Do You Believe In Noah's Ark...?

  • masculumpedes

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    Apr 01, 2010 2:22 PM GMT
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    I think it's entirely possible that the story could be true. Here's a condensed version of the well-known story.
    After gathering 2 of (almost) every animal and taking his family inside, Noah and the group spent over one year on the ark. Apparently Noah and his family did re-populate the earth (you're here aren't you?).

    Unfortunately, Noah missed numerous animals such as the unicorn, sphinx, and dragon which caused them to immediately become extinct.

    Soon after, Noah planted a vineyard so that he could make some wine. It is said that he got drunk and threw off his clothes and passed out. His son, Ham saw this and did nothing for his father, but his other sons, Japheth and Shem, covered their father. When Noah woke up, he praised two of his sons, but cursed the son of Ham (Canaan), and this is the reason why the Israelites never got along with the Canaanites.

    Noah lived another 350 years and died at the ripe old age of 950.

    (p.s. This post along with many others of mine will not be enjoyed by those persons who think too literally) 34.gif34.gif34.gif
  • Delivis

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    Apr 01, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    God decided to wipe out everything, but the swimming and floating creatures got away due to a loophole.
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    Apr 01, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    .....if memory serves me well...the Bible says he took SEVEN pairs of every clean animal and 2 pairs of unclean. A whole lot more than most people think!
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    Apr 01, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    And Eve wasn't the first woman, Lillith was too independent and didn't serve her man..what this has to do with Noah, no clue...just always found it interesting
  • Delivis

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    Apr 01, 2010 3:55 PM GMT
    StudlyScrewRite said.....if memory serves me well...the Bible says he took SEVEN pairs of every clean animal and 2 pairs of unclean. A whole lot more than most people think!


    Yes....because if it was ONLY two of all the millions of species then it would be, like, totally possible. But 2-7 pairs? No way!...icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 01, 2010 4:04 PM GMT
    malefeet said<...When Noah woke up, he praised two of his sons, but cursed the son of Ham (Canaan), and this is the reason why the Israelites never got along with the Canaanites.

    Canaan's curse was to serve in the tents of his two brothers. Canaan then became identified as the progenitor of the negro race. Japheth and Shem were said to be the progenitors of the other races. Therefore, the negroes were ordained by God via Noah to serve all others.

    And that, children, is the southern biblical justification for slavery in the US.

    I doubt many Blacks in America know this or they might think twice about using the Bible as justification for discrimination against gays.

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  • dannyboy1101

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    Apr 01, 2010 5:49 PM GMT
    Well, my question is why do we look at Adam and Eve as the first pair of people if we all really came from Noah and his wife? In addition, where did repopulation then become incest? What was going on then that was so bad that God felt the need to start over? Could they have truly been that much worse than the people inhabiting the world today with nuclear weapon threats and mass murders?

    I've always had a problem with this story.
  • dannyboy1101

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    Apr 01, 2010 5:50 PM GMT
    Delivis saidGod decided to wipe out everything, but the swimming and floating creatures got away due to a loophole.


    Fish always got away with everything. Just look at the meatless Fridays in Lent. Fish is ok to eat even though you can't eat any other formerly living creature. ???
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    Apr 01, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    Horrible acting but overall it is a funny tv show...Some of the guys on there are hot...
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    Apr 01, 2010 7:10 PM GMT
    Caslon14000 said
    malefeet said<...When Noah woke up, he praised two of his sons, but cursed the son of Ham (Canaan), and this is the reason why the Israelites never got along with the Canaanites.

    Canaan's curse was to serve in the tents of his two brothers. Canaan then became identified as the progenitor of the negro race. Japheth and Shem were said to be the progenitors of the other races. Therefore, the negroes were ordained by God via Noah to serve all others.

    And that, children, is the southern biblical justification for slavery in the US.

    I doubt many Blacks in America know this or they might think twice about using the Bible as justification for discrimination against gays.

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    You left out the part about the curse on Canaan (the fourth son of Ham) being the result of Ham sodomizing his father.According to early Jewish and Christian tradition, Ham sodomized (in some cases it's not certain if Ham sodomized or castrated Noah) his father, depriving him of a fourth son and Noah cursed the fourth son of Ham.
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    Apr 01, 2010 7:10 PM GMT
    did you just watch "2012" ...is that what prompted these thoughts : )
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    Apr 01, 2010 7:17 PM GMT
    nope....absolutely not...completely genetically impossible icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 01, 2010 7:39 PM GMT
    Metaphors all metaphors. I don't think many of the miraculous acts in the bible were literal. (Organized) Religion is a form of mass hysteria. Social programming, nothing more.

    Its clear that we as humans have limited mental capacity and can only comprehend the stories, fables, and fairy tales that govern our life... as seen throughout history. Do I think the stories have some power other then our own that influence them? Sure. But I think it is no different than a child standing over an ant hill.

    We are the ants - this power greater than ourselves is the child. Think about it, ants are not conscious of this power greater than them... because it is too far out of context.

    Either way, we all return to energy in the end. I rather like to think its a bit like this:





  • scrumrob

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    May 08, 2010 7:51 PM GMT
    Unless it was something like "Honey I Shrunk The Kids", I find it implausible that such a vessel could exist. Who would have cleaned out all the wastes? Then there is the implausibility of only two or seven representatives of a species being able to repopulate the earth. There would be nothing but incest available after the first matings. Anyway, if it was global, how would different species end up on different continents?

    After leaving the ark, what would the animals eat since a flood would have wiped out all terrestrial plants. The herbivores would starve if the carnivores didn't eat them first. Once the herbivores were gone, the carnivores would starve. A lot of marine animals would die because of the dilution of salty seawater with rainwater, and the freshwater species would die because of the increased salinity from the seawater.

    Then there is the whole supernatural aspect. If a god created everything from nothing in six days and is all powerful, why would it need a global deluge lasting for 40 days and nights to reset the whole thing?

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    May 08, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    That is basically like the bank bailout. Fish are the biblical equivalent of credit default swaps.


    dannyboy1101 said
    Delivis saidGod decided to wipe out everything, but the swimming and floating creatures got away due to a loophole.


    Fish always got away with everything. Just look at the meatless Fridays in Lent. Fish is ok to eat even though you can't eat any other formerly living creature. ???
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    May 08, 2010 8:19 PM GMT
    shortmuscleguy saidLillith was too independent and didn't serve her man..

    Damn right!
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  • HOTWEILLER

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    May 08, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    Yes, Eve and and Adan are my parents and i`m immortal.
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    May 08, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
    yes and no.

    noahs ark was not the first story of a Global flood, and was based on the story of Gilgamesh.

    most ancient peoples have storys of a massive flood, including native Americans. but....

    its more than probable that these legends came out of the peoples who lived during the Period of Deglaciation about 11 thousand years ago, where we know that there were massive floods in various parts of the earth when Ice Dams burst. and the sea levels began to rise, a rise of about 450 meters with periods of falling then rising again.

    So yes, I do personally believe that there is a basis for an Ark story. which doesn not in any way validate any particular religion. it just shows that Ancient human history is rich with disaster and survival in the face of massive upheaval.


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    May 08, 2010 10:44 PM GMT
    Well they did find it Noah's Ark
    http://www.squidoo.com/noahsarkfound

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/


    and if it is not Noah's Ark then who would build a boat that big just in time for a flood??????
  • neosyllogy

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    May 08, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
    Delivis saidGod decided to wipe out everything, but the swimming and floating creatures got away due to a loophole.


    Salinity changes shot them down.
    God's wiley he is.

    First he diluted the oceans with rain, then the fresh and saltwater bodies mingled destroying the former.

    Seriously. What's with thinking that you're smarter than god? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • neosyllogy

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    May 08, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    Caslon14000 said
    malefeet said
    And that, children, is the southern biblical justification for slavery in the US.

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    Thanks for pointing me to that Casion! I hadn't heard it before.
  • sportsjockla

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    May 08, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    I also believe that the Earth was made first, then came light and darkness and then the rest of the universe. I also believe that the Earth IS the center of the universe.

    When galileo discovered that the Earth was NOT the center of the universe, the Church wanted to have him executed, but because he was so popular among the people, they gave him a break and sent him into exile where he remained until he died. His work was not public for another 100 years.
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    May 08, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    joshypants saidWell they did find it Noah's Ark
    http://www.squidoo.com/noahsarkfound

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/


    and if it is not Noah's Ark then who would build a boat that big just in time for a flood??????


    actually it hasnt been found.. and the latest claim has been outed as a fraud. at least the 30th in the last twenty years.. which just goes to descredit biblical archeology as a whole. if you cant find it thru looking.. make it up and pray they dont notice.
  • JayDT

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    May 08, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
    It's an alegory or a fable designed to teach us about kindness towards one another and belief in something stronger.
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    May 08, 2010 11:36 PM GMT
    outdoorsbiguy said
    joshypants saidWell they did find it Noah's Ark
    http://www.squidoo.com/noahsarkfound

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100428-noahs-ark-found-in-turkey-science-religion-culture/


    and if it is not Noah's Ark then who would build a boat that big just in time for a flood??????


    actually it hasnt been found.. and the latest claim has been outed as a fraud. at least the 30th in the last twenty years.. hich just goes to descredit biblical archeology as a whole. if you cant find it thru looking.. make it up and pray they dont notice.


    Can you point me to where the claims are outed as fraud. I've been trying to tell a friend of mine this but cannot find any evidence on the net