Can Animals Be Gay???

  • Csrobbie2000

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    Apr 01, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    A very interesting article from the NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/magazine/04animals-t.html?pagewanted=1&ref=homepage&src=me&adxnnlx=1270161017-79gBNOb8nagcND 8bB7j5A
  • Delivis

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    Apr 01, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    Look in the mirror and you know the answer to the question of if there are gay animals.

    Why of why is this still written about, i wonder. It would be highly surprising to find species entirely without homosexual behavior. A wide range of sexual orientation has been known about by biologists since long before I was born and yet it is still so surprising, even shocking, to many people. I guess mostly to those who like to say homosexuality is "not natural".
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    Apr 02, 2010 12:43 AM GMT
    Yes Csrobbie many species of animals display gay behavior. Are you just NOW discovering this?
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    Apr 02, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    Yes. Old news. Though there are still people who refuse to believe it.
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    Apr 02, 2010 2:07 AM GMT
    yes...
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Apr 02, 2010 2:09 AM GMT
    besides us humans it's giraffes, seagulls (they choose lesbianism) and dolphins
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    Apr 02, 2010 2:30 AM GMT
    my dog was a lesbian
  • GQjock

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    Apr 02, 2010 3:15 AM GMT
    I read it ....

    It was a very interesting article
    and it brought up a very interesting question

    Are we so heterosexually biased that we do not look at biological science with a completely objective eye
    Darwinism puts the need to procreate at the top of the evolutionary ladder
    So where does all this homosexuality come from
    Either Darwinism is Not all there is .... meaning the mail aim in life isn't to pass on your genes
    or
    there is something about homosexuality that is biologically advantageous
    and that is why we keep seeing it on every level
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    Apr 02, 2010 3:24 AM GMT
    friend of a friend has a gay dog - it's great icon_razz.gif

    Look up "biological exuberance" if you're really interested - it's kinda boring with few pictures but VERY insightful
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    Apr 02, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    My dog exhibits this constantly. We sent him to a therapist. Turns out he just likes everything, including water coolers.
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    Apr 02, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    Wasn't there an article on gay penguins? If I recall correctly, the penguin couple adopted an egg the other penguins rejected, and they successfully hatched it.

    Also, I think all male rabbits are bisexual. But then, they hump anything that moves. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:06 AM GMT
    Bonobo Monkey's are very hypersexual, or pansexual, they will try to screw anythingicon_lol.gificon_exclaim.gif
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:12 AM GMT
    Jonah Lehrer wrote about this a little while back : http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/the_gay_animal_kingdom/

    He is coming Thursday to give a talk at a conference here in Illinois. You should all come, it is open to the public.
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:26 AM GMT
    When I was a kid, I had some gay pet ducks...or maybe they were bi?
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:26 AM GMT
    Does a bear shit in the woods?
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:28 AM GMT
    TheIStrat saidDoes a bear shit in the woods?

    Only if he has Charmin.
  • inuman

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    Apr 02, 2010 4:32 AM GMT
    Yes animals are gay, our cat is gay, keeps showing us his ass all the time icon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 02, 2010 4:33 AM GMT
    TrowelMonger said
    TheIStrat saidDoes a bear shit in the woods?

    Only if he has Charmin.


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    Apr 02, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    GQjock saidI read it ....

    It was a very interesting article
    and it brought up a very interesting question

    Are we so heterosexually biased that we do not look at biological science with a completely objective eye
    Darwinism puts the need to procreate at the top of the evolutionary ladder
    So where does all this homosexuality come from
    Either Darwinism is Not all there is .... meaning the mail aim in life isn't to pass on your genes
    or
    there is something about homosexuality that is biologically advantageous
    and that is why we keep seeing it on every level


    FYI:

    1) "Darwinism" is not a term used by evolutionary biologists or people who use Darwin's theory of Natural Selection as one of the many tools in their basket to understand life on our planet (e.g. Mendel's laws and modern genetics, archeology, and anthropology, to name a few). It tends to be a term still used by creationists, social scientists, and others to either bash his theories, or to apply them to realms where they are completely inappropriate. On the next two points, I'm going to swap out your use of the term "Darwinism" and replace it with "Natural Selection" because "Darwinism" only means whatever the speaker using it decides it means, so it's impossible to have a discussion with that noun as the basis.

    2) On the "not all there is" statement: well, of course Natural Selection is not all there is. Like all other tools of science, including general and special relativity, quantum mechanics, Newton's laws of gravity, and countless more examples, they are only intended to answer specific sets of questions about specific things. Ideally, you'd like a theory to answer more questions than less, but dissing a theory because it's "not all there is" is kinda odd, since Intel uses quantum theory in the layout of their latest chips, even tho it's "not all there is", and we've sent men to the moon using Newton's laws of gravity, even tho they are also, famously, "not all there is."

    3) As to the supposition that homosexuality "must be biologically advantageous" -- this is also false. Natural selection doesn't prohibit mutations or variants, it just seeks to explain why some survive and others don't. That has never meant that we won't continue to see people with freckles, even tho it is a recessive trait that is clearly functionally deficient with respect to other more melanin-rich skin types (sun burns, skin cancer, etc.). Your logic is also justifying the existence of freckles because "it is biologically advantageous." This is misunderstanding natural selection.

    4) The fact that this type of thread (i.e. "Hey look at this startling fact! Animals are gay!!! OMFG!!!!") appears on RJ every 3 or 4 months is truly depressing, and shows the sad state of basic science education in the US. This is not news to anyone with even a basic grounding in biology and reproduction. And as others noted already, it's even worse. Many people have heard these facts and simply reject them because they tend to inconvenience their crackpot theories about how their fantasy world operates.

    So there's my asshole stuck up high horse rant on this topic. Sorry, it's my time of the month.

    MSUBioNerd, can you please take over? I'm too cranky.
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    Apr 02, 2010 5:40 AM GMT
    iguanaSF said


    4) The fact that this type of thread (i.e. "Hey look at this startling fact! Animals are gay!!! OMFG!!!!") appears on RJ every 3 or 4 months is truly depressing, and shows the sad state of basic science education in the US. This is not news to anyone with even a basic grounding in biology and reproduction. .


    ... or to anybody who grew up on a farm.
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    Apr 02, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    yep, I had a dog that was gay.
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    Apr 02, 2010 10:12 AM GMT
    My dogs are all bi. They'll mount anything - male or female! icon_lol.gif