudes who want to do him...until he started to stink...then I'd throw him into nicensmoothla's backyard where he'd be standing naked doing yardwork and he'd be like "WTF?" but it would be too late cause I would already be five houses away, running through backyards a la Ferris Beuller, singing Danke Schoene (or however you spell it).

    Then I would go back to my Zdrew's house and take all of his underwear, even though I don't usually wear underwear, and I'd use all of his undies to build one of those road side shrines that mexican people build to commemorate dead people with...all the while crying and pulling at my hair and ripping my clothes and wailing with that high pitched sound women in the middle east make when someone dies...you know, it's like "blalalalalalalalalala"

    thats what I would do...


    Oh God! I haven't laughed so hard in...days!
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    Jan 28, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidI thought this post was gonna be about what you would do if your favorite RJ member died...

    if Zdrew died...I'd cut him open and crawl inside and pretend to be him, and hook up with some of the dudes who want to do him...until he started to stink...then I'd throw him into nicensmoothla's backyard where he'd be standing naked doing yardwork and he'd be like "WTF?" but it would be too late cause I would already be five houses away, running through backyards a la Ferris Beuller, singing Danke Schoene (or however you spell it).

    Then I would go back to my Zdrew's house and take all of his underwear, even though I don't usually wear underwear, and I'd use all of his undies to build one of those road side shrines that mexican people build to commemorate dead people with...all the while crying and pulling at my hair and ripping my clothes and wailing with that high pitched sound women in the middle east make when someone dies...you know, it's like "blalalalalalalalalala"

    thats what I would do...



    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! Hot damn!
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    Jan 28, 2008 8:48 PM GMT
    I was kinda afraid it would creep you out...lol
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    Jan 28, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidI was kinda afraid it would creep you out...lol


    Well...that depends. You wouldn't be putting out (putting me out???) to just anybody, right? Cuz I'd like to think that even dead, I would have some standards.

    And if a select handful of guys around here just up and disappeared, I'd be distraught with boredom.