Black conservative tea party backers take heat

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    Personally, i am very proud to be a Tea Party member. Who wants big gov't and heavy spending? I know i dont.icon_biggrin.gif Me being in the group is 100% about fiscal responsibility. Nothing more nothing less.

    ALBANY, N.Y. – They've been called Oreos, traitors and Uncle Toms, and are used to having to defend their values. Now black conservatives are really taking heat for their involvement in the mostly white tea party movement — and for having the audacity to oppose the policies of the nation's first black president.

    "I've been told I hate myself. I've been called an Uncle Tom. I've been told I'm a spook at the door," said Timothy F. Johnson, chairman of the Frederick Douglass Foundation, a group of black conservatives who support free market principles and limited government.

    "Black Republicans find themselves always having to prove who they are. Because the assumption is the Republican Party is for whites and the Democratic Party is for blacks," he said.

    Johnson and other black conservatives say they were drawn to the tea party movement because of what they consider its commonsense fiscal values of controlled spending, less taxes and smaller government. The fact that they're black — or that most tea partyers are white — should have nothing to do with it, they say.

    "You have to be honest and true to yourself. What am I supposed to do, vote Democratic just to be popular? Just to fit in?" asked Clifton Bazar, a 45-year-old New Jersey freelance photographer and conservative blogger.

    Opponents have branded the tea party as a group of racists hiding behind economic concerns — and reports that some tea partyers were lobbing racist slurs at black congressmen during last month's heated health care vote give them ammunition.

    But these black conservatives don't consider racism representative of the movement as a whole — or race a reason to support it.

    Angela McGlowan, a black congressional candidate from Mississippi, said her tea party involvement is "not about a black or white issue."

    "It's not even about Republican or Democrat, from my standpoint," she told The Associated Press. "All of us are taxed too much."

    Still, she's in the minority. As a nascent grassroots movement with no registration or formal structure, there are no racial demographics available for the tea party movement; it's believed to include only a small number of blacks and Hispanics.

    Some black conservatives credit President Barack Obama's election — and their distaste for his policies — with inspiring them and motivating dozens of black Republicans to plan political runs in November.

    For black candidates like McGlowan, tea party events are a way to reach out to voters of all races with her conservative message.

    "I'm so proud to be a part of this movement! I want to tell you that a lot of people underestimate you guys," the former national political commentator for Fox News told the cheering crowd at a tea party rally in Nashville, Tenn., in February.

    Tea party voters represent a new model for these black conservatives — away from the black, liberal Democratic base located primarily in cities, and toward a black and white conservative base that extends into the suburbs.

    Black voters have overwhelmingly backed Democratic candidates, support that has only grown in recent years. In 2004, presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry won 88 percent of the black vote; four years later, 95 percent of black voters cast ballots for Obama.

    Black conservatives don't want to have to apologize for their divergent views.

    "I've gotten the statement, 'How can you not support the brother?'" said David Webb, an organizer of New York City's Tea Party 365, Inc. movement and a conservative radio personality.

    Since Obama's election, Webb said some black conservatives have even resorted to hiding their political views.

    "I know of people who would play the (liberal) role publicly, but have their private opinions," he said. "They don't agree with the policy but they have to work, live and exist in the community ... Why can't we speak openly and honestly if we disagree?"

    Among the 37 black Republicans running for U.S. House and Senate seats in November is Charles Lollar of Maryland's 5th District.

    A tea party supporter running against House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., Lollar says he's finding support in unexpected places.

    The 38-year-old U.S. Marine Corps reservist recently walked into a bar in southern Maryland decorated with a Confederate flag. It gave his wife Rosha pause.

    "I said, 'You know what, honey? Many, many of our Southern citizens came together under that flag for the purpose of keeping their family and their state together,'" Lollar recalled. "The flag is not what you're to fear. It's the stupidity behind the flag that is a problem. I don't think we'll find that in here. Let's go ahead in."

    Once inside, they were treated to a pig roast, a motorcycle rally — and presented with $5,000 in contributions for his campaign.

    McGlowan, one of three GOP candidates in north Mississippi's 1st District primary, seeks a seat held since 2008 by Democrat Travis Childers. The National Republican Congressional Committee has supported Alan Nunnelee, chairman of the state Senate Appropriations Committee, who is also pursuing tea party voters.

    McGlowan believes the tea party movement has been unfairly portrayed as monolithically white, male and middle-aged, though she acknowledged blacks and Hispanics are a minority at most events.

    Racist protest signs at some tea party rallies and recent reports by U.S. Reps. John Lewis, D-Ga., and Barney Frank, D-Mass., that tea partyers shouted racial and anti-gay slurs at them have raised allegations of racism in the tea party movement.

    Black members of the movement say it is not inherently racist, and some question the reported slurs. "You would think — something that offensive — you would think someone got video of it," Bazar, the conservative blogger, said.

    "Just because you have one nut case, it doesn't automatically equate that you've got an organization that espouses (racism) as a sane belief," Johnson said.

    Hilary Shelton, director of the Washington bureau of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, suggested a bit of caution.

    "I'm sure the reason that (black conservatives) are involved is that from an ideological perspective, they agree," said Shelton. "But when those kinds of things happen, it is very important to be careful of the company that you keep."

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    Associated Press writers Brian Witte in Maryland and Emily Wagster Pettus in Mississippi contributed to this report.
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    Apr 07, 2010 3:10 AM GMT
    PAstud21 said "..... it is very important to be careful of the company that you keep."


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    Wasn't this an issue with Rev. Wright and everyone who pointed that out was called a racist and a nut-job?

    Hmmmm..

    Thanks for posting this. PAStud.
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    This is the single dumbest post in the history of RJ. By and large, the teabaggers HATE gay people. They are YOUR enemies. They woudl take away YOUR rights and have undoubtedly voted against your rights countless times. They are also stunningly uninformed about the history of our government, basic economics, and, oh, many of them are receiving some level of government aid, whether Medicare or disability. So on top of being stupid and feckless they're hypocrites. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 07, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    I wonder why this Tea Party movement didn't begin when people knew just how much the two wars were going to cost this nation.

    Or if they are so concerned about big government, why didn't they decry Bush for invading Iraq? It seems they're okay with the United States to be a big government by extending its reaches into the sovereignty of other nations, but not in their own backyards? Shall we say hypocritical?

    And I don't think anyone wants heavy spending. We're all concerned about fiscal responsibility. Does waste happen? Sure. But both parties have their fair share of the blame for that. Don't think for a moment that you're "responsible" simply because you say no. If Republicans could practice foresight, they would understand the principle of spending money to make money. You need some form of investment. An investment in the people. An investment in our country. An investment in our future. Frankly I haven't heard anything from Republicans that actually serves the best interest of our nation.

    What's with this fear of big government? Like big government that preserved the Union and freed the slaves? Or how about the big government that ended segregation, gave women the right to vote, provides relief to states in need of help, secures your safety from threats, forces food and drug companies to comply with regulations and standards (you may have some issue with current standards, but it would be a lot worse without government involvement) ...

    I could go on and on.
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    Apr 07, 2010 4:29 AM GMT
    The tea party was founded by Dick Armey, a former Repub member of Congress.
    It's marquee (celebrity) spokesperson is Sarah Palin, who was the Repub vp nominee in 2008, and is a former Repub governor.
    The tea party is actively pushing for the election of as many Repubs this Nov. as possible - and is promoting the candidacies of ZERO Democrats.

    The tea party is a sham entity that exists to ease the discomfort some Repubs quite naturally feel about supporting the Republican party, after the Repubs ran the country and the economy into the ground during the last decade.
    It's just another (brand) name for the Republican party.

    And it is yet another Republican Big Lie.

    Those who are buying the latest load of Repub (teabaggery) BS are either braindead idiots or hopelessly brainwashed right-wingers.
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    Apr 07, 2010 4:50 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidThis is the single dumbest post in the history of RJ. By and large, the teabaggers HATE gay people. They are YOUR enemies. They woudl take away YOUR rights and have undoubtedly voted against your rights countless times. They are also stunningly uninformed about the history of our government, basic economics, and, oh, many of them are receiving some level of government aid, whether Medicare or disability. So on top of being stupid and feckless they're hypocrites. icon_rolleyes.gif


    More insults from liberals. This is to be expected. Also, the topic of the article is once again dismissed.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 07, 2010 4:51 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe tea party was founded by Dick Armey, a former Repub member of Congress.
    It's marquee (celebrity) spokesperson is Sarah Palin, who was the Repub vp nominee in 2008, and is a former Repub governor.
    The tea party is actively pushing for the election of as many Repubs this Nov. as possible - and is promoting the candidacies of ZERO Democrats.

    The tea party is a sham entity that exists to ease the discomfort some Repubs quite naturally feel about supporting the Republican party, after the Repubs ran the country and the economy into the ground during the last decade.
    It's just another (brand) name for the Republican party.

    And it is yet another Republican Big Lie.

    Those who are buying the latest load of Repub (teabaggery) BS are either braindead idiots or hopelessly brainwashed right-wingers.


    Once again, more insults and personal attacks from a liberal. This is to be expected.
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    Apr 07, 2010 4:52 AM GMT
    Re: PA"stud"21 -

    More stupidity from teabaggers. This is to be expected. icon_lol.gif

    It's revealing that you don't contradict the facts of my post, or do anything other than whine.
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    rickrick91 saidMore stupidity from teabaggers. This is to be expected. icon_lol.gif


    And once again, another empty insult from a liberal.icon_biggrin.gif
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    And once again, another empty post from a right-winger who has nothing to say.
    Who can only whine about being attacked, like a little girl.
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    Apr 07, 2010 4:58 AM GMT
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    Who can only whine about being attacked like a little girl.



    Ahhh the hypocrisy. Ok i am done with you b/c frankly i dont care about you and this is going nowhere.icon_biggrin.gif
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    For starters if I was to visit the south there is not one person of any race that would convince me to visit a establishment that hung a confederate flag. I'm truly happy that the experience was positive for him and his wife but lets not tell everyone to proceed w/out pause that's just stupid. No person of color should be on the Obama train for the sole purpose of the common denominator of skin color, that's also stupid but your level of concern for your fellow teabaggers of color is hopeful because I know your commitment for more serious issues that plague the community has you in the forefront fighting for better public schools, safer neighbourhoods and teen pregnancy. Being called a Uncle Tom sucks, God knows I've heard it before but there are more pressing issues that crave your intrest in the blk community than name calling frm within the same race.
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    Apr 07, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    I don't whine about being attacked, PA"stud"21.
    As anyone can see from my posts.

    But, if you're scared and need to run to Mommy, go ahead.
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    Apr 07, 2010 6:12 AM GMT
    Have you heard the things that come from these TEABAGGERS mouth? If they want to lynch Obama and spew the ugly, racist acid from their Christian lips...how do you think they feel about the average black person? And and a Black Queer? C'mon manicon_cool.gif And by the way, where was all of this outrage when Bush was shafting us with this war? But of course now it's on Obama's plate, therefore it is his fault...right?
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    djohn767 saidHave you heard the things that come from these TEABAGGERS mouth? If they want to lynch Obama and spew the ugly, racist acid from their Christian lips...how do you think they feel about the average black person? And and a Black Queer? C'mon manicon_cool.gif And by the way, where was all of this outrage when Bush was shafting us with this war? But of course now it's on Obama's plate, therefore it is his fault...right?


    Racist remarks regardless of party is wrong and this article proves that liberals can also be haters towards conservatives and that black conservatives take unfair heat from liberal and especially liberal blacks.

    Wrong is wrong and it doesnt have a political face.
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    Apr 08, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
    A wig party?! icon_eek.gif You guys stop using wigs to say what you feel... Or you want me to unmask the real you KKK? icon_lol.gif Don't make me unleash the Shodan in me.. icon_wink.gif

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    Apr 08, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
    Interesting how the Teehee Party, who are against big gov't spending, hasn't held an antiwar protest yet. It's just about our biggest spending, no? Ah, well, lambs to the slaughter and all that. HAHA!

    Here's one of the Teehee Party's future braintrusts, or, as I like to refer to them, "Mensa Lite".
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    McGay saidInteresting how the Teehee Party, who are against big gov't spending, hasn't held an antiwar protest yet. It's just about our biggest spending, no? Ah, well, lambs to the slaughter and all that. HAHA!


    Most of the Tea Party members i know do not approve of the cost of the two wars but you have to put things in perspective here...also i have met many many Kerry voters at these rally's. The group is for sure more conservative however the number of independents is alarming. ,People are just fed up with both parties to be honest and the reason the Tea Party originated.


    2 wars over 10 years cost on avg. 100B a year
    Stimulus: approx 787B
    TARP: approx 900B or so
    Health Care: Minimum best case scenario 900 B AND raising taxes
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    McGay saidInteresting how the Teehee Party, who are against big gov't spending, hasn't held an antiwar protest yet. It's just about our biggest spending, no? Ah, well, lambs to the slaughter and all that. HAHA!


    Most of the Tea Party members i know do not approve of the cost of the two wars but you have to put things in perspective here...also i have met many many Kerry voters at these rally's. The group is for sure more conservative however the number of independents is alarming. ,People are just fed up with both parties to be honest and the reason the Tea Party originated.


    2 wars over 10 years cost on avg. 100B a year
    Stimulus: approx 787B
    TARP: approx 900B or so
    Health Care: Minimum best case scenario 900 B AND raising taxes


    Not a single one of the teabaggers I know is against the war or the spending towards it. They consider it their patriotic duty to support it, y'know, support the troops that are fighting to protect the freedom we enjoy in this great nation our ours, our homeland, my country right or wrong, flag flag flag.
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    Apr 08, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThis is the single dumbest post in the history of RJ. By and large, the teabaggers HATE gay people. They are YOUR enemies. They woudl take away YOUR rights and have undoubtedly voted against your rights countless times. They are also stunningly uninformed about the history of our government, basic economics, and, oh, many of them are receiving some level of government aid, whether Medicare or disability. So on top of being stupid and feckless they're hypocrites. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Not only will they take away our rights, they will kill us. See you in the gas chamber.
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    Apr 08, 2010 4:59 PM GMT
    Tea Party 48% Obama 44%
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    On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own.

    Not surprisingly, Republicans overwhelmingly feel closer to the Tea Party and most Democrats say that their views are more like Obama’s. Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.

    The partisan divide is similar to that found in the President’s Job Approval Ratings and on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

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    Last week, Rasmussen Reports released data showing that 47% of voters felt closer to the views of Tea Party members than to Congress. Only 26% felt closer to Congress.

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    In a head-to-head comparison, 45% felt closer to the average Tea Party Member while 35% felt closer to the average union member.

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    Apr 08, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidThis is the single dumbest post in the history of RJ. By and large, the teabaggers HATE gay people. They are YOUR enemies. They woudl take away YOUR rights and have undoubtedly voted against your rights countless times. They are also stunningly uninformed about the history of our government, basic economics, and, oh, many of them are receiving some level of government aid, whether Medicare or disability. So on top of being stupid and feckless they're hypocrites. icon_rolleyes.gif



    Not only will they take away our rights, they will kill us. See you in the gas chamber.



    How crazy. So you being a black man do you you really think black tea party members would gas you?
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    Apr 08, 2010 5:01 PM GMT
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    McGay saidInteresting how the Teehee Party, who are against big gov't spending, hasn't held an antiwar protest yet. It's just about our biggest spending, no? Ah, well, lambs to the slaughter and all that. HAHA!


    Most of the Tea Party members i know do not approve of the cost of the two wars but you have to put things in perspective here...also i have met many many Kerry voters at these rally's. The group is for sure more conservative however the number of independents is alarming. ,People are just fed up with both parties to be honest and the reason the Tea Party originated.


    2 wars over 10 years cost on avg. 100B a year
    Stimulus: approx 787B
    TARP: approx 900B or so
    Health Care: Minimum best case scenario 900 B AND raising taxes


    Not a single one of the teabaggers I know is against the war or the spending towards it. They consider it their patriotic duty to support it, y'know, support the troops that are fighting to protect the freedom we enjoy in this great nation our ours, our homeland, my country right or wrong, flag flag flag.


    I am a Tea Party member and very active in PA. And you?
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    Apr 08, 2010 5:05 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThis is the single dumbest post in the history of RJ. By and large, the teabaggers HATE gay people. They are YOUR enemies. They woudl take away YOUR rights and have undoubtedly voted against your rights countless times. They are also stunningly uninformed about the history of our government, basic economics, and, oh, many of them are receiving some level of government aid, whether Medicare or disability. So on top of being stupid and feckless they're hypocrites. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I will say this again and again ..........


    There is more out there than ONLY gay rights. Too many queers crack me up b/c of the hypocrisy. They complain about others being short sighted and closed minded to gay rights but then these same queers turn around and do the same thing to the rest of the world. Mindblowing.

    There is more to the world than YOU.icon_biggrin.gif