Kucinich Starts New Impeachment Drive

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    Jan 24, 2008 2:01 AM GMT
    Though I'm not a supporter of Kucinich per se, I found this interesting and thought some of you would, too.

    Do you think impeachment is likely, or do you think its a moot point at such a late stage of events?

    Personally, I think Bush and Cheney should have been impeached a long time ago...

    Discuss, gentlemen... icon_smile.gif

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/kucinich-starts-new-impeachment-drive/index.html?nl=pol&emc=pol
  • gr8hands4you

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    Jan 24, 2008 2:30 AM GMT
    Well I would go much farther than Impeachment if it was up to me I would have them up on Criminal Charges and Treason against the United States, and the world.
  • gr8hands4you

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    Jan 24, 2008 2:40 AM GMT
    Think about how many people have died for his lies. How many families have suffered the lose of a loved on over there. How many families has he destroyed. Where will he stop??? Will we be in Iran next and maybe start another World War!!!
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    Jan 24, 2008 3:15 AM GMT
    I definately think Bush and cheney should be impeached, did you read about the study that just came out showing from their combined speeches, that they and their cronies have been documented telling over 900 lies to get us into this war. Back to impeachment !!!! as bad as I want them to be impeached, I'm afraid it won't happen, because too many of the Dems are complicit or it would have already been done. These two have us in such a mess that its hard to grasp just how far reaching the fallout from their "CONTROL OF OIL" policies and wars really are. Its the younger people who be paying the biggest price. I'm fearful for their sakes.
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    Jan 24, 2008 4:07 AM GMT
    Good for him, although Madam Pelosi will probably find a way to silence him. I think it's outrageous that they don't at least have some damn hearings for impeachment whether the "votes are there" or not.

    I'm sick of her and Harry Reid excusing every act of compliance with Bush with the "not enough votes" argument. And Reid is now doing everything he can to stop a filibuster of the telecommunications bill. The adoption of it as written almost certainly guarantees that we'll never know the truth about the administration's eavesdropping.
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    Jan 24, 2008 4:09 AM GMT
    realifedad said I definately think Bush and cheney should be impeached, did you read about the study that just came out showing from their combined speeches, that they and their cronies have been documented telling over 900 lies to get us into this war.


    Here's the link to that:

    http://www.publicintegrity.org/default.aspx

    It documents more than just the Iraq lies.
  • mcwclewis

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    Jan 24, 2008 4:18 AM GMT
    I love Kucinich...


    and yeah, Bush should have been impeached before he even got reelected.
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:34 AM GMT
    Here's the point about impeachment that the "realists" don't get:

    The Republicans, whether by accident or design, turned the constitutional remedy of impeachment into a joke when they went after Clinton. They turned it into a partisan punishment, and now they claim that if Bush were to be impeached, it would merely be partisan payback. It's almost as if they planned this out ten years ago to insulate a Bush presidency sometime in the future.

    Impeaching Bush is NOT futile, or pointless. It is about restoring impeachment to its original purpose, which was to counteract truly criminal behavior in the Executive. And if we fail to do so:

    WE HAVE ACCEDED TO THE NOTION THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, AFTER ALL, A PARTISAN PAYBACK.

    And any future attempt at impeachment will be stained by this. Impeachment, as a remedy, will be off the table for good.

    Another slam at the Constitution by the Republicans.
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    Jan 24, 2008 9:37 AM GMT
    Very good points, all of which I do agree. I think it will be interesting to see how this unfolds. As for madam Pelosi... I think she and Harry Reid are probably Bush-supporting Republicans in Democrat drag. icon_rolleyes.gif

    One comment by gr8hands4you has me wondering though... is the treason charge even used any more? I think it would certainly apply to both Bush and Cheney (and everyone else that's been covering for them), but I honestly can't remember anyone being charged with treason in the US in my lifetime (the last 45 years).
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    I love Kucinich. They may end up doing him like Wellstone, Carnahan and JFK Jr.*, but the little guy has a big heart and bigger balls.

    Unfortunately I think it's too late for this, as it should have been started up in '03 or '04. Bush only has 10 months left, and can stonewall far longer than that.

    I would, however, like to see charges of war crimes and treason brought to him, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, and all the other Nixon admin. holdovers *after* the elections, and with as little involvement from congress as possible.

    Does anyone have any ideas on how that would be possible? The UN is the first to come to mind.



    * Yes...slight conspiracy theory working here.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 24, 2008 5:09 PM GMT
    jprichva is correct. The Republicans so thoroughly poisoned the waters in 1998-99 that any action against the current administration will be seen as purely spiteful and vindictive by the public.

    Bush/Cheney would have to do something so blatantly, unambiguously criminal that someone not remotely paying attention (which is just about everybody in this apathetic country) would recognize the illegality. We're talking dead girl/live boy, hand in the till, arresting prosecutors kind of stuff, because anything else is too subtle for us. We're trying to watch Britney/Lindsay/Paris!

    And Rugger (yes, I'm still going to call you that, ya big studmuffin!), we ignore the UN all the time. They, or any other nation or organization of nations on this planet, are powerless to do anything to the United Fucking States. We would have to physically drag Shrub out of the White House and bodily deliver him to the Hague, and I don't see that happening...
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:34 PM GMT
    It is indeed probably too late to successfully remove Bush from office through impeachment, but that is not a reason not to conduct an official inquiry through hearings.

    The Democrats are proving themselves to be complicit in Bush's actions. It's utterly horrifying that Harry Reid is pushing to give telecommunications companies "retroactive immunity."

    I'm also quite leery of claims that the public will see impeachment as political payback. That's what the out-of-touch pundits and Beltway insiders say. Meanwhile polls of the public support impeachment hearings, especially of Cheney, by a near-majority. Once the hearings were underway and the catalog of Bush's criminal acts recited, I bet most Americans would favor the action.

    In any case, I question any leadership that permits criminal behavior to be ignored for political reasons.
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    Jan 24, 2008 8:41 PM GMT
    There is currently a treasonous act going on with the FBI, its unknown how far up toward the White House this is, but it must be pretty high up because somehow they have kept the issue of a file in the FBI having to do with high officials in our government, and military, selling nuclear secrets to the highest bidders on the black market. It seems that this sceem somehow goes through Israel and Lebanon, possibly turkey. Last weekend the London Times had a big article about it, but none of our major "BOUGHT OFF" media have printed it. It seems That a female interpreter in the FBI exposed this and the file name and number, she has been forced to stop talking, the FBI when approached under Freedom of Imformation Act to acquire copies of the file, claimed no such file existed. Shortly thereafter another officer High in the offending agency call the London Times and named the same file and vouched for its existance. I believe it was the OpEdNews.com site where I read this yesterday. (Today on this site I read that Nadler in Congress, who heads the Constitutional Committee is now blocking Impeachment )Also take a look at the site globalresearch.ca , look up the article about AlQuida and the war on terror if you really want to know why we should impeach !!! this stuff that our government has done is really frightening, another good site is Change.org
  • GQjock

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    Jan 24, 2008 10:35 PM GMT
    From a Study from the Center for Public Integrity

    Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

    By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith

    President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.
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    Jan 24, 2008 11:09 PM GMT
    can we do to him what Iraq did to Sadam?

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    Jan 25, 2008 4:47 AM GMT
    Actually Alexander, that's what he deserves, after he gets waterboarded and whatever other tortures he approved, used on him !!!!! In all fairness, bush/cheney have done worse than hussein.
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    Jan 25, 2008 5:04 AM GMT
    If we could do it it would be a good message to send. I'm not sure how it would fare for the democrats in future elections though considering the spin the repubs would take on it.
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    Jan 25, 2008 9:11 AM GMT
    Rugger... you're not the only one that thinks that way about JFK Jr. That's exactly where my gut went when I heard the plane was missing...
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    Jan 30, 2008 5:08 AM GMT
    I read this evening on MSNBC that Kusinich has backed off fileing the articles of impeachment against Bush after talking with the Judiciary Committee at their meeting. Apparently they are planning to study/review the charges against the actions and facts of the bush/cheney administration. So Kusinich is letting this process work its way through. Also on OpEdnews.com the head of the organization talked with Chairman Conley of the Judiciary Committee, and he stated that Impeachment was not "OFF THE TABLE" Maybe they have a grand sceem up their sleeves !!! LOL !!! I think its just a stall tactic they are using to let the impeachment subject die a natural death !!! This is all a disgrace for our Democracy.