Man! But the Holy Roman Catholic Church is taking a beating these days! Yowza!

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    Apr 01, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    HAHAHAHAHA! Happy Easter.


    On a more serious note, I hope that those who believe and pray will keep in their prayers the unknown numbers of victims generated by this unholy cabal. Faith into action, and all that.
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    Apr 02, 2010 2:37 AM GMT
    It is true lol. Though I love all religions, its the way they are enforced is what makes me hate them.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 02, 2010 3:16 AM GMT
    Today, I did a facebook quiz titled "Which crazy bitch are you?"

    My result was this:
    Brad took the "Which crazy bitch are you?" quiz and the result is Sinead O'Connor. You are one fierce bitch. You are very independent and will take no bullshit from anyone but your personality is actually sort of quiet and shy. You are a natural beauty and you are very comfortable with your feminity. You don't feel the need to overdo it or go out of your way to fuss over your looks. You don't want to distract people from what you stand for and the talents you possess. You are very idealistic and will go to any extremes to stand up for what you believe in even if it creates controversy and people don't understand. Relationships can be hard for you sometimes because men feel threatened by you but time again they come running to you and realize that you are actually very sweet and motherly....until they cross you

    to which I posted my result and replied with:

    NO F-ING WAY!!!! Just this morning, I was fantasizing that SNL would just tear a pic of Pope Benedict the Molester Cover-up Agent already!! Bwaaahahahahahahaha! BTW, Happy Easter, everyone!
  • leixguy

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    Apr 02, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    yet another thread about bashing the Catholic church and as I am Catholic it is about bashing me as well, so thank you for insulting me! Im sure you wont be the last!

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    Apr 02, 2010 3:41 AM GMT
    The Roman Catholic Church chose a former Nazi to be their Pope. Now the "chickens are coming home to roost" as the saying used to go.

    (And please, no revisionist nonsense that Benedict was "drafted" into the Nazi party. Party membership was elite, competitive and restricted, including the Hitler Youth. You had to apply and be selected over others. You may have been drafted into the German Army, but never into the Nazi party or the Hitler Youth. Benedict was a Nazi because he chose to be. Any competent historian will tell you that.)

    So we have an ex-Nazi who suppressed reports of child molestation by priests. The documents are beginning to surface that prove this. And this is the Vicar of Christ? Sorry, but his credibility is about zero. And the best the Vatican can say is "The Pope can't be charged, because he's a head of state." What state? A few dozen acres? But true, some 170 countries afford the Vatican that status, though I can't imagine why.

    And the Vatican is also attacking the New York Times for false reporting. The NYT? If I had to choose between the 2 institutions for veracity, I'll take the Times any day. A losing battle if you take on the Times.

    So I don't know what will happen. It looks like the Vatican may throw a few Bishops under the bus, but claim it wasn't involved. It has already said the Vatican isn't like a corporation, the Bishops are free to do what they want.

    Really? Not what I was taught in Catholic school. I thought the Pope was their supreme ruler, and he appoints them. Plus I understood all the Cardinals held dual citizenship with the Vatican State. Now suddenly the bishops are all independent from the Vatican? Very interesting, and how convenient.
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    Apr 02, 2010 3:49 AM GMT
    The Top 10 Worst Popes in History ... *drum roll, please* (no bashing, just history)

    Coming in at Number 10 is....

    http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-worst-popes-in-history.php


    ...the Cadaver Synod by Pope Stephen VI is my favorite. ... and he only ranked as Number 5. ... icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:06 AM GMT
    leixguy saidyet another thread about bashing the Catholic church and as I am Catholic it is about bashing me as well, so thank you for insulting me! Im sure you wont be the last!




    I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools. But since you're making this about you, do you feel like the victim or the perps who molested boys or the ones who covered it all up?
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    leixguy saidyet another thread about bashing the Catholic church and as I am Catholic it is about bashing me as well, so thank you for insulting me! Im sure you wont be the last!



    It is the Catholic Church which is insulting to gays!

    Every human being is called to receive a gift of divine sonship, to become a child of God by grace. However, to receive this gift, we must reject sin, including homosexual behavior—that is, acts intended to arouse or stimulate a sexual response regarding a person of the same sex. The Catholic Church teaches that such acts are always violations of divine and natural law.

    Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.


    http://www.catholic.com/library/Homosexuality.asp

    Also, take into consideration all the work the Catholic church does to oppose same-sex marriage.

    BTW formerly Phemt here. I've left for a while, but see there is still no storage of GAY UNCLE TOMS here!!!
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:11 AM GMT



    OMG IT'S PHEMT!!

    Hey man, this is great! Welcome back, eh?

    -Doug
  • a2507

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    Apr 02, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    It's important to recognize that there's Rome and then, there's Catholics.
    There's a lot of good Catholics who abhor what Rome does and says in their names. So speaking truth to and about Rome is not attacking Catholics per se, no matter how it may feel to our young Irish friend.

    The profound and intrinsic moral disorder of Rome, with its perverse notions of human sexuality and its centuries of shameless lust after wealth and power (even over non-Catholics), is now revealed in its criminal conduct in conspiring to hide assaults of its paedophiles......not just in the US, but now also in Ireland, Germany, Italy and, no doubt, to be found elsewhere in the world.

    Just as the World Court has gone after other criminals, in Serbia, ex-Nazis, and Spain after Pinochet, the criminals of Rome: American bishops, Irish bishops, even cardinals and the Holy Father himself should be tried for what appear to be their crimes.....and if found innocent, cleared.....but if found guilty, then imprisoned. Note that in my estimation, the paedophiles are criminal but sick while those who engaged in criminal conspiracy to cover up those crimes are perhaps even worse, since they clearly know that what they did was wrong and have no excuse of mental illness to fall back on......
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:40 AM GMT
    leixguy saidyet another thread about bashing the Catholic church and as I am Catholic it is about bashing me as well, so thank you for insulting me! Im sure you wont be the last!


    hahahahahahahhahahah
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:46 AM GMT
    leixguy saidyet another thread about bashing the Catholic church and as I am Catholic it is about bashing me as well, so thank you for insulting me! Im sure you wont be the last!


    APRIL FOOLS
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:47 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    leixguy saidyet another thread about bashing the Catholic church and as I am Catholic it is about bashing me as well, so thank you for insulting me! Im sure you wont be the last!




    I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools. But since you're making this about you, do you feel like the victim or the perps who molested boys or the ones who covered it all up?


    Win.

    Can I make this personal too?

    See, my dad was molested by the Catholic church as a child. He grew up emotionally mute and struggled for 70 years to overcome it. He passed those traits on to me, unintentionally, as I modeled my behavior after him. It only took me 40 years and hundreds of hours of therapy at $90/hour to break out of my emotional shell.

    So yeah. Just like you Leix, between me and the Catholic church, it's personal. We have that in common.
  • Laurence

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    Apr 02, 2010 5:00 AM GMT
    Who cares about bleating Catholics (boo hoo, you're picking on me, boo hoo)?

    The Pope has spent years criticizing our lifestyles (and we weren't doing anything illegal), it's about time him and his buddies leant how it felt to be on the receiving end.

    Lozx

    ps. Sorry about your dad Iguana and the results of what happened to him. Hope you've resolved your issues - remember we all have issues, it's learning to live with them and not beat ourselves up about them. Nobody's perfect afterall, but we should love ourselves and try to be good people.
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    Apr 02, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    (And please, no revisionist nonsense that Benedict was "drafted" into the Nazi party. Party membership was elite, competitive and restricted, including the Hitler Youth. You had to apply and be selected over others. You may have been drafted into the German Army, but never into the Nazi party or the Hitler Youth. Benedict was a Nazi because he chose to be. Any competent historian will tell you that.)

    Oh?
    Red_Vespa said
    You may have been drafted into the German Army, but never into the Nazi party or the Hitler Youth.

    Oh?


    From The Law on the Hitler Youth of 1 December 1936:
    The future of the German nation depends upon its youth, and therefore German youth must be prepared for its future duties. The Reich Government has accordingly decided on the following law which is effective immediately:
    (1) The whole of the German youth within the borders of the Reich is organized in the Hitler Youth
    (2) All German young people, apart from being educated at home and at school, will be educated in the Hitler Youth physically, intellectually, and morally in the spirit of National Socialism to serve the nation and the community.
    ...

    And a few relevant snippets from the 1939 law that reaffirmed and expanded on the 1936 law:

    (1) The Youth Leader of the German Reich is exclusively responsible for all tasks concerning the physical, intellectual, and moral education of the whole of German youth in the territories of the Reich...

    (1) Length of service
    ...
    (ii) All young people are obliged from the age of 10 to their 19th birthday to serve in the Hitler Youth


    So um...... it seems like you could in fact be drafted into the Hitler Youth.

    I'm just gonna go sit with a politely incredulous look on my face and ponder this revisionist nonsense concept.
  • mynyun

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    Apr 02, 2010 9:25 AM GMT
    I apologize ahead for those who may be offended by what I have to say but I do NOT sympathize with the Catholic Church at ALL.!!!! This has been going on for far too long and should be brought into the light where they can be held accountable for all of their mistakes.
    I wouldn't feel the way I feel about them if they didn't preach against EVERY SINGLE THING under the sun. This is a sin, that is a sin, it's all a sin. But then hold themselves above everyone. Telling us how masturbation is bad or how we should abstain from sex or how condoms are bad or whatever. I mean the Pope and all looks down on EVERYTHING. I don't think religion should be a breeze and convenient but I get headaches just talking with my Catholic friend sometimes because of how hypocritic they are.
    So here they are, holier than thou, caught molesting little boys and preaching against homosexuality and the television and newspapers want accountability. I am interesting in how this turns out.
    However I think the Pope will (borrow some lube from his priests and) slide out of this.

    Happy Ostara.
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    Apr 02, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
    a2507 saidIt's important to recognize that there's Rome and then, there's Catholics.
    There's a lot of good Catholics who abhor what Rome does and says in their names. So speaking truth to and about Rome is not attacking Catholics per se, no matter how it may feel to our young Irish friend.

    The profound and intrinsic moral disorder of Rome, with its perverse notions of human sexuality and its centuries of shameless lust after wealth and power (even over non-Catholics), is now revealed in its criminal conduct in conspiring to hide assaults of its paedophiles......not just in the US, but now also in Ireland, Germany, Italy and, no doubt, to be found elsewhere in the world.

    Just as the World Court has gone after other criminals, in Serbia, ex-Nazis, and Spain after Pinochet, the criminals of Rome: American bishops, Irish bishops, even cardinals and the Holy Father himself should be tried for what appear to be their crimes.....and if found innocent, cleared.....but if found guilty, then imprisoned. Note that in my estimation, the paedophiles are criminal but sick while those who engaged in criminal conspiracy to cover up those crimes are perhaps even worse, since they clearly know that what they did was wrong and have no excuse of mental illness to fall back on......



    Let us not forgot Catholics make Rome possible. Church is a voluntary association (assuming there is no official state church where you live). IF Catholics stop supporting the church Rome wouldn't have any power. When you choose to support a church you are thereby giving support and strength to that church to press its agenda. If that church is not inline with your values you should give serious thought to stop supporting that church and maybe find another.

    If your values include:
    Homosexual desires should not be acted on
    Civil Same-sex marriage should be opposed
    Paedophiles should be protected and allowed to continue molesting children
    Condoms should not be used to prevent AIDS in Africa
    Mastrubation is wrong
    ....

    Then the Catholic Church might you the church for you.
  • leixguy

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    Apr 02, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    people can criticise aspects of the churches teachings and should condemn any priest or nun found to have molested children (and also those who helped cover up the acts- including many people outside of the church) but it is not fair to openly insult and try to tar every member of the church with the same brush.
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    Apr 02, 2010 8:32 PM GMT
    leixguy saidpeople can criticise aspects of the churches teachings and should condemn any priest or nun found to have molested children (and also those who helped cover up the acts- including many people outside of the church) but it is not fair to openly insult and try to tar every member of the church with the same brush.

    Just a piece of advice, quit trying. Attempting to explain or defend theology to some of these people is like trying to explain to a Baptist why gay marriage should be legal.
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    Apr 02, 2010 8:35 PM GMT
    Good, because after all the spiritual and psychological torture that church put me through from the age of 13-18, I consider it karma.
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    Apr 02, 2010 8:52 PM GMT
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    leixguy saidpeople can criticise aspects of the churches teachings and should condemn any priest or nun found to have molested children (and also those who helped cover up the acts- including many people outside of the church) but it is not fair to openly insult and try to tar every member of the church with the same brush.

    Just a piece of advice, quit trying. Attempting to explain or defend theology to some of these people is like trying to explain to a Baptist why gay marriage should be legal.


    Or to the Catholic Church!
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    Apr 02, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    leixguy saidpeople can criticise aspects of the churches teachings and should condemn any priest or nun found to have molested children (and also those who helped cover up the acts- including many people outside of the church) but it is not fair to openly insult and try to tar every member of the church with the same brush.

    I don't think anyone is saying they don't like Catholics. Mostly people just dislike the church itself.
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    Apr 02, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
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    leixguy saidpeople can criticise aspects of the churches teachings and should condemn any priest or nun found to have molested children (and also those who helped cover up the acts- including many people outside of the church) but it is not fair to openly insult and try to tar every member of the church with the same brush.

    I don't think anyone is saying they don't like Catholics. Mostly people just dislike the church itself.


    And therein lies the nut of the issue. How many times in history have we heard the following?

    But I was just a member of XXX. I never participated or condoned YYY, and certainly didn't know anything about those things at the time. I joined XXX with the best of intentions, like many others did. So it's important to make a distinction between the leadership of XXX and someone like me, who's just a member.

    We've heard this WAY too many times in history.

    WAY too many.

    I'll be more specific... Who and what IS the Catholic church, anyway? Is it some disembodied organism in Rome that exists independently from individual Catholics? What is the relationship between a member of a group and its leadership? If the leadership's views and actions veer far enough away from an individual member's views and actions, what does that imply for the leadership, the member, and for others outside the group?

    Insert some famous religious or political organizations into this little puzzle and it may illuminate some interesting lessons from history.

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    Apr 02, 2010 9:42 PM GMT
    but why is it always the Catholic church that comes in for all the criticism , when most christian churches have similar teachings to the catholic church.

    and everyone here keeps going on about how the catholic church teaches that being gay is a sin, i of course know that is the official line of the church (as it is in most churches cause guess what - that's what it says in the bible) but i have never once heard any priest mention it, they simply don't broach the subject (here at least).
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    leixguy saidbut why is it always the Catholic church that comes in for all the criticism , when most christian churches have similar teachings to the catholic church.

    and everyone here keeps going on about how the catholic church teaches that being gay is a sin, i of course know that is the official line of the church (as it is in most churches cause guess what - that's what it says in the bible) but i have never once heard any priest mention it, they simply don't broach the subject (here at least).


    Just like you haven't heard any priests over here openly acknowledge the sexual abuse that they have either commited, covered up, or condoned on our nation's children for centuries.

    NOTE: There is nothing wrong with believing in God, or believing in the word of Christ, but no one can justify being a member of ANY organised religion. I believe in the faith, not the religion.