Cant workout without getting sick...HELP.

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    Apr 09, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    Ok, So I have tried everything I can think of. I cannot workout the way I want without getting nearly hospitalized once a month, and doctors always say the same thing, you are working out to much. But I dont think I am. First I worked out after classes but got a new job so I changed it to the morning, getting up at 5 am. That worked great for a bit, but then I got reallyyyy sick. I try to balance my diet to make sure I get all my nutrients. I dont know what to do. No matter what time or what I do, I get sick from what doctors are saying is to much excersize, (Is that possible) lol, and not enough nutrients. They also say getting up so early and working till 11pm everyday doesnt help, that my immune system is weakening. What should I do, Im so lost. Is there something I could take to help balance my immune system and nutrients?
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    Apr 09, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    you should try posting actual information about what you do and what you eat. sorry to sound like chucky but he is right sometimes
  • geebus

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    Apr 09, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
    Hey bro, I would suggest taking a good multivitamin to start, but have you done a full blood test? That may narrow down what you have deficiencies in.

    Also try meditating. It is very anabolic and also can release your stress. If you've got the dough, try wearing a Qlink necklace.

    Anyways good luck with it, and huge amount of respect to you for trying everything you can. Hope it all works out for you.

    Btw, what type of training are you doing? How often and what are your goals?
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    Apr 09, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    Ok, so my workout usually consists of...

    A 30 min jog on moderate speed.
    Leg press - 350pnds 3sets of 12
    200 sit ups
    100 leg lifts
    cable pull downs 200pnds 3 sets 0f 10
    cable curls 210pnds 3 sets of 15
    pull ups 30
    push ups 50

    Im am NO gym guru what so ever. I know very little, thats why Im here. Trying to learn more and advance. I started off just running, lost alot of weight but I need to build muscle, im weaker than I should be.

    As for diet, Its no set diet, Im in a money situation so i cant just go buy everything I should, I buy whats needed and it all organic and lowfat and ect. Lots of veggies, love veggies. I drink protein shakes in the AM because I know Im not getting enough of it.
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    Apr 09, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
    Leaving aside changes to your workout and diet, is there any way you can get more rest? Sleep is an often neglected element of fitness and general wellness. Most people need seven to nine hours of uninterrupted sleep per night. Some people obviously seem to do well with less, but you apparently do not. if you are getting sick enough to ind up in the hospital, then it would seem that you should perhaps make whatever changes you must to look after yourself - including trying at least a few months of getting more sleep.
  • geebus

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    Apr 10, 2010 12:04 AM GMT
    It sounds like you're deep in what I call the "twink" trap.

    Your workout seems to be very catabolic in that it is very high rep with low/moderate weight. Also it's too involved in machines and not much functional work.

    If you are trying to gain muscle, here are some take home points:

    *Sleep and rest well! Testosterone is made during the first cycle of REM and can be optimize with good sleeping habits. Also, you don't grow in the gym, that merely provides the stress for the body to grow in your rest.

    *Eat! Apart from the obvious that if you don't eat more than you burn, you don't have excess macro-nutrients for protein synthesis. Also, you're young (high metabolism) and do a lot of traditional cardio, thus require ALOT of calories to function. FAT IS NOT THE ENEMY, if you cut it out too much, cell membrane can't form! Rather if you are concerned about gaining weight, CUT OUT CARBS (except post workout).

    *Play around with your workouts. If you want to build muscle, I suggest increasing the weights (or adding a weight belt to exercises such as pull ups) so that your body has new stimulus. Remember to change things around every session and change the focus of your routine every 4-6weeks.

    I'm no "expert", but just a trainer who has tried and learned about the various philosophies floating around. Ask around for a second opinion (as you should with everything) and I'm sure everyone would be happy to help.
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    Apr 10, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    Wow, hit the nail on the head. thanks man.

    As for sleep, I KNOW im not getting enough.

    My routine.

    5 to 7 Am - Gym
    8Am to 2pm - class
    3pm to 11pm - Work

    and after work is homework. which usually takes till about 1 - 130 Am.
  • Anto

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    Apr 10, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    You'll get sick if trying to workout and don't eat properly and/or not get enough sleep. I just know this from personal experience!

    Yeah, I just saw your sleeping time. That's just killing your body, you need more rest especially if you are tearing your body down through exercise. It's also destroying the kind of returns you could be getting from your exercising.
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Apr 10, 2010 12:53 AM GMT
    You keep saying you are getting sick...What are your symptoms....Why do you go to the doctors??
  • FredMG

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    Apr 10, 2010 1:11 AM GMT
    What kind of Sick?

    I ask because I know if I don't eat a well balanced diet, and eat regular small meals I get queezy and puke. Is that what you're experiancing? I usually compensate by having 6-8 oz of lean beef or chicken breast a couple hours before i work out. I also keep a bit of maalox in my gym bag if I'm feeling a bit acidy.

    If you're feeling more like you have the flu, headcold or somethign like that, get more rest. you have a pretty busy schedule, and you may just be piling too much on yourself.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
    What do you mean by getting sick? I train 5 days a week. When I push myself really hard, I'll vomit between sets. But that's fine. You push throught it.
    Is that what you mean? If so, that's not that uncommon. (I dated a competitive Bodybuilder for a little over 3.5 yrs. He often vomited during really intense/heavy workouts.)
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:48 AM GMT
    Yeah. Hello? What's the illness we are supposed to be curing?
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:55 AM GMT
    You've already answered your own question. You're getting 3.5, to 4 hours of sleep per night... and you still honestly wonder why you're getting sick? Getting plenty of rest isn't a gym secret dude. Your body needs two essential ingredients to live: Food and rest. Even if you weren't trying to work out, you'd still be feeling like total crap after getting so little rest.

    Imagine if someone posted a thread saying.. "I sleep 9 hours a night, but only eat a cup of pudding every day. Why am I getting sick?"
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    Apr 11, 2010 10:41 PM GMT
    Agree with what is being said here. I have tended to get sick (which, for me, means I start getting an unending series of colds and flus) when I am not paying attention to balance. Usually, it's not enough sleep (again, for my case).

    To echo/amplify what is said earlier:

    * Sleep - absolutely mandatory. Not only to avoid getting sick, but to make any use of the work you do in the gym. No sleep == heavy stress == weak immune system and catabolic muscle deterioration. Might as well stop hitting the gym until this gets resolved somewhat.

    * Food -- in addition to making sure you get enough of the good things, keep the protein content high. Eat often - 4-6 smaller meals a day, every 2-3 hours.

    * Workout -- I would think you can cut way down on the reps, up the weight a lot and the result will be an intense workout in lot less time. Take the extra time and put it toward sleep. At the point you seem to be, I'd start with a 3-day a week full body workout, 1-2 exercises per body part with 3-4 sets of 8-10 reps (using a weight that gets you to failure before 10 reps on your last set). Maybe do light cardio 3 other days (30-40 minutes) and take a day off where you really do nothing and pile on some extra calories and sleep.

    It may feel like doing less, but you'll likely see better results pulling back. Even someone your age has just so much recovery and you're exceeding it by a lot.

    Learn to listen to your body. If you feel tired, stressed or weak (I notice it going up stairs), you've got to adjust something (though 80% of the time, that something is more sleep).

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    Apr 12, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    Just to add to what’s already been said…You may want to change up the type of protein that you are using in your “protein shake”.
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    Apr 12, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    It has been long known that over-stressing the body and over-training is counter productive and can make you literally sick. So I would think that stopping over-training would help.

    There are however certain nutrients that also help your body build the immune system .. glutamine is know to be a recovery protein fraction: catabolic states of injury and illness, glutamine becomes conditionally-essential (requiring intake from food or supplements). Glutamine has been studied extensively over the past 10–15 years and has been shown to be useful in treatment of serious illnesses, injury, trauma, burns, and treatment-related side-effects of cancer as well as in wound healing for postoperative patients. Glutamine is also marketed as a supplement used for muscle growth in weightlifting, bodybuilding, endurance, and other sports, yet there is still no scientific evidence of its "muscle-growing" properties. In biological research, L-glutamine is commonly added to the media in cell culture.

    But there are are other nutrients essential for our immune system and a feeling of well being. For example B vitamins and even testosterone also help with blood cells essential to immunity. I also like beta-carotene for my immune system - especially in the form of carrot juice.

    Maybe you should consider a good multi-vitamin if you don't take one already.

    I found this article on nutrition and the immune system:
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Apr 12, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
    Continuing on theme of "you haven't given us anywhere near enough information"...

    "Nearly getting hospitalized once a month" and doctors saying "you are working out too much" are pretty big red flags. Doctors in front of you are far more credible than strangers on the internet -- listen to them more than you listen to us, even if they tell you things you don't want to hear.

    We'd need to know what your symptoms are to be able to take a stab at helping. However, from the information you do give us...

    * You get up at 5, and list yourself as in the gym from 5-7.
    * You've recently lost a lot of weight.

    Let me take a guess at your symptoms: you start getting light headed; your vision darkens at the periphery; sound seem to echo strangely; you break out into a cold, prickly sweat; you feel like you're going to vomit; stopping and standing still doesn't make things better, but you have to sit or (better yet) lie down.

    I've had this happen before -- it's what happens when your blood sugar crashes because you haven't eaten recently enough before working out. Like, say, if you work out on an empty stomach immediately after waking up, or if you work out at the end of a work day in which you skipped lunch because you were too busy. Or, as is possible in your case, if you're in general not eating enough because you're gung ho about losing weight and make the mistake a lot of people do of assuming "If eating 500 fewer calories than I burn is good, eating 1,000 fewer calories I burn is even better!" Eat something substantial 1-3 hours before working out, and those particular symptoms will stop happening.

    And, really, 3.5 hours of sleep per night is not sustainable over the long haul if you're also working out for 2 hours a day. I used to get by on 4-4.5 hours a night in high school, but I wasn't working out nearly that much. The harder you work your body, the more important it is to sleep, as your body repairs the damage exercise does while you're sleeping -- you won't get stronger if you don't give your muscles that chance to heal.