How light is too light?

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    Jan 23, 2008 2:39 PM GMT
    The exercise program I am on is low weight/high rep and cardio @ 70%-75% MHR. My question is, how light is too light? What should I look for when choosing a weight?
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    Jan 23, 2008 2:51 PM GMT
    if thats been given to you by a trainer you need to sack him and get a half decent one

    No-one can say what is too light for you, if you complete the routine too easy then up it next session ad infinitum
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    Jan 23, 2008 3:34 PM GMT
    bfg1 saidif thats been given to you by a trainer you need to sack him and get a half decent one

    No-one can say what is too light for you, if you complete the routine too easy then up it next session ad infinitum
    d it onlin

    I actually found this workout online. It's a workout for endomorphs.
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    Jan 23, 2008 8:42 PM GMT
    You'll have to learn on your own what works best for you.

    Something as simple as walking may be best.

    Remember: there is no magic cure. What works for someone else may not work for you. It took you years to get into a mess, and, it's going to take a while to undo it.

    At your level of conditioning, I suspect your trainer has you on such a program to avoid injury as much as anything else. Crawl, walk, run.

    The most important thing: get yourself into motion. Do something every day. No excuses. Just do it.

    At this point, I'd concur with your trainer. He's in a spot to know best, if he's qualified. Here, you're just a picture, and, since this is something you chose yourself, as an exercise for endos, give it a try to a while. Worst case, you'll burn some calories and firm up a bit. If it doesn't work, try something else.

    You have no business doing anything advanced right now. You're to far gone. You have to crawl, walk, run your way to recovery.
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:46 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidYou'll have to learn on your own what works best for you.

    Something as simple as walking may be best.

    Remember: there is no magic cure. What works for someone else may not work for you. It took you years to get into a mess, and, it's going to take a while to undo it.

    At your level of conditioning, I suspect your trainer has you on such a program to avoid injury as much as anything else. Crawl, walk, run.

    The most important thing: get yourself into motion. Do something every day. No excuses. Just do it.

    At this point, I'd concur with your trainer. He's in a spot to know best, if he's qualified. Here, you're just a picture, and, since this is something you chose yourself, as an exercise for endos, give it a try to a while. Worst case, you'll burn some calories and firm up a bit. If it doesn't work, try something else.

    You have no business doing anything advanced right now. You're to far gone. You have to crawl, walk, run your way to recovery.


    Do you know what amazes me? There are people reading this who don't think you're an asshole!
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:55 AM GMT
    sorry but I dont think chucky's response was particularly rude
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:14 AM GMT
    Chasersprize said
    Do you know what amazes me? There are people reading this who don't think you're an asshole!


    Chaser, he may have offended you, but I'm sure he didn't mean to...most of his post was spot on.

    Anyway, my advice (his too): see a personal trainer in the flesh. Firstly, some of them are hot, and that's great motivation. Secondly, they'll really put you on the right track with a specific program.

    Labels like "endomorph," "ectomorph", etc. are not useful guides.

    Fatiguing and building your muscle with a good, safe, hard workout and a healthy diet is your best bet.
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:14 AM GMT
    Pass the popcorn.
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:39 AM GMT
    its called exasperation Chaser, even if Chucky and I dont se eye to eye we both have methods that are proven and will help you achieve we are trying our best to help ya but ya dont listen to the advice and support and you dont ever respond to the questions or challenges thrown out to ya

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    Jan 24, 2008 6:40 AM GMT
    cronker saidPass the popcorn.


    As long as it's 94% fat-free.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:27 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidsorry but I dont think chucky's response was particularly rude


    He used this post as an opportunity to belittle me. That's not rude?
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:42 PM GMT
    Sorry about the negativity toward you in what was an honest question. We all have heard nasty comments about us. Just ignore it and do your best, and good luck!
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:57 PM GMT
    It's not my place to apologize for Chucky, nor do I feel the need to. I think he gave some very good advice between the comments that you found hurtful. If he really intended malice, then he would not have bothered to include those helpful tips.

    Now for my own answer:

    I have no idea what your lifestyle has been like and what your genetic inheritance is like. You have raised your hand and announced you are overweight and want to do something about it. I applaud this step. I have taken this step myself. I know that changes to lifestyle can be very hard. I had to reinvent how I thought about my value as an employee in order to stop working evenings and weekends, which made the time for the gym. Not easy, but I did it and so can you--whatever changes you have to make.

    Consistency is very important: once you start eating differently and working out regularly, you will take on a kind of behavioral inertia. Give yourself time with these changes to build up that inertia. Stick to it no matter what.

    With weight training, you might find your bodyweight doesn't change much. You might add muscle and lose fat. Don't worry about it. You'll eventually see results. Muscle burns fat, so if you can add a bit of muscle your metabolism will work for you.

    Eventually, you'll want to change your weight routine from this beginner's one. Light weights for high reps will not suffice for long. Keep researching on the Web and keep asking questions here.
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    Jan 24, 2008 7:52 PM GMT
    It's o.k., I'm a big boy, and I can take it.

    Honestly, it's a bit fun to laugh at the lashing out.

    I'm untainted by it, and it reflects upon the person doing it, and not me.

    Unfortunately, he doesn't direct that energy into his recovery, but, rather makes ongoing excuses for his ongoing failure. I have a long list of emails from other members supporting me in my advice to him directly, as well as their views on his ongoing negativity. There seems to be no way to reach him. He wallows in it.

    Sometimes, you realize there's no helping some. Only when he hits bottom will he become honest and stop with the transformation and projection.

    He doesn't like integrity, nor honesty, and I've said a bunch of times that he didn't become the way he is overnight, and there won't be remedy in that length of time either. He LOVES whining, though, and continues in his plan for failure.

    I also pointed out he's simply not in the condition for a program that a regular person would do, and, that for the time being he has to accommodate his illness. I also have told him no less than six times that change takes time. I view training in months, and even years.

    In short, he wants a quick fix, and lacks discipline. That's how he got where he is today. If he continues in his current modality he is almost certainly guaranteed ongoing failure. Trying to get him to change that modality has been an exercise in futility. We've all tried a number of approaches in trying to relate to him; all not meeting with much level of success; he continues his plan for failure, ongoing self-pity, sympathy-seeking, projection, and transformation, rather than executing a plan for success. You can tell him what he needs to do, but, he won't do it, and puts more energy into his "poor me" mentality.

    I'm afraid that Chaser isn't just in need of a trainer, but, honestly, would do well to seek the assistance of a mental health professional. Testosterone, or some anti-depressant, may well be in order.
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    Jan 24, 2008 8:59 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidtrainer, but, honestly, would do well to seek the assistance of a mental health professional.


    this frightens me here too chucky cos once again I agree with you.

    Chaser its pointless me typing this really as you still havent answered any of the messages I have sent you and training programmes which would accomodate your current situation. But I do reccomend you see your doctor and get professional support and help for this issue.
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    Jan 24, 2008 9:11 PM GMT
    I have never met Chucky, but he isn't an asshole.

    Sometimes we need to be looked in the eye and told the truth and that can be painful but necessary for our own growth and development as people. The truth can hurt but we need to hear it.


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    Jan 24, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    Chaser you've been practically begging for the tough-love approach since I first saw you on here back in August. Chucky may come across as a little, um..."juiced"...from time to time, but I think he means well. I think.

    Roll with it baby.
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    Jan 24, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    I didn't believe for one second that Chucky was rude at all, just straight to the point no BS!

    What he said is true! I went from 260 dropped to 170 and now have bulked up to 190, I had to learn how to sit up then crawl, then walk, then run and now I'm ALMOST flying! Yet I am still learning EVERYDAY I hit the gym or do some sort of work out!
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    Jan 24, 2008 10:13 PM GMT
    Let me point you, yet again, to the video I did exclusively for Chaser on 13 January.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnGd9nShVTE
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    Jan 24, 2008 11:41 PM GMT
    I agree with Chucky - his comments were fine - just what a fat person (or an alcoholic or druggy) needs. Chaser's continued conversation over all these past months about losing weight - instead of getting started and just doing the workouts - is maddening. He seems to want sympathy and coddling.

    Here you go Chaser - diet and exercise - simple. No more conversation about it.
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    Jan 25, 2008 12:24 AM GMT
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    Jan 25, 2008 12:43 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidI agree with Chucky - his comments were fine - just what a fat person (or an alcoholic or druggy) needs. Chaser's continued conversation over all these past months about losing weight - instead of getting started and just doing the workouts - is maddening. He seems to want sympathy and coddling.

    Here you go Chaser - diet and exercise - simple. No more conversation about it.


    All I asked was if there's a method to determine if, when choosing a weight for a low weight/high rep workout, if the weight you're choosing is too light. Haven't you heard of "% of 1 rep max"? Chucky degenerated this thread into what it's become and all of you followed his lead.
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    Jan 25, 2008 12:44 AM GMT
    Meh. Chucky's advice might seem a bit harsh but after reading it I doubt anyone would ever accuse him of not being honest and no one ever said honesty couldn't be harsh.

    Take it as constructive criticism and apply some of this honesty to better suit your needs in helping you reach whatever your goal is. You are here on RJ for a reason aferall and no one ever said it would be a walk in the park which means some things are better learned the hard way i.e. a nice reality check.

    Good luck and best of wishes.
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:00 AM GMT
    I didn't degenerate the thread.

    I said:

    You'll have to learn on your own what works best for you.

    Something as simple as walking may be best.

    You lashed out, and folks came to my defense.

    Once again, stop it with the projection and transformation and get your behind into motion.
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:02 AM GMT
    Chasersprize said[quote][cite]Jockbod48 said[/cite]I agree with Chucky - his comments were fine - just what a fat person (or an alcoholic or druggy) needs. Chaser's continued conversation over all these past months about losing weight - instead of getting started and just doing the workouts - is maddening. He seems to want sympathy and coddling.

    Here you go Chaser - diet and exercise - simple. No more conversation about it.


    All I asked was if there's a method to determine if, when choosing a weight for a low weight/high rep workout, if the weight you're choosing is too light. Haven't you heard of "% of 1 rep max"? Chucky degenerated this thread into what it's become and all of you followed his lead.[/quote]

    Simply put Chaser, NO THERE IS NO FORMULA to what you are asking. YOU have to feel it out for yourself and take it form there and adjust as you go. Simple as that! If you have NEVER lifted then start w/ 10-15lbs per set and feel it out form there and adjust accordingly, I did!