Your question intrigued me. Traditionally, statistics show that catholic countries have more alcohol consumption than protestant countries. Something you (nickofthenorth) should consider in your discussion of this. The culture across denomination is very different, and like one person said, many denominations define themselves as being not-catholic. By the way, the overwhelming opinion I've felt from various discussions on here is very anti-Christian and anti-theistic. So, its no surprise that eb925guy thinks you are threatening Christianity. (Xty for short)
My experience is that rural people drink more, not because of religion, but because there isn't a darn thing to do out there but stare at the cows and have a beer. I grew up in Wyoming, spent some time in Montana, now I'm in Texas. Wyoming and Montana are not your typical rural Prot states. They have a significant number of RCCs in them, colonial-type religious like the Hutterites, as well as people who don't claim to be religious. Also, my friends who came from strict fundamentalist upbringings that condemned alcohol were more likely to fly wildly in the opposite direction. My RCC friends were the ones who had been drinking since they were 12, knew moderation, and could give me a complete history of wine and beer, the different types, and what was good vs. crap. A friend of mine goes to a RCC college and when I visited him I was impressed to find that the majority detested normal "college" beers (i.e. bud light, keystone, etc) and glorified finer beers (shiner, Guinness, harp, modelo, etc), scowled upon drunkeness, and touted a motto from some saint that they were to drink to hilarity and no further.
Thus, rural alcohol culture is not something that goes with religion at all, but simply the phrase "idle hands are the devil's playground."NickoftheNorth, eb925guy and demarco4u:
Mormons claim to be Xians and espouse a doctrine that proclaims Christ. However, the majority of Xian denominations do not include them as a Xian denomination because of their difference in the the doctrine that Jesus is God himself (traditional Trinitarian formula, 3 persons in one being), but that he is literally the son of God (a separate being) whose brother is Satan. Changing the nature of the trinity is changing the nature of the faith itself. Then there's the becoming a god yourself of your own planet... not even going to go there. The structure and practice of the Mormon Church is an evolution of the Masonic rituals that has been "protestant-ized", something else some Prots have issues with, although over all the Masons are accepted by the various denoms. The conflict the Prots have with the RCC is historical and doctrinal. Tradition and Scripture vs Scripture alone, church leadership/hierarchy and papal authority, etc. Demarco4u:
In regards to Mormonism as an Western American phenomenon, I would join it again to the expansion of Masonic movements in the West and the foundations of America by the Masons. Only a couple of the signers of the declaration were not Masons. (This is beginning to sound like National Treasure, but I assure you, what I say is true as a former masonic youth member.) Also, the rejection of Catholicism, and its conflict with Masons, is built into the founding of America and is argued by some to be the last 'acceptable' prejudice in the country. BTW: the 'ethos of constantine' would be something that Catholics would be associated with much more than prots, considering from Constantine until the end of the Holy Roman Empire and the creation of Germany there is a strong connection between the pope and the emperor. XruggerATX
: Being from Texas, you should know that's not true. While the lower-incomes have more public drunkenness, it is the middle and upper-middle classes that have the highest drinking and alcoholism because they have the disposible income to do it and they think by drinking they'll appear more affluent.chuckystud
: Ouch... such biting remarks. Actually, if you refer back to some of my comments above regarding my Catholic friends, they tend to be fairly well-educated in their alcohol selections. This is always accompanied by a large dose of intellectualism that comes from the 2000 year history of the RCC. Catholicism is by its nature and intellectualist religion in that Heaven for them is the Beatific Vision.. namely contemplating God through the intellect because in heaven, the will rests. There is no higher good than God, so there is nothing for the will to reach out towards. It's not a loss of free will, its just the will is totally satisfied. There is no higher joy for them, then that. Only the Catholic Church can claim the Summa Theologica... Aquinas, the greatest and most influential philosopher between Aristotle and Descartes. If you want to check it out www.newadvent.org
, it will take you several years to read and is a complete logical proof of the faith beginning with The Existence of God (with five different proofs). So, chucky... I don't know about you, but it doesn't seem to me that religious people are all that ignorant. Oh and just FYI: the poorest and more illiterate places are usually Democrats... example: New Orleans and Louisiana who has one of the worst ed systems in the US. Also, as a psychology student, conformity occurs most commonly in larger groups where there is a deferment of responsibility and in groups with little to no outside influence.