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    Apr 03, 2010 2:00 AM GMT
    I love Gail Collins:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/opinion/01collins.html?ref=opinion
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    Apr 03, 2010 4:34 PM GMT
    I love Romney and would vote for him in a heartbeat over Obama. Romney has extensive economic experience. He started his own VERY successful consulting business and worked this company for decades. His company advised struggling companies how to find success in the market. This is exactly the type of private sector business we need in a president. Romney was also hand picked to turn around the Olympics in UT. He experienced great success turning the Olympics around from fraud and poor money management. Romney was also a executive leader as governor in a very blue state of MA so he understands how to work with liberals and conservatives alike.

    Romney would be a very ideal economic president in these tough times.
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    Apr 03, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    PAstud21 saidI love Romney and would vote for him in a heartbeat over Obama. Romney has extensive economic experience. He started his own VERY successful consulting business and worked this company for decades. His company advised struggling companies how to find success in the market. This is exactly the type of private sector business we need in a president. Romney was also hand picked to turn around the Olympics in UT. He experienced great success turning the Olympics around from fraud and poor money management. Romney was also a executive leader as governor in a very blue state of MA so he understands how to work with liberals and conservatives alike.

    Romney would be a very ideal economic president in these tough times.
    he'll prolly be our next President, given the current crop of loosers available.... icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 03, 2010 5:12 PM GMT
    PAstud21 saidRomney was also a executive leader as governor in a very blue state of MA so he understands how to work with liberals and conservatives alike.

    Romney would be a very ideal economic president in these tough times.


    Ask anyone who lived through his governorship here in Massachusetts. No way do we want him as President. Talks a good game, looks good in pictures. Terrible as a leader when he has to work with others.
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    Apr 03, 2010 5:31 PM GMT
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    PAstud21 saidRomney was also a executive leader as governor in a very blue state of MA so he understands how to work with liberals and conservatives alike.

    Romney would be a very ideal economic president in these tough times.


    Ask anyone who lived through his governorship here in Massachusetts. No way do we want him as President. Talks a good game, looks good in pictures. Terrible as a leader when he has to work with others.


    First off, Romney was a republican in what most feel is the most liberal state in America. This is like a kitten walking into a lions den. A poll 6 months ago revealed the people of MA would choose Romney over the current governor Patrick.

    Another fact is Romney walked into office with a deficit of approx $1.2 B and after 3 yrs Romney had the state running at a 700 M surplus. After that he lowered taxes. I am sure a lot of his moves were controversial b/c MA is used to liberal policies and quite frankly Romney was very moderate in some cases. Tough choices were made but bottom line when you have a deficit you STOP SPENDING and create avenues of revenue to boost the bottom line.

    Bottom line, the man has plenty of executive and economic experience to manage a country as a whole. He also has experience with working with liberals and conservatives. He sorta reminds me of a Clinton who was governor in a red state and was able to work with both parties as president. Romney in my opinion could easily be the Clinton of the GOP.
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    PAstud21 saidRomney was also a executive leader as governor in a very blue state of MA so he understands how to work with liberals and conservatives alike.

    Romney would be a very ideal economic president in these tough times.


    Ask anyone who lived through his governorship here in Massachusetts. No way do we want him as President. Talks a good game, looks good in pictures. Terrible as a leader when he has to work with others.



    One of the reasons Mass. people are jaded about Romney is that they all feel used. We've had plenty of GOP governors in recent years, despite our state's obvious liberal position. But Romney had no interest in being governor, used the position to get political "experience" on his resume, and couldn't wait to get the hell outa here. Our lt. gov. ran the state for the final eight months of Romney's single term in office, because he was off running for president just a few short years after being elected here. We have had success with GOP governors over the years, but people are jaded by Romney because he ditched the state and we all felt used. lol

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    Apr 03, 2010 5:46 PM GMT
    Didn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?
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    Apr 03, 2010 6:01 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidDidn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?


    No question his management experience is there. But don't be too fooled by the Olympics budget mess. Many people say he overstated the problem when he took over, that financing had already been secured to close the budget deficit. I'm not saying I don't like Romney, just think that his role in "saving" the Olympics is often exaggerated. And, like when he was gov of Mass., his political ambitions were always right under the surface when he was running Salt Lake.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part5_main/

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    Apr 03, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    If only Mitt Romney had followed in his father's foot steps. George Romney was the governor of Michigan from 1963-1969 and Secretary of Housing during the first term of the Nixon administration. He ran for the Republican presidential nomination for president in 1968. He was called the liberal Republican and tried to move the party in that direction. He was pro-choice, pro-union, and worked for civil rights during a time of troubled race relations in Detroit. Mitt Romney had some of the same beliefs as his father, but changed to get in order to get a name in an increasingly conservative Republican party.
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    Apr 03, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    heartrobb saidIf only Mitt Romney had followed in his father's foot steps. George Romney was the governor of Michigan from 1963-1969 and Secretary of Housing during the first term of the Nixon administration. He ran for the Republican presidential nomination for president in 1968. He was called the liberal Republican and tried to move the party in that direction. He was pro-choice, pro-union, and worked for civil rights during a time of troubled race relations in Detroit. Mitt Romney had some of the same beliefs as his father, but changed to get in order to get a name in an increasingly conservative Republican party.


    Unions back then were much more relevant than today. Unions, generally speaking, have turned away from a working mans friend and bi partisan pro business approach to a greedy CEO anti business greedy group of folks.

    There are way too many Union leaders more concerned about the dollar than their people actually working hard and doing the right thing. See auto bailouts.


    Saying this, there are a few good standing unions out there who still value a hard working deserving individual but most of them have gone into the gutter.
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    Apr 03, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
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    TheIStrat saidDidn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?


    No question his management experience is there. But don't be too fooled by the Olympics budget mess. Many people say he overstated the problem when he took over, that financing had already been secured to close the budget deficit. I'm not saying I don't like Romney, just think that his role in "saving" the Olympics is often exaggerated. And, like when he was gov of Mass., his political ambitions were always right under the surface when he was running Salt Lake.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part5_main/




    Anyone can twist and turn things but the bottom line is this: Romney was recruited to save the Olympics. Romeny most definitely did a absolute stellar job and the fact is the Olympics was turned around. If there wasn't a problem then why was he recruited? The one person in this article said Romney was "mean". haha who gives a flying ----. Does this person want a tissue? The job was done. Period.

    Ambitious? So what? This is America and ambitious is a GREAT thing. Its about being ambitious and overall ethical and moral and doing the right thing. Romney is that guy. Perfect? Heck no. Overall though Romney has experienced SUCCESS in the private sector, turning around the Olympics and as governor of MA he turned a deficit into a surplus while also being able to lower taxes for folks late in his term. You can twist crap all day but at the end of the day results is what matters. This goes for liberals, conservatives, moderates, etc.
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    Apr 03, 2010 8:08 PM GMT
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    TheIStrat saidDidn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?


    No question his management experience is there. But don't be too fooled by the Olympics budget mess. Many people say he overstated the problem when he took over, that financing had already been secured to close the budget deficit. I'm not saying I don't like Romney, just think that his role in "saving" the Olympics is often exaggerated. And, like when he was gov of Mass., his political ambitions were always right under the surface when he was running Salt Lake.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part5_main/




    Anyone can twist and turn things but the bottom line is this: Romney was recruited to save the Olympics. Romeny most definitely did a absolute stellar job and the fact is the Olympics was turned around.

    Ambitious? So what? This is America and ambitious is a GREAT thing. Its about being ambitious and overall ethical and moral and doing the right thing. Romney is that guy. Perfect? Heck no. Overall though Romney has experienced SUCCESS in the private sector, turning around the Olympics and as governor of MA he turned a deficit into a surplus while also being able to lower taxes for folks late in his term. You can twist crap all day but at the end of the day results is what matters. This goes for liberals, conservatives, moderates, etc.



    Dude I don't disagree with your basic premise. But remember, "twisting it around" can be done from any direction. I actually am not anti-Romney. But let's just be clear that you're correct when you say he's not perfect. He had some success in business (though if you read about his time at Bane, you'll find that he was cut-throat and, many say, heartless... that's business, but just keep it in mind that Bain's MO was to buy failing businesses, cut the fuck out of them, including jobs, and sell them for a profit); he had success with the Olympics (but calling him the savior of the Olympics is a stretch, if you read the reality of the situation he inherited - few think the games wouldn't have gone on without him); he had some success as governor of Mass. (but remember, he served one term during an economic boom and so there truthfully isn't a lot to measure there, especially since he went on the national campaign trail three years into his term). Does all of that mean he wouldn't make a good president. No. But it also doesn't demonstrate definitively that he will.

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    TheIStrat saidDidn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?


    No question his management experience is there. But don't be too fooled by the Olympics budget mess. Many people say he overstated the problem when he took over, that financing had already been secured to close the budget deficit. I'm not saying I don't like Romney, just think that his role in "saving" the Olympics is often exaggerated. And, like when he was gov of Mass., his political ambitions were always right under the surface when he was running Salt Lake.

    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part5_main/




    Anyone can twist and turn things but the bottom line is this: Romney was recruited to save the Olympics. Romeny most definitely did a absolute stellar job and the fact is the Olympics was turned around.

    Ambitious? So what? This is America and ambitious is a GREAT thing. Its about being ambitious and overall ethical and moral and doing the right thing. Romney is that guy. Perfect? Heck no. Overall though Romney has experienced SUCCESS in the private sector, turning around the Olympics and as governor of MA he turned a deficit into a surplus while also being able to lower taxes for folks late in his term. You can twist crap all day but at the end of the day results is what matters. This goes for liberals, conservatives, moderates, etc.



    Dude I don't disagree with your basic premise. But remember, "twisting it around" can be done from any direction. I actually am not anti-Romney. But let's just be clear that you're correct when you say he's not perfect. He had some success in business (though if you read about his time at Bane, you'll find that he was cut-throat and, many say, heartless... that's business, but just keep it in mind that Bain's MO was to buy failing businesses, cut the fuck out of them, including jobs, and sell them for a profit); he had success with the Olympics (but calling him the savior of the Olympics is a stretch, if you read the reality of the situation he inherited - few think the games wouldn't have gone on without him); he had some success as governor of Mass. (but remember, he served one term during an economic boom and so there truthfully isn't a lot to measure there, especially since he went on the national campaign trail three years into his term). Does all of that mean he wouldn't make a good president. No. But it also doesn't demonstrate definitively that he will.




    I understand twisting can go both way but at the end of the day Romney was recruited for many reasons----main one being the Olympics was a mess--- and the Olympics turned around and became a success.

    As far as his private sector experience sometimes you have to slash jobs to create a stronger and more productive company. In turn, you will be able to hire much more in the future. Business is business. You cant be running a non profitable company.

    Personally for me Romney is overall a very ethical and moral guy. He has tons of experience and i dont really see any shady behavior. The he say she says crap doesnt fly or that he was too mean or cut throat. Well, i can tell you in my business that i run i have things going full steam ahead and i work in a extremely ethical way however there are a few folks who dont like me...and it has NOTHING to do with me treating this person in a wrong way. Things happen even when you are ethical.
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    Apr 03, 2010 8:20 PM GMT
    Romney is just fundamentally unlikeable.
    He's the Republican version of Al Gore.
    He also has a long history of blatant and craven flip-flops.

    The American people will never warm up to a cold fish like Romney.
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    Apr 03, 2010 8:22 PM GMT
    I never said he was unethical or immoral - in fact it's probably his best selling point (ignoring for a moment the very minor point that he employed illegal immigrants to cut his lawn and clean his house). But if you are going say he kicked ass as a businessman, it's important to remember he was buying, burning, and selling. If you say he kicked ass as governor of a state, you have to remember that his very short term was during an economic boom and was already following in the footsteps of at least three consecutive successful Republican governors (including the beloved Bill Weld)... he was not a trailblazing GOP in a liberal state. I'm just keeping the Jesus talk in check, that's all. icon_smile.gif He DID win the GOP presidential primary in Mass., although it was only with slightly more than 50% of the vote... as the former governor you'd expect that percentage to be quite a bit higher, no?

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    Apr 03, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
    This sounds like a thread one might read on a Republican party website...the only criteria for evaluating the success of a governorship is whether taxes went up or down. Re-read the above posts in praise of Romney's administration and count how often the word "taxes" appears.

    I'd like taxes as low as possible too, but I'd also like good grade schools, affordable public universities, environmental protection, lots of public land, good mass transit throughout the state, and, oh yeah, equality for all in the eyes of the law. Why is it necessary to remind folks on this site that Romney single-handedly kept Massachusetts from becoming the first state to recognize the constitutional right of gay and lesbians to marry the person they love. That changed the year after his departure.

    So great. During Romney's administration the state income tax was lowered from 5.7% to 5.3, and you had a few more bucks in your pocket while state funding of schools, aid to municipalities, environmental protection, etc. tanked, and your right to marry the person you love was ridiculed by a governor defending the "tradition" (the Mormon tradition?) of marriage and family.

    I don't know what you have to show for those few extra bucks you may have had in your pocket during Romney's governorship, but there are thousands of gay and lesbian couples in our state who benefited hugely from his departure. They are now married, and enjoy all the benefits, among them economic, that comes with that.
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    Apr 03, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
    Well I don't know anything about Mitt Romney but from what I've read above, even if he did have a more "liberal" slant to things at one time (and I'm all for "conservative" meaning responsible fiscal policy) but the problem is it seems they all wind up pandering to the extreme right wing part of the party instead of trying to inject some sanity into the craziness. If a major Republican candidate came in and said they would take some drastic steps to get us back on track financially but still supported repeal of DADT, DOMA and supported the RFA and gay "marriage", then I'd vote for them. As long as they continue associate with the Tea Partiers and extremists, I'd rather take my chances with the Democrats or a liberal leaning Independent.
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    Apr 03, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist saidThis sounds like a thread one might read on a Republican party website...the only criteria for evaluating the success of a governorship is whether taxes went up or down. Re-read the above posts in praise of Romney's administration and count how often the word "taxes" appears.

    I'd like taxes as low as possible too, but I'd also like good grade schools, affordable public universities, environmental protection, lots of public lands, good mass transit throughout the state, and, oh yeah, equality for all in the eyes of the law. Why is it even necessary to remind folks on this site that Romney single-handedly kept Massachusetts from becoming the first state to recognize the constitutional right of gay and lesbians to marry the person they loved. That changed the year after his departure.

    So great. During Romney's administration the state income tax was lowered from 5.7% to 5.3, and you had a few more bucks in your pocket while state funding of schools, aid to municipalities, etc. tanked, and your right to marry the person you love was ridiculed by our governor defending the "tradition" (the Mormon tradition?) of marriage and family.

    I don't know what you have to show for those few extra bucks you may have had in your pocket during Romney's governorship, but there are thousands of gay and lesbian couples in our state who benefited hugely from his departure. They are now married, and enjoy all the benefits, among them economic, that comes with that.


    Not sure why you say you'd read this on a Republican Party website... there's been only one person saying Romney's awesome. That means you probably didn't read through the thread. Oh well.
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    OutdoorAdventurist saidThis sounds like a thread one might read on a Republican party website...the only criteria for evaluating the success of a governorship is whether taxes went up or down. Re-read the above posts in praise of Romney's administration and count how often the word "taxes" appears.

    I'd like taxes as low as possible too, but I'd also like good grade schools, affordable public universities, environmental protection, lots of public lands, good mass transit throughout the state, and, oh yeah, equality for all in the eyes of the law. Why is it even necessary to remind folks on this site that Romney single-handedly kept Massachusetts from becoming the first state to recognize the constitutional right of gay and lesbians to marry the person they loved. That changed the year after his departure.

    So great. During Romney's administration the state income tax was lowered from 5.7% to 5.3, and you had a few more bucks in your pocket while state funding of schools, aid to municipalities, etc. tanked, and your right to marry the person you love was ridiculed by our governor defending the "tradition" (the Mormon tradition?) of marriage and family.

    I don't know what you have to show for those few extra bucks you may have had in your pocket during Romney's governorship, but there are thousands of gay and lesbian couples in our state who benefited hugely from his departure. They are now married, and enjoy all the benefits, among them economic, that comes with that.



    Spending is not the driving force into successful social programs. FYI

    Also, whoever said this is something you would read on a republican website. Look, i am one citizen with my own views. I have zero stake with any GOP candidate whatsoever. This "big machine' mentality is nonsense. Personally, Romney is not exactly my ideal conservative candidate but i do have high respect for him and would trust him with the economy---especially over 0% experience BO. At least with Romney we have a shot at turning around the private sector without skyrocketing the annual and national deficits.

    Another thing and i am so tired of saying this but the world does not center around gay issues. Quite frankly, almost all of the dems also oppose gay marriage and gay rights for me is not #1. America as a whole is #1. I am not that closed minded to only look at gay rights.....i mean seriously come on.. Its about turning America around and not only worrying about turning gay rights around.

    Romney, Palin, McCain, Huckabee, whoever-----they really dont give two shits if we like guys.
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    Apr 03, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
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    Not sure why you say you'd read this on a Republican Party website... there's been only one person saying Romney's awesome. That means you probably didn't read through the thread. Oh well.

    PAstud21: "I love Romney.... as governor of MA he turned a deficit into a surplus while also being able to lower taxes for folks late in his term....Unions, generally speaking, have turned away from a working mans friend and bi partisan pro business approach to a greedy CEO anti business greedy group of folks...i do have high respect for him and would trust him with the economy---especially over 0% experience BO. At least with Romney we have a shot at turning around the private sector without skyrocketing the annual and national deficits."

    rnch: "he'll prolly (sic) be our next President, given the current crop of loosers available...."

    ThelStrat: "Didn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?"

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    Apr 03, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist saidDJdorchester said

    Not sure why you say you'd read this on a Republican Party website... there's been only one person saying Romney's awesome. That means you probably didn't read through the thread. Oh well.


    PAstud21: "I love Romney.... as governor of MA he turned a deficit into a surplus while also being able to lower taxes for folks late in his term....Unions, generally speaking, have turned away from a working mans friend and bi partisan pro business approach to a greedy CEO anti business greedy group of folks...i do have high respect for him and would trust him with the economy---especially over 0% experience BO. At least with Romney we have a shot at turning around the private sector without skyrocketing the annual and national deficits."

    rnch: "he'll prolly (sic) be our next President, given the current crop of loosers available...."

    ThelStrat: "Didn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?"



    And who was the post originator??? Do you think this would be found on a republican website? Also the the other two quotes does not imply they support or do not support Romney. What are you talking about?
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    Apr 03, 2010 10:08 PM GMT
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    OutdoorAdventurist saidDJdorchester said

    Not sure why you say you'd read this on a Republican Party website... there's been only one person saying Romney's awesome. That means you probably didn't read through the thread. Oh well.


    PAstud21: "I love Romney.... as governor of MA he turned a deficit into a surplus while also being able to lower taxes for folks late in his term....Unions, generally speaking, have turned away from a working mans friend and bi partisan pro business approach to a greedy CEO anti business greedy group of folks...i do have high respect for him and would trust him with the economy---especially over 0% experience BO. At least with Romney we have a shot at turning around the private sector without skyrocketing the annual and national deficits."

    rnch: "he'll prolly (sic) be our next President, given the current crop of loosers available...."

    ThelStrat: "Didn't he lead the Salt Lake City Olympics from near-bankruptcy to a huge profit in 2002?"



    And who was the post originator??? Do you think this would be found on a republican website? Also the the other two quotes does not imply they support or do not support Romney. What are you talking about?


    I wasn't sure I'd ever say this to you, but thank you!!!

    Did someone here think I was a Republican or that I started this thread to praise Mitt Romney? (No need to answer that.) I'd say "God forbid anyone should think such a thing of me" if I wasn't a confirmed atheist. Well, a bar mitzvah'd atheist.

    Meanwhile, I do have a question for you: Since you seem to be so against "Obamacare," how do you feel about Romney's healthcare legislation in Mass.?

    Meanwhile, I just noticed that I put this thread in the wrong section. Wish I could just up and move the whole thing to the right section (or, as southbeach1500 might say, "the left section").
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    Apr 05, 2010 7:56 PM GMT
    I have heard a lot of both pros and cons about Mitt Romney. I know that he is a successful businessman that helped the winter olympics in Utah and I know about his one term as governor of Massachusetts but I am not familiar with his overall ratings as governor. I would much rather see Mitt Romney become the 2012 GOP presidential candidate than that dumbass bible thumping dingbat from Alaska, Sarah Palin.
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    roadbikeRob saidI have heard a lot of both pros and cons about Mitt Romney. I know that he is a successful businessman that helped the winter olympics in Utah and I know about his one term as governor of Massachusetts but I am not familiar with his overall ratings as governor. I would much rather see Mitt Romney become the 2012 GOP presidential candidate than that dumbass bible thumping dingbat from Alaska, Sarah Palin.


    I don't think either of them will be the nominee. Even many of those who like Palin realize she'd never be elected and Romney is not trusted by enough of the primary voters because he's flip-flopped so much. Indeed, it's now widely accepted that Obamacare and Romneycare are too close for comfort. Romney's actually been out trying to combat the idea but I think the more he does that, the more trouble he makes for himself.
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    Apr 06, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    Romney's problem in the primary came from him trying to seem more socially conservative than he probably is in reality. This in turn made him a "flip-flopper" compared to when he ran in Mass. His religion hurts him on a national level. Also the fact that his healthcare system he got passed in Mass is similar to Obamacare, it hurts him with true conservatives.

    I think if he got back to his roots as a problem solver, which really is what he made his fortune doing, then he could be elected in the primary. His private sector experience and business mentality is a stark contrast to Obama, who had a public servant type of position for practically his entire adult life. If the economy is still doing poorly in 2012, unemployment is still 9-10%, small business are struggling with increased taxes, etc., then Romney probably has a good shot.