DOJ offers full-throated DEFENSE of DADT in court

  • metta

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    Mar 30, 2010 4:34 PM GMT
    DOJ offers full-throated defense of DADT in court...

    http://ow.ly/1sFcD
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    Mar 30, 2010 5:17 PM GMT
    You know, I never believed Obama was pro-gay.

    In fact, I have heard some (unsubstantiated) rumors that his wife, at least, is pretty anti.
  • calibro

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    Mar 30, 2010 6:24 PM GMT
    tell me something i wasn't expecting...
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    Mar 30, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
    well aint that a kick in the nuts :i
  • yogadudeSEATT...

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    Mar 30, 2010 7:00 PM GMT
    I think the administration is just trying to slow things down, so the conservatives can't use this in the 2010 elections. It ain't cool. But I still trust that Obama is a progressive at heart.
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:03 PM GMT
    Isn't the Justice Dep't required to do this until the law is repealed while the President can campaign to end it? I thought I was told that because it's law, the Justice Dep't has to offer a defense as part of the legal code of ethics.

    I could be full of shit though.
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    Obama is the only coherent conservative in the public eye in the USA at the moment.
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:09 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidIsn't the Justice Dep't required to do this until the law is repealed while the President can campaign to end it? I thought I was told that because it's law, the Justice Dep't has to offer a defense as part of the legal code of ethics.

    I could be full of shit though.


    yep u r full of shitz on this one
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:12 PM GMT
    wow I literally feel like crying. icon_sad.gif
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:14 PM GMT
    Space_Cowboy_89 saidwow I literally feel like crying. icon_sad.gif



    oh shitz....here we go agan lil hommie
    whatd i say about the crying?.........lolzicon_cool.gif
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:18 PM GMT
    They're going to need all their throat for the sort of proven science and reason behind DADT's removal.
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:27 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidIsn't the Justice Dep't required to do this until the law is repealed while the President can campaign to end it? I thought I was told that because it's law, the Justice Dep't has to offer a defense as part of the legal code of ethics.

    I could be full of shit though.

    No you aren't. The Justice Department is bound to defend the acts of Congress in court when challenged.
    The obligatory defense could be pretty lukewarm. But in this case the DOJ's defense goes well beyond the minimum that is required. And that suggests that the Administration isn't exactly eager to shed DADT.
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:31 PM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    TheIStrat saidIsn't the Justice Dep't required to do this until the law is repealed while the President can campaign to end it? I thought I was told that because it's law, the Justice Dep't has to offer a defense as part of the legal code of ethics.

    I could be full of shit though.

    No you aren't. The Justice Department is bound to defend the acts of Congress in court when challenged.
    The obligatory defense could be pretty lukewarm. But in this case the DOJ's defense goes well beyond the minimum that is required. And that suggests that the Administration isn't exactly eager to shed DADT.



    this one is full of shitz too.....DOJ isnt bound by any such bs. DOJ is part of the executive branch and the prez can determine policy direction for the dept. that includes suing/not suing when it feels it is appropriate
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:42 PM GMT
    metta8 saidDOJ offers full-throated defense of DADT in court...

    http://ow.ly/1sFcD


    I am SO tired of the chest beating and teeth gnashing over DADT. Yes, the DOJ MUST defend all the legislation passed by Congress.

    Are you all aware that the major donors to the Democratic Party essentially stopped giving last year in a huff over another DOJ lawsuit?

    Given that, and the constant hyperventilating by gay folks over nearly everything Obama does, I'm shocked the administration hasn't completely abandoned our community.
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:50 PM GMT
    Aren't judges elected in America?
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    Christian73 said
    metta8 saidDOJ offers full-throated defense of DADT in court...

    http://ow.ly/1sFcD


    I am SO tired of the chest beating and teeth gnashing over DADT. Yes, the DOJ MUST defend all the legislation passed by Congress.



    another one full of shitz.
    geez....
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:53 PM GMT
    makavelli saidAren't judges elected in America?



    whaaaa?icon_question.gif

    oh nevermind....just realized ur just a silly canadian....lolzicon_lol.gif

    (fyi- some state judges are elected......but all federal judges an some state judges are appointed)
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    Mar 30, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    makavelli saidAren't judges elected in America?

    Some judges in state courts are. Federal judges are appointed and serve for life.
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    Christian73 said
    metta8 saidDOJ offers full-throated defense of DADT in court...

    http://ow.ly/1sFcD


    I am SO tired of the chest beating and teeth gnashing over DADT. Yes, the DOJ MUST defend all the legislation passed by Congress.

    Are you all aware that the major donors to the Democratic Party essentially stopped giving last year in a huff over another DOJ lawsuit?

    Given that, and the constant hyperventilating by gay folks over nearly everything Obama does, I'm shocked the administration hasn't completely abandoned our community.


    You can only abandon something you used to advocate. I don´t think he ever did with any ferocity whatsoever.... If he´s a fierce advocate I´m an egg plant.
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    Mar 30, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    Christian73 said...I'm shocked the administration hasn't completely abandoned our community.

    Actually, I think it already has. Didn't you get the memo?

    Now our problem is what to do next. Obama isn't pro-gay in any way, but the Republicans are fully anti-gay. Seems like we have no friends anywhere. So what do we do next? Where do we turn? Certainly not to the Republicans; that would be like running into the jaws of the wolf.

    Well, I suppose we have to make some new friends. Liberals are our best bet, since I think we can all agree Conservatives want us dead & gone, so that's out. Yet Liberals tend to be also Democrats, who have taken our votes, then turned their backs on us. Not a very attractive exchange.

    Quite frankly I'm stumped, and hope someone else here can propose a formula for gays that has some chance for success. US Republicans hate us, a good many of them wanting us dead, yet Democrats won't help us. The US only has 2 parties, so what do we do? icon_question.gif
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    Mar 30, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
    Saint Hilary of Clinton would have done it I think...
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    Red_Vespa said
    Christian73 said...I'm shocked the administration hasn't completely abandoned our community.

    Actually, I think it already has. Didn't you get the memo?

    Now our problem is what to do next. Obama isn't pro-gay in any way, but the Republicans are fully anti-gay. Seems like we have no friends anywhere. So what do we do next? Where do we turn? Certainly not to the Republicans; that would be like running into the jaws of the wolf.

    Well, I suppose we have to make some new friends. Liberals are our best bet, since I think we can all agree Conservatives want us dead & gone, so that's out. Yet Liberals tend to be also Democrats, who have taken our votes, then turned their backs on us. Not a very attractive exchange.

    Quite frankly I'm stumped, and hope someone else here can propose a formula for gays that has some chance for success. US Republicans hate us, a good many of them wanting us dead, yet Democrats won't help us. The US only has 2 parties, so what do we do? icon_question.gif


    This is a wild interpretation of what the administration has done. Obama has pledged to repeal DADT, and that is currently in the works, but won't happen overnight. While that law remains on the books, the DOJ must defend it, as it had to defend DOMA.

    He got Hate Crimes legislation done after it had languished for 12 years.

    He supports a trans-inclusive ENDA and has appointed more LGBT people to posts in his administration, including the first open transgender appointee in the history of our country.

    He changed federal laws to allow LGBT employees to put their partners on their insurance.

    And, mor than anything, he has not spent the last 15 months trying to take our rights away or winning elections on our backs, as the Republicans did for 8 years.

    Is he perfect? No. But, while I disagree on lots of what he has done - including hate crimes but that's a separate argument - he has been quite good on gay issues.
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    Mar 30, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidSaint Hilary of Clinton would have done it I think...

    Actually I think she might have, with more balls than Obama has, and used the Democratic Congressional majority like a righteous club, that the wimp Obama has wasted.

    In decades to come, Obama's failure to exploit his brief Congressional majority will be studied for its stupidity. I think his real goal was maintaining that majority, so the game plan was don't rock the boat. Except that meant not changing what Bush had done, and not delivering on a campaign pledge of change.

    Well, that's what happens when you make your WH CofS Rahm Emmanuel, who only understands status quo, not change. Obama campaigned on change, and instead he has delivered same-old, same-old. Other than health care, he has been a failure, and even health care has been compromised into a plan that's more pro-corporation than pro-people.. Yeah, I supported Hillary, and I still hope she will run in 2012.
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    Mar 30, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
    quite good, ok...

    Can you call him a "fierce advocate"? Hell no you can´t!

    It is perplexing what he was doing during the 60 window, as everyone knows that you don´t maintain that sort of majority after a landslide. It´s just not how it works.
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    Mar 30, 2010 8:23 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    While that law remains on the books, the DOJ must defend it, as it had to defend DOMA.




    nope ...full of shitz again

    cmon christi....ur not dumb.....u should get it the 1st time
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