50 Faggots

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    Apr 10, 2010 9:38 AM GMT


    50 Faggots is the new, upcoming, web series that uses longitudinal, auto-ethnographic documentary filming and educates audiences with the unprecedented access to the lives and experiences of effeminate male activists, artists, professionals and educators perspectives rarely discussed within most cultures. The series addresses the dearth of self-acceptance among effeminate men, young and old, with humorous anecdotes, important wisdom, and inspiring models of resilience. By offering individual alternatives to dominant constructions of American masculinity and heteronormative gay lifestyles, this film illuminates the on-going issues relevant to queer communities.

    The first season, located in the urban neighborhoods of Chicago, Washington D.C., and New York City, dedicates two years to documenting the stories of ten effeminate gay men. These men discuss their professional and personal lives, often in contradiction to communities that demand a rigid and binary definition of gender, particularly valuing patriarchy and an appropriate presentation of straight-acting masculinity.

    Visit www.50faggots.com for more!

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    Directed/Produced: Randall Jenson
    Edited: Meredith Zielke (www.standingpoint.org)



    It looks good; have a good day!
    (I don't believe the website is up at the time of this post....)
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    Apr 10, 2010 10:16 AM GMT
    These men discuss their professional and personal lives, often in contradiction to communities that demand a rigid and binary definition of gender, particularly valuing patriarchy and an appropriate presentation of straight-acting masculinity.


    You know, not that I won't watch this (because I probably will), but in gay culture the contradiction to the community is actually acting masculine, not the other way around. Acting feminine is like rap music: it's not taboo anymore.
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    Apr 10, 2010 12:46 PM GMT
    One interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:30 PM GMT
    madtown saidOne interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.


    I've never heard or read anything like that on RJ. I do know that just because a man may not want to have sex or date a fem guy that some view that as "hate" when in fact it is just a preference of whom one finds attractive.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
    should be fun to watch
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
    In terms of the documentary, although the content in the trailer looks very promising, the promotional material along with the title is all for shock value.

    I think the doc should be retitled "10 Proud Gay Men".
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:39 PM GMT
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    madtown saidOne interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.


    I've never heard or read anything like that on RJ. I do know that just because a man may not want to have sex or date a fem guy that some view that as "hate" when in fact it is just a preference of whom one finds attractive.


    you kiddin? there's been so many fem-bashing posts on RJ. I wish there weren't but there deft are a ton.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    Once again, the media tilts the entire gay community in the feminine direction. Wow, such progress. And to top that off, they've used a denegrating word in the title. Some people think that using faggot and queer means we are taking ownership of those words. We are not.

    Who is the audience for this? Just other gay men?
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:45 PM GMT
    It looks pretty interesting. I'd watch it because I rarely see these kinds of personalities and I'm curious and I'd probably learn something.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:50 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidOnce again, the media tilts the entire gay community in the feminine direction. Wow, such progress. And to top that off, they've used a denegrating word in the title. Some people think that using faggot and queer means we are taking ownership of those words. We are not.

    Who is the audience for this? Just other gay men?


    I am always offended by the use of the new "F" word, regardless of who says it.

    It's interesting......I wonder how much attention a documentary about 10 masculine gay men would stir up.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:56 PM GMT
    Celticmusl said
    It's interesting......I wonder how much attention a documentary about 10 masculine gay men would stir up.



    To boring… nobody would care/watch.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:57 PM GMT
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    Celticmusl said
    madtown saidOne interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.


    I've never heard or read anything like that on RJ. I do know that just because a man may not want to have sex or date a fem guy that some view that as "hate" when in fact it is just a preference of whom one finds attractive.


    you kiddin? there's been so many fem-bashing posts on RJ. I wish there weren't but there deft are a ton.


    So if someone says he finds masculine men sexually unattractive and that he would not want to have sex with a masculine guy, is that masculine bashing? I think many fem acting guys are playing the victim so much that they can't even hear what is actually being said. If someone doesn't find me sexually attractive well TS for them.
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    Apr 10, 2010 1:59 PM GMT
    dustin_K_tx said
    Celticmusl said
    It's interesting......I wonder how much attention a documentary about 10 masculine gay men would stir up.



    To boring… nobody would care/watch.


    I'd watch. And so would a ton of leaning "straight" men. And all of their homophobic buddies. And in probably a very short time they would FINALLY see that not all gay men are what they despise.
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    Apr 10, 2010 2:11 PM GMT
    Celticmusl said
    madtown saidOne interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.


    I've never heard or read anything like that on RJ. I do know that just because a man may not want to have sex or date a fem guy that some view that as "hate" when in fact it is just a preference of whom one finds attractive.


    I dunno, people can be pretty condescending when they 'state their preferences'

    Prime example - "you're hot, for a black guy"

    If you can't pick out what part of that last statement was condescending...well, then you're probably one of 'those' guys

    Having said that, you're 100% correct in that if someone doesn't fine me attractive well then TS...but what tends to be the case with internalized homophobia (which just about all gay men have to a varying degree) these 'preferences' tend to be expressed as judgement or harsh criticism of anyone who doesn't fit the 'baseline standard'

    Gay men go for the throats, even when just 'stating their preferences'
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    Apr 10, 2010 2:26 PM GMT
    What's odd about these masculine vs. feminine discussions is take a look at the profile picture comments. It's always "Man, you're hot, so masculine!"

    How often do you see "Man, hot! So feminine"?
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    Apr 10, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
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    madtown saidOne interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.


    I've never heard or read anything like that on RJ. I do know that just because a man may not want to have sex or date a fem guy that some view that as "hate" when in fact it is just a preference of whom one finds attractive.




    then you should look more closely. there are many instances where naked homophobia appears here, and even more frequent implications of it. there is a particularly virulent transphobia on this forum. and no, this isn't about whom you want to fuck and whom you don't. there have been countless threads over the years that make assertions that feminine gays undermine the advancement of lgbt rights or that fem guys give the gay community a bad name. right here in this very thread (see 7 posts above this one) is the comment "Once again, the media tilts the entire gay community in the feminine direction. Wow, such progress." this comment is total hyperbole: this wasn't meant to tilt the entire gay community, but to look at the lives of a particular subset within it. just that comment, which itself is tainted with an underpinning of exasperation or embarrassment, expresses a touch of the self-loathing homophobia that permeates almost every topic on this website. if you don't identify with fem, fine. but it doesn't give you more value to be butch, and i would argue that fem gays have as much right to be irritated with gay jocks for trying to assimilate into a culture that rejects them.
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    Apr 10, 2010 2:52 PM GMT
    I look at it this way. Take ten homophobic straight men and ask them to watch "50 Faggots" and then make a decision as to whether these men should have the same rights they do.

    Now take those same ten homophobic straight men and ask them to watch representations of gay men that act and look like themselves. Now ask them to decide whether these men should have the same rights they do.

    In actuality this is what is happening here. You've can't save face with the homophobic public when you KEEP showing another face.

    I don't look at gay shows as how they may entertain a gay audience. I look at getting gay shows to be watched by ALL audiences, just as we watch straight characters all the time.
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    Apr 10, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
    oh great icon_rolleyes.gif

    another "documentary" about the struggles of the drag queen community and how their life is so tough and these drag queens are like civil rights heroes defending our right to dress like a female. .

    please...

    I find the whole concept uninteresting. .like whats the point of this show? To follow around a bunch of drag queens in the cut throat world of dressing like a woman. . In the tough streets of DC
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    Apr 10, 2010 2:56 PM GMT
    The media tends to assume that if you are gay, then you are effeminate.
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    Import saidoh great icon_rolleyes.gif

    another "documentary" about the struggles of the drag queen community and how their life is so tough and these drag queens are like civil rights heroes defending our right to dress like a female. .

    please...

    I find the whole concept uninteresting. .like whats the point of this show? To follow around a bunch of drag queens in the cut throat world of dressing like a woman. . In the tough streets of DC


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    Apr 10, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
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    Celticmusl said
    madtown saidOne interesting quote from the trailer, "Straight men hate us," us being effeminate gay men. All I could think of, and I learned it from Real Jock, is there is a lot of hatred towards effeminate gay men in the gay community too.


    I've never heard or read anything like that on RJ. I do know that just because a man may not want to have sex or date a fem guy that some view that as "hate" when in fact it is just a preference of whom one finds attractive.




    then you should look more closely. there are many instances where naked homophobia appears here, and even more frequent implications of it. there is a particularly virulent transphobia on this forum. and no, this isn't about whom you want to fuck and whom you don't. there have been countless threads over the years that make assertions that feminine gays undermine the advancement of lgbt rights or that fem guys give the gay community a bad name. right here in this very thread (see 7 posts above this one) is the comment "Once again, the media tilts the entire gay community in the feminine direction. Wow, such progress." this comment is total hyperbole: this wasn't meant to tilt the entire gay community, but to look at the lives of a particular subset within it. just that comment, which itself is tainted with an underpinning of exasperation or embarrassment, expresses a touch of the self-loathing homophobia that permeates almost every topic on this website. if you don't identify with fem, fine. but it doesn't give you more value to be butch, and i would argue that fem gays have as much right to be irritated with gay jocks for trying to assimilate into a culture that rejects them.



    I do think the MEDIA FOCUS on the stereotypical gay male(what straight america believes) that just happens to be fem as well, is hurtful and insulting. It's possibly like how a black guy feels about Aunt Jamima pancake boxes.

    No, there are many in the gay community that just rolls there eyes every time a documentary that looks like it's gonna be about a bus full of drugged up drag queens shows up because IT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE GAY COMMUNITY WELL. Meaning, it misrepresents our community. This documentary is called 50 Faggots, it is hard for me not to be offended by this title.
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    Apr 10, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI look at it this way. Take ten homophobic straight men and ask them to watch "50 Faggots" and then make a decision as to whether these men should have the same rights they do.

    Now take those same ten homophobic straight men and ask them to watch representations of gay men that act and look like themselves. Now ask them to decide whether these men should have the same rights they do.

    In actuality this is what is happening here. You've can't save face with the homophobic public when you KEEP showing another face.

    I don't look at gay shows as how they may entertain a gay audience. I look at getting gay shows to be watched by ALL audiences, just as we watch straight characters all the time.


    I'm sorry, but getting equal rights under the law should have nothing to do with assimilating into what the majority deems appropriate. The point of fighting for our equal protections under law is so we can all live our lives as we see fit, is it not?

    It's also a sad sad day when people disrespect the very sub-group in our 'community' that jump started our push for equality and recognition. You would never catch other oppressed minorities spouting off against their rights pioneers.

    Only the gays icon_rolleyes.gif.
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    Apr 10, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    I think is great that effeminate gay men show their pride and self-worth of what "THEY" as gay men and "THEIR" gay experience feels like to "THEM" in this highly denigrating hetero and homo. community! having said that "THEY ARE NOT" a mere reflection of what is to be gay or the gay experience for the large majority of gays.

    There is no doubt in my mind the effeminate gay men were the first gay men who help the gay movement, but 40 years or so later our gay rights movement and general acceptance have been largely enhanced and reinforced by a huge variation of gay stereotypes, and not just by the effeminate gay men; the bottom line is that no gay person should owe any other gay person anything for being who they are or what kind of gay stereotypes they prefer as friends or lovers.

    Every gay man is entitled to be proud of his own preference whether it be masculine, effeminate or anything in between types; but NO GAY MAN, masculine, effeminate or anything in between is entitled to represent or speak for every gay person of our community.


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    Apr 10, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    i think this thread is already degrading into the very conversation culticmusl says he's never seen here.
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    Apr 10, 2010 3:35 PM GMT
    Jesus Fucking Christ - This is the ultimate zombie discussion.

    I just want to put this statement out there. Personally, I despise the supposedly-masculine men who have been posting here over the last few months. As far as prejudice is concerned, I have one. Masculine guys go fuck yourselves. You're the embarrassment.

    As far as respecting your opinion goes, eat shit.