can someone explain drag queens?

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    Mar 29, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    are they men who have a split personality that they feel allows them to be something they are not?

    are they men who wish to be women?

    are they men who if cheap, would become a full blown woman?

    i was watching DRAG RACE with a friend and the episode i watch had me lost. the challenge was to dress up for a photo as both BRIDE and GROOM.

    all the guys on the show where talking about how hard it is to suddenly swtich gears from drag queens to drag kinds.

    am i crazy or is being asked to dress like a man for someone IS a man who dresses in like a woman really a whole another thing?

    also, do Drag queens really refer to themselves by their drag names when dressed as men or out of drag?
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    Mar 29, 2010 11:44 PM GMT
    BJBien1010 saidare they men who have a split personality that they feel allows them to be something they are not?

    are they men who wish to be women?

    ...also, do Drag queens really refer to themselves by their drag names when dressed as men or out of drag?

    I used to work very closely with the drag community, doing the lighting for their shows, also taping them and creating DVDs, had quite a few drag queens as close friends, and dabbled a little in drag myself. I do not fully understand their motivation myself. I know my own was my love of stagecraft & performing (one of my college degrees is in theatre, another in TV). Doing it in a dress was just another challenge for me, and because all my friends were doing it, but a big hassle, quite frankly, I much prefer male roles.

    The queens I knew (and some drag kings, who are lesbians performing as butch males, not really what those contestants were doing on Drag Race) did not normally want to wear women's clothing off stage, and I certainly never did. I only knew one queen who did, a royally maladjusted young man in more ways than one. Funny story about him:

    One time my BF was having a formal, black tie opening for an exhibit at his art museum, followed by a private dinner and party. He invited this other guy, too. Well, he didn't have a tuxedo, so he told my BF on the phone that he'd come in an evening gown instead!

    I learned of this while I rode over to the museum that night with my BF, who was in a panic. Not only was the queen not a very convincing woman (her act was comedic novelty drag, not glamour or pure female impersonation), but my BF was not out to the straight community (or so he thought), and he didn't want his reputation and opening ruined.

    So I volunteered to keep running outside as a lookout, ready to prevent her entry if she really showed up (a drag queen is always "her/she" when in character, but "his/he again when not), prepared to use physical force if I needed. Fortunately she had second thoughts and stayed home.

    I know another queen who does stay a female 24/7, and is always addressed by female pronouns. Clearly she does want to be a man, and most of us assume she's really more a transvestite (tranny), though she assures us that other than taking hormones, she's had no sex-change surgery.

    So these are complex and at times confusing questions you ask, even for those of us who have been in the "business." All I know is that drag is an ancient tradition among gay men, that I accept as part of our heritage.
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    Mar 29, 2010 11:53 PM GMT
    You'd have to ask someone who's done drag before but the way I see it is that it is entertainment, performing in front of an audience. I've never heard of a drag queen who dressed up in private, it's always about showmanship.
    I'd call a drag queen/king by their stage name only when they are in character because the name is linked with the character not the person underneath the clothes and makeup. It's fun to go out dressed up and play a different person than you are in everyday life.

    You're confusing drag with transvestites and transsexuals.
    Transvestites are someone who has an urge to dress up in the opposite sexes clothing and adopts the "personality", it has a sexual aspect and can be about role playing.

    Transsexuals are people who don't identify with their physical sex, so they would want to change that if they could. It gets kinda complicated, because there's transsexuals who prefer to keep their original genitals (pre-operation transgender) and others will go the whole transformation (post-operation transgender).

    With the Drag Race show, if you can imagine that you've played a character for so long and then someone tells you you have to play a different role, it would be hard. It's easier to be a parody of a woman than a man.
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    Mar 30, 2010 12:00 AM GMT
    ENTERTAINMENT.......
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    Mar 30, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    Don't EVER cross one
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    Mar 30, 2010 12:05 AM GMT
    I hope some people who do perform in drag chime in, but I'll answer from what I noticed, read, and heard (from a former co-worker who performs in drag).

    First, the drag queen thing is done for entertainment. Dressing up as a woman is for show. There are some who dress up as woman as part of their day to day lives and that wouldn't make them a drag queen.

    Keeping in mind the drag queen thing is an act, it's no different than the wrestlers you see on WWF, clowns performing at the circus (this comparison is not meant to be pejorative), or Beyonce relying on her alter ego "Sasha Fierce" to do a show. It's a performance and they happen to do it by wearing women's clothing, so don't try to get too deep into it, or you'll be making it more complicated than it really is.

    To answer your second and third question: that's up to the individual. Some may wish to be women and some would go through gender reassignment surgery, and some are very content with their dicks and being a man. I believe for most it's kind of like the quote, "It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live here."

    Regarding your second to last question, it's really depends on the person. If you enjoy this alter ego so much and "she" has a hold of you, it can be kind of hard to let go. However I'm sure there are many who can instantly turn it off. Think of the interviews you seen actors give when talking about getting into character. Some like to stay in character between takes and others switch it off and on at a moment's notice.

    I think most leave the drag name to their drag persona and don't require to be identified as such without the costume. A former co-worker told me they also like to be addressed as women when in drag, and not as men. As a sign of respect for what they're doing.
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    Mar 30, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
    Crap. I took too long to respond. I see you already got some responses.
  • jgymnast733

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    Mar 30, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
    Why question or explain at all.......
    2 each his own, i dont know whats right for you and you dont know whats right for me....icon_exclaim.gif
    Live and let live babycakes....icon_idea.gif
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    Mar 30, 2010 12:26 AM GMT
    I know a few drag performers and have done it once myself. I used the excuse of last November to bring Sarah Palin to the stage!

    Varies from person to person. A couple of my friends enjoy it for the chance to show off, the fame as Lady Gaga would call it. Most of it is the chance to be somebody and wow an audience. Not really any different than most musical artists or actors. Its a chance to be a star.

    A lesser number of queens seem to live for the role. Like an artist, they spend every day waiting for the next performance, each TV commercial or trip to the mall offers a chance to see something you might use in a show. They follow up on all the latest fashions and try to bring pop culture fads of the week into shows.

    I don't know any drag queens who dress like ladies off the stage. I don't know any drag queens who are not aggressive tops in bed either icon_twisted.gif

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    Mar 30, 2010 12:41 AM GMT
    Yeah I don't understand it all...when I see a drag queen at a club....I walk the other way.
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    Mar 30, 2010 12:56 AM GMT
    I'v always been confident within myself as a person as to not allow anything or anyone to freak me out....Theres a guy where i live who walks down the staircase and exits through the service entrance in drag late at night to avoid people, i kinda feel for the guy...... I mean, having to hide who you are must be really awfull.......
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    Mar 30, 2010 2:14 AM GMT
    TheIStrat saidDon't EVER cross one


    Exactly, thank you.
    It took a few pissed off drags to start a revolution which gave us the freedom we have as gay men today.
    Don't forget StoneWall, gentlemen.
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    Mar 30, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    I believe "drag queens" are men who dress up like women. I'm glad I could help! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 30, 2010 3:38 AM GMT
    why do some people like to put on costumes and play dungeons and dragons? you do what you feel is fun and entertaining, and there isn't an embedded reason or personality disorder that compels you.
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    Mar 30, 2010 4:39 AM GMT
    calibro saidwhy do some people like to put on costumes and play dungeons and dragons? you do what you feel is fun and entertaining, and there isn't an embedded reason or personality disorder that compels you.


    Actually, all of my fun and entertainment is directly related to my personality disorder. But I don't do drag.
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    Mar 30, 2010 5:36 AM GMT
    Why do you need an explanation? Take it for what it is. Men who enjoy preforming in women's dress lip syncing...entertaining.
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    Mar 30, 2010 5:47 AM GMT
    oh their harmless, they are just having fun
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    Mar 30, 2010 6:02 AM GMT
    you dont want to fuck with the trannies :i

    they cut you & let you die right on the spot :d, but they are good people inside just like you and me
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    Mar 30, 2010 8:09 AM GMT
    they wish to make epic entrances, and generally be epic.

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    Mar 30, 2010 8:59 AM GMT
    TheIStrat saidDon't EVER cross one


    Don't. Ever.
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    Mar 30, 2010 9:00 AM GMT
    the last drag queen I saw asked my friend if I was "his", and when I said, "I am my own," she looks at my friend, points at me, and says, "i'd like to have a hooker like that."

    drag queens are great at back handed compliments.

    oh! but the best quote of the evening, was when my friend complimented her on her dress, and she looks at her watch and says, "sorry, I have a drug habit I have to get to."

    a... mazing.
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    Mar 30, 2010 10:22 AM GMT
    i never said i had a problem with drag queens. i just don't get them. to each their own.

    that being said, here is what i don't get...

    your a man who dresses in drag as a show, yes, i get that part.

    but then you start to do your eyebrows in such a feminine way, it starts to spill into your "normal" life.

    then you start to remove the hair from your body. you don't work out and you make your body appear more woman like.

    then their is the cost. of outfits, wigs, make up, etc.

    this "fun" hobby starts to add up and really becomes a lifestyle.

    much like body building or such.

    so much time,work, and monkey is put into this that it doesn't seem like a minor hobby
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    Mar 30, 2010 10:38 AM GMT
    The GSA on my campus seemed to be obsessed with the drag community.

    I just don't understand--I get that people enjoy dressing up as the other sex.

    What I still don't understand is why people find them entertaining. Most do not look realistic (I doubt they're trying though). Most put on way too much make-up... and look like they spent a few years under-going plastic surgery.

    And don't get me started on their attitudes. lol


    Perhaps I'm ignorant... but I don't see why so many find them funny or entertaining.
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    Mar 30, 2010 10:45 AM GMT
    That's like asking why someone finds chocolate so delicious. Who can explain their tastes? A more interesting issue, I think, is why some find the proclivities of others something to dwell on, be concerned with, mentionable.
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    Mar 30, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]BJBien1010 said[/cite] Can someone explain drag queens[quote]

    Its part of our gay culture.....you gotta problem with iticon_exclaim.gificon_twisted.gif