Someone Actually Emailed Me About Donating Money

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    Mar 28, 2010 5:30 AM GMT
    A nice gesture, but he never answered my email reply. In fact, it's still unopened from March 26. No surprise. Anyway, I do an AIDS walk tomorrow, and it's well after 1 AM here, when I should be asleep, my partner having just scolded me, and ordered me to join him in bed. We have to staff a booth tomorrow at dawn, and then I do the walk, too, I think at 10.

    Fortunately I had a lot of local friends donate to me (it goes to HIV/AIDS, not to me personally). I had no expectation that anyone on this site would donate on my behalf. Why should I be surprised? A bunch of selfish fucks, who slam me for what I do on behalf of our gay and HIV/AIDS community, yet do nothing themselves.

    This is why our gay community has no influence, neither politically nor socially. If we can't even support our own for the cause of HIV/AIDS, then we might as well hide in the closet, as I suspect half the guys here do, despite their brave online words. Ya know, I raise money and do many activities for our community; what exactly do any of you do?

    Sorry, I'm angry, at the lack of support for the gay community by the RJ guys here. Well, OK, fine. I can do it on my own, along with my partner.

    But don't anyone here ever criticize me about anything anymore. I mean not even the way I part my hair. If you can't help our gay community, I don't want to hear anything you have to say about anything, period. Don't criticize me, don't confront me, don't even speak to me. If you have no gay credentials I respect, you are nothing to me but a lot of hot air. And that is what I have learned from this AIDS fundraiser.
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    Mar 28, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    If I had a nice job I'd donate. But I don't so I can't, but I hope you have fun and realize you're being a productive member of our community!

    Hugz
  • Celticmusl

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    Mar 28, 2010 6:02 PM GMT
    I can understand your frustration but yeah, RJ may not be a good place to get "community support". As you said, a great many of the members are closeted, not aware of the issues, and are still ashamed to even be in league with other gays. Hell, some are even Republicans and support politicians that routinely vote against gay rights!

    Having said that, luckily I have a friend who does a lot of organizing for fund raisers for both gay issues and cancer/health issues. He gets me involved routinely which I appreciate. I attend or work a fund raiser event a couple of times a month. I am also unemployed to an extent, as someone else notated in his response, so it gives me some time(if I have the gas money that week) to help out the cause and to actually make some possible contacts for a job.

    I guess it's fine to call a few people out on their lack of community support, but I don't think it is entirely true that we are all "selfish fucks". Believe me, I will never win a "selfless bastard" award, but I try to do my best and also keep informed of the issues.
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    Mar 28, 2010 6:52 PM GMT
    Isn't it possible the guy just hasn't checked his messages yet?

    With regard to gay causes, lately I'm not really sure which "community" we're supporting. Is it the gay guys who ignore each other at clubs? Or the ones who just want to hookup and move on to someone else in the morning?

    Secondly, I'd like to know where the money for HIV causes is going. Is it going towards actually curing HIV or more towards prevention and everything else that's been tried for the past 25 years, because the latter is a losing battle. Few people today are totally ignorant about HIV. Just as few people are ignorant about smoking, drugs, etc., but people still continue to engage in reckless behavior.

    I would much rather donate to ecological causes and ensuring that we still have a planet and ecosystem for generations to come, than try to get every human in our ever-growing population to act responsibly. Yesterday I watched three people throw their plastic cups into a normal trash bin, even though the recycling can was right beside it. HIV won't matter, if we destroy the only planet we live on.
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    Mar 28, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
    It's a sad, but true, paradox that many "gay rights" campaigners are campaigning for gay people to reach a state whereby they no longer need to caqmpaign.

    As for the HIV connection, that's an extension of the same story.

    I don't know the answer to your question (er, was there one?) because it's a very, very, very, very complex one.

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    Mar 28, 2010 7:49 PM GMT
    How/when/if people choose to donate money to charitable causes is really none of anyone else's business. Getting pissed at people you don't know/have never met over this would be rather pointless. Who's to say they don't donate lots of time/energy/money to other charities that are more local and serve a more local need?

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    Mar 28, 2010 7:49 PM GMT
    A lot more negative slamming from Mr. Vespa. "Selfish fucks?" Nice. In a recent thread, you indicated you hate the French - no matter who they are. How nice. As a Frenchman who just returned from 3 weeks helping the poor in Haiti (on my own dime btw) with a lot of other docs doing the same, it seems pathetic to come home (half dead and tired) to read more negative crap from a besotted Floridan. We go down there and live on cots among flies and death everywhere, working to help the sick and injured to have a decent life. I know R.J. is not a perfect utopia, but it seems damned irresponsible to call us "selfish fucks" and to say you hate the French (or any other nationality.) These cracks say so much more about you, Mr. Vespa, than you'd care to imagine.
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    Mar 28, 2010 7:51 PM GMT
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    Mar 28, 2010 8:17 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidA nice gesture, but he never answered my email reply. In fact, it's still unopened from March 26. No surprise. Anyway, I do an AIDS walk tomorrow, and it's well after 1 AM here, when I should be asleep, my partner having just scolded me, and ordered me to join him in bed. We have to staff a booth tomorrow at dawn, and then I do the walk, too, I think at 10.

    Fortunately I had a lot of local friends donate to me (it goes to HIV/AIDS, not to me personally). I had no expectation that anyone on this site would donate on my behalf. Why should I be surprised? A bunch of selfish fucks, who slam me for what I do on behalf of our gay and HIV/AIDS community, yet do nothing themselves.

    This is why our gay community has no influence, neither politically nor socially. If we can't even support our own for the cause of HIV/AIDS, then we might as well hide in the closet, as I suspect half the guys here do, despite their brave online words. Ya know, I raise money and do many activities for our community; what exactly do any of you do?

    Sorry, I'm angry, at the lack of support for the gay community by the RJ guys here. Well, OK, fine. I can do it on my own, along with my partner.

    But don't anyone here ever criticize me about anything anymore. I mean not even the way I part my hair. If you can't help our gay community, I don't want to hear anything you have to say about anything, period. Don't criticize me, don't confront me, don't even speak to me. If you have no gay credentials I respect, you are nothing to me but a lot of hot air. And that is what I have learned from this AIDS fundraiser.


    We don't have much money; struggling here, but, we do try to put forth care issues that help the general population, work on diabetes research, and we actively speak to our local representatives, and call out bad folks.
  • myklet1

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    Mar 28, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
    CAJock753 saidA lot more negative slamming from Mr. Vespa. "Selfless fucks?" Nice. In a recent thread, you indicated you hate the French - no matter who they are. How nice. As a Frenchman who just returned from 3 weeks helping the poor in Haiti (on my own dime btw) with a lot of other docs doing the same, it seems pathetic to come home (half dead and tired) to read more negative crap from a besotted Floridan. We go down there and live on cots among flies and death everywhere, working to help the sick and injured to have a decent life. I know R.J. is not a perfect utopia, but it seems damned irresponsible to call us "selfless fucks" and to say you hate the French (or any other nationality.) These cracks say so much more about you, Mr. Vespa, than you'd care to imagine.


    Very, very well put, and thank you for helping the people of Haiti. You did this truly from your heart. We all have the right to choose where we put our own services. The important part is that everyone put a foot forth to help someone in need.

    Thanks again for you commitment

  • Hunter9

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    Mar 28, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    on behalf of the gay community, thank you thank you thank you for all the great things you do... nobody else does anything to help anybody else, and thus you and your partner are caring the load of hundreds, if not thousands. and because of the all the selfless work you do, how dare anybody ever disagree, criticize, or otherwise act negatively towards you or your opinions because of all the benevolence that you have towards others.

    gimme a break... i thought the attention-seeking ended in middle school
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    Mar 28, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    If I had extra money to donate, I would to. But when my income isn't even enough to pay current bills, I am not able to do so. But I do help out in the community for a lot of things.
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    Mar 28, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidA nice gesture, but he never answered my email reply. In fact, it's still unopened from March 26. No surprise. Anyway, I do an AIDS walk tomorrow, and it's well after 1 AM here, when I should be asleep, my partner having just scolded me, and ordered me to join him in bed. We have to staff a booth tomorrow at dawn, and then I do the walk, too, I think at 10.

    Fortunately I had a lot of local friends donate to me (it goes to HIV/AIDS, not to me personally). I had no expectation that anyone on this site would donate on my behalf. Why should I be surprised? A bunch of selfish fucks, who slam me for what I do on behalf of our gay and HIV/AIDS community, yet do nothing themselves.

    This is why our gay community has no influence, neither politically nor socially. If we can't even support our own for the cause of HIV/AIDS, then we might as well hide in the closet, as I suspect half the guys here do, despite their brave online words. Ya know, I raise money and do many activities for our community; what exactly do any of you do?

    Sorry, I'm angry, at the lack of support for the gay community by the RJ guys here. Well, OK, fine. I can do it on my own, along with my partner.

    But don't anyone here ever criticize me about anything anymore. I mean not even the way I part my hair. If you can't help our gay community, I don't want to hear anything you have to say about anything, period. Don't criticize me, don't confront me, don't even speak to me. If you have no gay credentials I respect, you are nothing to me but a lot of hot air. And that is what I have learned from this AIDS fundraiser.


    How is supporting HIV/AIDS research the same thing as supporting the gay community? According to the latest study on HIV/AIDS more straight women are infected than gay men. You, like most everyone, support the charitable organization that you feel does the most good. Just because other people have other priorities it doesn't make them "selfish fucks". I spent two months in New York on my own money helping work relief for the victims of 9/11. Then continued for the next four years coaching the children who lost their parents through their grieving process because I too lost a parent as a young child. You have no idea what the guys on RJ do towards bettering the world around them.

    Once again your small mindedness and arrogance is baffling. As if you are the standard to which we should all hold ourselves accountable... you're ridiculous.
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    Mar 28, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    Proof that the world is made up of so many different people - Someone please give the guy a plaque.