URGENT PETITION: Make NYC build an LGBT center for the youth!

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    Jan 24, 2008 4:04 AM GMT
    LGBT youth of color are pushed out of our homes, schools, and safe
    spaces every day as access to vital resources and opportunities
    decreases. FIERCE has been opposing the private development on Pier 40
    [the pier next to Christopher Street] that will further displace LGBT
    youth, especially youth of color, from the West Village. It is simple:
    development can and should meet the needs of poor people, not
    corporations. Now is the time to take action to SAVE THE VILLAGE and
    put LGBT Youth Before Profit.

    The Hudson River Park Trust will be voting on the future of Pier 40
    ON JANUARY 31st. SIGN TODAY and PASS AROUND THE WORD!

    Would you like to have a community center for LGBT youth on the pier?

    THEN TAKE ACTION WITH US!! PASS THIS ALONG!

    Go to the link below (copy and paste if you can't click on it) and
    sign the petition.
    Let the Hudson River Park Trust know that LGBT youth will not be silenced!!

    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/lgbtp40/petition/html


    Rickke Mananzala
    Executive Director
    FIERCE
    147 West 24th Street, 6th Floor
    New York, NY 10011
    (ph) 646.336.6789 ext. 202
    (fax) 646.336.6788
    http://www.fiercenyc.org
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:59 AM GMT
    There already is an lgbt community center in the village, with many youth programs.
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    Jan 24, 2008 9:46 AM GMT
    there is an lgbt center near our area too in glasgow and its fun to go there and talk to other youngsters , the meeting takes place one a week.
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    Jan 24, 2008 11:13 AM GMT
    I agree that the community should take an active role in the development of their community, both public and private development, voicing their opinion and taking an active role in the implementation of that opinion. Following, I also strongly support the building and development of a youth center and related programs.

    However, I strongly disagree with the petition requesting a required space specifically for youth of the LGBTQ preference. By requiring such a space for a specific group, the city government and related organizations are playing favorites to a specific constituent group and are not allowing for future progress to be open ended.

    What about the youth in the area who are not LGBTQ? Where are they to go? Requiring a youth center to be built is an admirable thing, one that I support, so long as it seeks to serve all youth regardless of orientation with programs that reach to all youth or to youth of either the straight or the LGBTQ preference.

    Further, the target age group becomes limited through the restriction to LGBTQ youth only. Few people realize their sexual preference before middle school or high school. Elementary school children are in great need of quality places that they can spend time after school that provide an open and affirming environment for everyone regardless of their sexual partner. This age group cannot be forgotten in the development plans.

    Restricting progress to a particular group does not acknowledge that neighborhood populations change and evolve. For example: a black youth center established in one neighborhood in twenty years find itself later surrounded by a Hispanic neighborhood.

    Setting requirements for a youth center is great, requiring a youth center for a specific group marginalizes those who are not a part of that group.
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    Jan 24, 2008 2:46 PM GMT
    There is a NYC lgbt center but it is in Chelsea. Many minority and homeless LGBT youth hang out by the pier. If they use this to make a shopping center, they will have no place to go. Why can't there be more than one LGBT center anyways? There are a million YMCA's. Please support the petition.
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    Jan 24, 2008 4:27 PM GMT
    The LGBT center in NYC is in the village. Chelsea starts on 14th street. Are you honestly saying that the lgbt youth who go to the pier cant walk 10 blocks?? Additionally the Christopher street pier will still be a park where the LGBT youth can go if they wish too. My point is these resources already exist but the lgbt youth dont utilize them. Why should we build more resources when the ones we have are under utilized. Additionally your ymca reference comes from left field and is inapplicable as the YMCA is a nationwide privately funded organization.
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    Jan 24, 2008 4:37 PM GMT
    Maybe the city should be spending $ on educating and better integrating the straight population (esp. adolescent youth) with the gay population? Then in 20 years maybe there wouldn't be a need for these "safe places".

    Just a thought.
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:40 PM GMT
    Many are runaways from outside the city. NYC is pretty tolerant, relatively speaking.

    You're only an LGBT youth for so long, after that you'll need a place to shop.
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:53 PM GMT
    I find it strange that there is resistance to this on a gay forum. My straight friends willingly signed and think it is a wonderful idea. I think the more gay resources the better, maybe you don't think its needed or the best idea but why on Earth would you be against it?
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    Jan 24, 2008 5:59 PM GMT
    A few reasons to be against this

    A) believing in an economic free market

    B) knowing that these resources already exist and are underutilized

    C) not believing in seperate but equal space (I also don't like the harvey milk school)
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:00 PM GMT
    chungo if you don't believe in a seperate but equal space, why are you on this website which is seperate for gay men? why not just be on a fitness community not segregated by sexual orientation?
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    Jan 24, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    I am not from NYC, ands I do believe we need to support our youth, so I should just keep my mouth shut but .... I think if the resources already exist and are underutilized it hurts us as a community to always have our hands out. It may appear that we are taking from others and I do not want that image.

    I am all for helping youth but it sounds like we are doing that. This country has made it to easy for people to just accept hand outs at the tax payers expense. I say that, as a gay democratic social worker so I am sure I will be flamed.

    How would you feel if you were paying for a building for some other group that you did not support in the first place, and it was empty? I might feel resentful, and as a gay male I do not want to give society any more reasons to resent us.
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    Jan 24, 2008 9:20 PM GMT
    why am I on this website? because it is one of a few websites I am on. additionally no one is telling me this is where I should be. The harvey milk school is an example of saying this is where the gay kids belong, and it seems like this would be another example that would be turned into this is where the gay kids belong. Additionally the resources already exist. the LGBT center is on 13th street between 7th and 8th avenues in the Village, lgbt youth have legs they can walk the 10 blocks from the pier, which yes there are still two piers right off christopher street that are public parks where lgbt youth hang out, to the lgbt center.
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    Jan 24, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    Hippie you're getting into the hyperbolic points again. Careful, you may lose still more credibility.
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:01 AM GMT
    Chungo I don't think this is like the Harvey Milk School, the Milk school is great, it is optional for kids who have been severely bullied. Sure integration is best, and integration is working well but there are kids whose lives have been ruined and tormented and we should not make a social experiment out of them. Harvey Milk school has saved some kids from dropping out of school altogether.

    As such the LGBT youth center on the pier would not be mandatory it would be a place for just youth to congregate. The LGBT center on west 13th is a great resource and many use it, but I think there should be something just for the youth. It is also a new way to reach out. The more LGBT stuff the merrier.

    I think some people on these forums just like to argue for argument sake and don't even pay attention to the stupid ideas that come out of their mouth. That was not necessarily directed to you chungo, so dont go taking offense, it was a general statement.
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    I've been away from New York for a long time, but all I hear about is that the Village (where I used to live) is O V E R for gays. Article after article whines about strollers and soccer moms up and down the streets....is this accurate?
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:17 AM GMT
    jprich most of the gay population has ventured off into other areas such as Chelsea, Hells Kitchen, parts of Brooklyn.

    The East and West village still has a lot of gay flavor, history and culture. Yes it is changing, but gays have forever left their mark on downtown Manhattan.
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:30 AM GMT
    hippie4lyfeI think some people on these forums just like to argue for argument sake and don't even pay attention to the stupid ideas that come out of their mouth.


    Every instance of self awareness/actualization is an event to celebrate. Hippie, pour yourself a drink.
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:42 AM GMT
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    Jan 25, 2008 1:45 AM GMT
    I see.

    You've already had a few. Well, don't drive. Call a taxi.
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    Jan 25, 2008 2:09 AM GMT
    jprichva: The village still has its gay charms though its not often where you find the younger gay crowd. the Gays have slowly crept northward first moving to Chelsea, which is still a major gay neighborhood, though even that seems to be becoming slowly more gentrified with time, next it was on to hells kitchen / Clinton which is where many gay people hang out now. basically if you want to go to piano bars of dive bars you head down to the west village for a trip to pieces or maries crisis or the duplex. The east village is still a gay stable for a subset of the gay population.
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    Jan 25, 2008 2:15 AM GMT
    McGay for President
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    Jan 25, 2008 12:40 PM GMT
    A chicken in every pot!
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    Jan 25, 2008 2:23 PM GMT
    and a port in ever chicken!
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    Jan 25, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe: "I find it strange that there is resistance to this on a gay forum."

    Well, hippie, maybe you should think about whether that’s because you’ve wasted your personal capital alienating everyone at this site.

    Notwithstanding that problem, I signed the petition. The rival development proposals are all atrocious – an aquarium, the inspired call for a giant Home Depot of all things, and the visionary proposal for parking – and I don’t buy any of chungo’s arguments. None of the other proposals are free market based, since a community board chooses what to development, and not the market. Besides, Pier 40 is currently public land, and nobody has proposed selling it to the highest market bidder, which would be the free market-based proposal.

    As for the claim that glbt youth underutilize current resources, I really don’t know where that claim’s coming from. The glbt center in the west village, which isn’t really youth-focused to begin with, certainly isn’t “underutilized;” it’s undergoing a big expansion to accommodate demand. And the Christopher Pier is a zoo.

    One other thing to note, the youth center wouldn’t take up much of the pier, which is large enough so that the proposed aquarium, if done instead, would be the world’s second largest. With the youth center, the pier could still accommodate other venues, such as tennis courts, which I’ve heard some other community groups are pushing for.

    Anyways, I think you New Yorkers should sign the petition.