Catholic League head: Abuse not pedophilia because boys were ‘post-pubescent’

  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 06, 2010 3:29 PM GMT




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    Apr 06, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
    In this country, he's free to speak his mind. Just as I'm free to throw a party when some victim hunts this guy down and cuts his throat.
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    Apr 06, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
    Catholic League head: Abuse not pedophilia because boys were ‘post-pubescent’

    I THINK (and I invite the informed comments of RJers who are trained in the actual law), that in most of the US, sex with minor males is considered pedophilia, and is not legally determined by individual biological maturity. Pedophilia is a much a legal construct as a physical one.

    Therefore, this argument is disingenuous at best, and criminally misleading at worst. US Catholic priests have committed pedophile acts, both by legal and biological definition. In my opinion, this is a shameful evasion and misrepresentation of the facts.

    But even more significant for gays, he tries to make this a problem with all homosexuals, not Catholic priests. Suppress all homosexuals, and these Church abuses will stop. It has nothing to do with the RCC, it is those damned homos who have caused this to happen.

    His contention is that all homosexuals are pedophiles. Attack the homosexuals, and you will solve this problem, it has nothing to do with the Church, which is an innocent victim of the homos. What do others here think?
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    Apr 06, 2010 5:56 PM GMT
    OOOOOOHHHHHH!

    Well in that case that's perfectly okay
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    Apr 06, 2010 6:06 PM GMT
    Their response to this has been unbelievable.
    Blaming it on the gays, comparing the criticism they are receiving to Nazi Germany and now splitting hairs over the victims ages.
    Is it really shocking that a pedophile would choose to join the clergy given how much access they have to obedient children and given the lengths the church will go to protect their own?

    When I came out to a priest in high school, he told me that he didn't think it was wrong to be gay either and that I should visit him sometime. He actually treated the sacrament of confession as if it was speed dating.

    so disgusting.

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    Apr 06, 2010 6:06 PM GMT
    Yes, I dont' understand why neither Larry K or Rick S or the other guests pointed out that pedophilia is age determined not puberty determined. I believe in the US a person reaches the age of majority at 18 but in Canada it's 16 years..


    Forgot to add.. While the age in Canada is 16 for consensual sex as an adult it does NOT apply when the elder person is in a position of authority and that would include a teacher, minister etc in which case the age is 18 where it is considered consensual.
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    Apr 06, 2010 6:10 PM GMT
    Interesting how the fact that 95% of pedophiles and child molesters are heterosexual is completely ignored...
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    Apr 06, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    This is so very typical of false belief systems (which, of course, are based upon false beliefs to begin with) in that they make up COMPLETE garbage as they go along.
  • UFJocknerd

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    Apr 06, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    Pedophilia is sexual fixation on kids who are pre-pubescent. Hebephilia is sexual fixation on post-pubescent children.

    The distinction is not meaningless. It's quite different to have the hots for a 17-year-old football player or cheerleader versus a 6-year-old. One, though socially disapproved, isn't strange from a naturalistic point of view as the object of fixation is reproductively viable. We can disapprove, but it's really hairsplitting if you're using a chronological age split (what makes a person aged 18-and-one-day different from one aged 17-and-11-months?).

    Most pedophiles are heterosexual in their adult sexual orientation, but their sexual fixations (which are not sexual orientations) towards children are not sex-specific; pedophilia is about power, not sex, and the sex of the object is immaterial.
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    Apr 06, 2010 6:57 PM GMT
    See folks, much ado about nothing.
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    Apr 06, 2010 7:02 PM GMT
    Sexual predators whose victims are 13- to 17-years-old are called hebephiles, not homosexuals

    Idiot
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    Apr 06, 2010 8:27 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidSexual predators whose victims are 13- to 17-years-old are called hebephiles, not homosexuals

    Idiot

    I thought it was ephebophile? Anyway, you're damn right.

    I believe it's considered pedophilia under law no matter what the age, so long as it's under 18. But I'm not a lawyer...my law knowledge comes from Judging Amy (I miss that show) and late-night reading on Wikipedia.
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    Apr 06, 2010 9:00 PM GMT
    I've been watching Americas late line:' to catch a predator. Where they have intraped sexual predator on the Internet, they have ranged from Rabbis, school teachers trying to have sex with children the same age they teach, police officers, government workers, many of whom have been men seeking young boys for sex, but not all.

    So this issue is not confined to the Catholic church, and belive me I have no love for this organisation, and know it lost it's authority a longtime ago because it is an evil corrupt institution, that has no authority of the priesthood. But it is the way it has felt it is a law unto it's self, and just moved predatory priest around to new fertile ground, that makes them diffrent to all the rest; even the gay community is not free of a dark past. I myself had a gay man seduce, and molest me from the age of 5. This was a guy who was not just into little boys as he had boyfriends too.
  • Anto

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    Apr 06, 2010 10:12 PM GMT
    Pedophilia is sexual fixation on kids who are pre-pubescent. Hebephilia is sexual fixation on post-pubescent children.

    Yeah but pedophilia sounds scarier. It's like the word 'rape' used in instances of consent but when the person is not considered old enough to give consent.
    It's easier to invoke a response from people if appealing to their emotions instead of rational thought.
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    Apr 06, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
    Donohump isn't a real catholic, he's divorced. Plus, he obviously is a purveyor of the sin of gluttony and suddenly I want to eat bacon.
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    Apr 07, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
    Ephebophile I think is 16 to 20... everyone is pretty much one.
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    Apr 07, 2010 6:26 AM GMT
    Yeah, right.
    Blame it on the victims.
    Disgusting.

    This guy never misses an opportunity to attack gays.

    Like the hierarchy of the the Catholic Church, he cares more about the reputation of the Catholic Church, than about the morality of the church.
    Or about what's right and what's wrong.