SO you THINK straight men don't STEREOTYPE gay MEN? WATCH

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    Apr 11, 2010 4:21 AM GMT
    This is an interview I did with Exotic Adrian Street, a famous pro wrestler whose character was flamboyant. He is not gay. Watch the whole thing and listen closely.

    This one's for you Leandro, who said in another thread "straight people nowadays are a lot more educated and well informed then many in our own gay community don't want the rest of us to believe!"

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    Apr 11, 2010 4:47 AM GMT
    And that is not all I said! while it is true there still exists straight people who are totally unaware of the many types of gay men; there are others who may not admit to you they know much about us when they actually do, to themselves, but believe they know!! and then there are many other straight people who ARE totally aware of the many kinds of gay men within our gay community.

    Take for instance in my workplace I work with a pretty good mix of straight men and women, and even one lesbian and two gays in the mixed!! we all get alone and you will be surprise how much, especially the married ladies do know about the many types of gay men, and even of our sex lives. But after having said I am perfectly aware in many parts of this great country of ours there are still many straight people whose ignorance is not so much based on the lack of knowledge they have of us, but because they don't want to know nor they care to know anything about us; but believe they know...they know gays are more then just effeminate or masculine types!! straight people may play dumb but they are not that stupid!!



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    Apr 11, 2010 4:52 AM GMT
    You need to take a trip outside of NJ/NY area and go into America's Heartland. You'll find that the perception of the gay stereotype is more prevalent than the reality. I mean, this clip is a guy that even played flamboyant, so you'd expect he'd know better. He said he did, but you can read a lot into how he stumbled in answering my question "Do you think all gay men are flamboyant?"
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    Apr 11, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    I am confused. You said that Adrian never intended for his character to be gay but since the crowd though his character was gay, he decided to perpetuate the stereotype because it got a reaction? Because they percieved him to be gay by the way he dressed (at the beginning) and then later by all the outlandish, flirtatious actions he did in the ring?

    You asked Adrian, "Do you think all gay people are flamboyant?"
    He seemed unsure but said, "No." Yet he says we are to blame because we act like that.
    So in other word, yes, he believes gays are flamboyant and used this to his advantage in his career as a pro wrestler?

    And with this video you are stating that straight people are not educated and well informed about the gay community?

    I see..
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    Apr 11, 2010 5:22 AM GMT
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    So in other word, yes, he believes gays are flamboyant and used this to his advantage in his career as a pro wrestler?

    And with this video you are stating that straight people are not educated and well informed about the gay community?

    I see..


    That's exactly what the clip shows. He got a "reaction" from playing that gay stereotype, so he perpetuated it. And yes, he seems to believe that most gay men are like that anyway in real life. In other words, he has not seen enough of a variety of gay men in the media to think there are really other types.
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    Apr 11, 2010 5:25 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidYou need to take a trip outside of NJ/NY area and go into America's Heartland. You'll find that the perception of the gay stereotype is more prevalent than the reality. I mean, this clip is a guy that even played flamboyant, so you'd expect he'd know better. He said he did, but you can read a lot into how he stumbled in answering my question "Do you think all gay men are flamboyant?"



    Wrestlevic you seem like a level headed and cordial person; so I hope that my answers to your questions is received well. No one is denying that "NOT ALL" flamboyant men are gay, but the fact remain flamboyant gay do exist!!! and like every other kind of gay men that exist in our gay communities, why not let the whole world know they too are part of the mix!? why are you so persistent in keeping the gay image so white? figuratively speaking of course!!

    You know, I may not like the Spring because I get horrible allergies, but why should my allergies stop others from enjoy it even if they themselves have allergies like I do? I guess what I am trying to say is live and let live; yes you can disagree with me and even try to validate your opinions! but when you persist on trying to overshadow others opinions, that is when you start loosing credibility on your own! my friend live and accept your reality even if everyone else don't! you have made your point which makes a lot of sense, and believe it or not I do agree with you. But if you keep on believing that effeminate men are not the only gay stereotype in our gay community then you may just as well not believe in your assumption that gay men are more then just black and white?



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    Apr 11, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    Leandro, how many times does this have to be said by me and others. GAY STEREOTYPES DOMINATE VIRTUALLY ALL GAY MEDIA.

    Every time someone says "Hey, show more of a mix" you come off thinking we want to kick out all fem shows. That's not what is being said. So when we see another "Rupaul" or "50 Faggots" it becomes more and more apparent that there is a desire to "gay wash" everything. It's sort of the reverse of what you were saying about "white wash." It's like the gay community wants to only show one side. And when we want a more diverse mix, you scream, "OH, you just hate us."

    And please don't say that the few non-fem characters here and there on some shows really makes up for 95% of the rest of programming imbalance.

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    Apr 11, 2010 6:14 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidLeandro, how many times does this have to be said by me and others. GAY STEREOTYPES DOMINATE VIRTUALLY ALL GAY MEDIA.

    Every time someone says "Hey, show more of a mix" you come off thinking we want to kick out all fem shows. That's not what is being said. So when we see another "Rupaul" or "50 Faggots" it becomes more and more apparent that there is a desire to "gay wash" everything. It's sort of the reverse of what you were saying about "white wash."



    Stereotyping doesn't bother me the least! why doesn't a gay feels the same way is beyond me? you and I may be more aware or more accepting of a particular type of gay men, but it doesn't mean you or I have to accept those we don't care for either, nonetheless stereotypes are still a part of the mix. Do you honestly think I care about what Rupaul or the "50 faggots" do with their lives or even to my image as a gay person?

    My only concern is trying to be a better person to myself and to those I love...PERIOD. Whenever I see a gay person who doesn't interest me whether he dresses a certain way, walks, talks, or looks at me a certain way, or have a different political or philosophical view on life; do I have the right to judge him? maybe maybe not but chances are he would feel the same way!? and you know what that is fine with me. But when a discussion becomes a never ending thread of personal insults, or I suspect the RJ member intentions is to overshadow my opinion or denigrate my persona, that is when I draw the line.


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    Apr 11, 2010 6:18 AM GMT
    Gurrrrl, don't you ever let me catch you stereotyping me! I'll slap yo bitch ass silly, ho!

    *snaps three times in a Z pattern*
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    Apr 11, 2010 6:49 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidGurrrrl, don't you ever let me catch you stereotyping me! I'll slap yo bitch ass silly, ho!

    *snaps three times in a Z pattern*


    It don't bother me! because people who stereotype are just looking for attention! and I refuse to give them that pleasure! sadly there seems to be more of that amongst gays then with straight people in my experience!!


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    Apr 15, 2010 3:21 AM GMT
    Hmmm......
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    Apr 15, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
    Oh please.

    Gay men themselves do a better job of stereotyping and ridiculing gay men much better than straight men ever can....hands down.
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    Apr 15, 2010 3:41 AM GMT
    KissingPro saidOh please.

    Gay men themselves do a better job of stereotyping and ridiculing gay men much better than straight men ever can....hands down.


    Very true!!


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    Apr 15, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    When I came out to my guy friend, one of the things he said to me that had me laughin so HARD was "but you hate shopping more than I do!"

    He had no idea it was possible for a gay man to be more masculine than him
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    Apr 15, 2010 5:44 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidThis is an interview I did with Exotic Adrian Street, a famous pro wrestler whose character was flamboyant. He is not gay. Watch the whole thing and listen closely.

    This one's for you Leandro, who said in another thread "straight people nowadays are a lot more educated and well informed then many in our own gay community don't want the rest of us to believe!"



    This post doesn't really make much sense. First off, who would be dumb enough to think that straights don't stereotype gays? It's human nature to stereotype. That's why good parents teach their kids not to judge... Even if you were raised right humans still end up doing it instinctively. We can't help ourselves.

    What was Leandro trying to say? I was w/ him all the way up to "community." After that I have no idea what he was trying to say. What is he saying straights are more educated and well informed on? This post is a frankenstein. The OP compiled this mess from several sources and the message seems unclear and useless.

    Why do people try to generalize something as dynamic as humans? Humans vary regardless of orientation, race, religion, etc. We can't be boiled down to a simple all inclusive generic label like gays or straights. Those labels can't define us. Douche bags though... It doesn't matter how dynamic you are. If you're a douche bag, you're a douche bag! Sorry Vic lol.
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    wrestlervic saidThis is an interview I did with Exotic Adrian Street, a famous pro wrestler whose character was flamboyant. He is not gay. Watch the whole thing and listen closely.

    This one's for you Leandro, who said in another thread "straight people nowadays are a lot more educated and well informed then many in our own gay community don't want the rest of us to believe!"



    This post doesn't really make much sense. First off, who would be dumb enough to think that straights don't stereotype gays? It's human nature to stereotype. That's why good parents teach their kids not to judge... Even if you were raised right humans still end up doing it instinctively. We can't help ourselves.

    What was Leandro trying to say? I was w/ him all the way up to "community." After that I have no idea what he was trying to say. What is he saying straights are more educated and well informed on? This post is a frankenstein. The OP compiled this mess from several sources and the message seems unclear and useless.

    Why do people try to generalize something as dynamic as humans? Humans vary regardless of orientation, race, religion, etc. We can't be boiled down to a simple all inclusive generic label like gays or straights. Those labels can't define us. Douche bags though... It doesn't matter how dynamic you are. If you're a douche bag, you're a douche bag! Sorry Vic lol.


    You're lost? The point being made seems to be clear to most thinking people. Adrian Street, a straight man who "played" gay for some 40 years, still stereotypes gay men and thinks negatively of them. "I wouldn't want my kids watching them prance around the streets etc."

    This contradicts what Leandro says when he states that most straight people are "a lot more educated and well informed" about the gay community.

    If that is not clear to you I can't help you. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 15, 2010 6:58 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidLeandro, how many times does this have to be said by me and others. GAY STEREOTYPES DOMINATE VIRTUALLY ALL GAY MEDIA.

    Every time someone says "Hey, show more of a mix" you come off thinking we want to kick out all fem shows. That's not what is being said. So when we see another "Rupaul" or "50 Faggots" it becomes more and more apparent that there is a desire to "gay wash" everything. It's sort of the reverse of what you were saying about "white wash."



    Do you honestly think I care about what Rupaul or the "50 faggots" do with their lives or even to my image as a gay person?

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    Wow, OK, I missed this reply, and I think this says it all. This is where we differ a lot. I and MANY gay men DO care how we are represented in the media, especially when we are misrepresented as a stereotype of only one type. Just as another poster had said earlier, if every TV show and movie depiction of a black man were to be a stereotype, that wouldn't sit well for that community either.

    I am really taken aback that you really don't care, according to your statement above, how absolutely one-sided the gay entertainment is. How they don't represent probably about 50-80% of the guys on this site. I guess as long as they represent you, and entertain you, that's OK. Right.

    Good luck with that. Good god. I'm sure you're going to reply that you don't look to the gay media to define you, which is absolutely your right, but it is HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD DEFINES US. The media is really the biggest most powerful voice we have that is seen by all.

    I think we deserve programming that accurately represents All of us.
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    Apr 15, 2010 7:50 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    You're lost? The point being made seems to be clear to most thinking people. Adrian Street, a straight man who "played" gay for some 40 years, still stereotypes gay men and thinks negatively of them. "I wouldn't want my kids watching them prance around the streets etc."

    This contradicts what Leandro says when he states that most straight people are "a lot more educated and well informed" about the gay community.

    If that is not clear to you I can't help you. icon_rolleyes.gif


    WTF!? You're worse than a douche bag! You're a douche lord. Just because you have a video that conveniently yet weakly supports your views doesn't disprove Leandro's argument. The fact that you made the video basically invalidates it as a credible reference for your argument. Your sample size of 2 hand picked wrestlers is laughable at best. I'm not saying Leandro was right but I am saying you make me laugh.
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    Apr 15, 2010 7:54 AM GMT
    sure the misconception is out there: gays are flamboyant

    but if you want to represent the masculine, straight-acting gay guy on the media, how does one do that without acquiring that gay-lilt on his voice or swishing his hips while walking. must he spout every once in a while ¨I am gay!¨ so as not to be misconstrued for a straight man? (ok i exaggerate)

    i can´t blame the media for portraying the flamboyant gay-type to represent us. they stand out in the crowd, which i believe showbiz is all about, and probably the rationale behind Adrian´s act.

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    Apr 15, 2010 8:02 AM GMT
    KissingPro saidOh please.

    Gay men themselves do a better job of stereotyping and ridiculing gay men much better than straight men ever can....hands down.


    yup
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    Apr 15, 2010 8:06 AM GMT
    when we talk about demographics, groups of people as a whole, you can't avoid stereotyping. Especially about groups you're not a part of yourself.
    But of course some stereotyping is more ignorant and insulting than other.

    I'm positive that all straight men at some level stereotype gay men, negative or positive. Those who are more openminded or "educated" on gay demographics will just operate with a range of varied stereotypes instead of just one.

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    Apr 15, 2010 8:21 AM GMT
    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidWhen I came out to my guy friend, one of the things he said to me that had me laughin so HARD was "but you hate shopping more than I do!"

    He had no idea it was possible for a gay man to be more masculine than him



    Yeah when I told one of my teammates in college I was attracted to guys he responded as if he didn't realize a gay guy could be like a regular guy. I'm not like Rambo but I'm not flaming either.

    The media does usually only portray gay men as fringe stereotypes, doesn't help. It's more attention getting that way or entertaining I think, just embeds the stereotype in people's mind though. There's not much to watch if a gay guy is portrayed as just a normal guy, except gay sex or affection.
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    Apr 15, 2010 8:59 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic said
    You're lost? The point being made seems to be clear to most thinking people. Adrian Street, a straight man who "played" gay for some 40 years, still stereotypes gay men and thinks negatively of them. "I wouldn't want my kids watching them prance around the streets etc."

    This contradicts what Leandro says when he states that most straight people are "a lot more educated and well informed" about the gay community.

    If that is not clear to you I can't help you. icon_rolleyes.gif


    WTF!? You're worse than a douche bag! You're a douche lord. Just because you have a video that conveniently yet weakly supports your views doesn't disprove Leandro's argument. The fact that you made the video basically invalidates it as a credible reference for your argument. Your sample size of 2 hand picked wrestlers is laughable at best. I'm not saying Leandro was right but I am saying you make me laugh.


    Dude, you are seriously disturbed? I made this documentary back in 2005-2006 and brought it out for this discussion as just one example. Had enough steriods or out of lithium there buddy. No need to respond, I won't be reading your posts.

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    Apr 15, 2010 9:02 AM GMT
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    ChilaxinJOCK09 saidWhen I came out to my guy friend, one of the things he said to me that had me laughin so HARD was "but you hate shopping more than I do!"

    He had no idea it was possible for a gay man to be more masculine than him



    Yeah when I told one of my teammates in college I was attracted to guys he responded as if he didn't realize a gay guy could be like a regular guy. I'm not like Rambo but I'm not flaming either.

    The media does usually only portray gay men as fringe stereotypes, doesn't help. It's more attention getting that way or entertaining I think, just embeds the stereotype in people's mind though. There's not much to watch if a gay guy is portrayed as just a normal guy, except gay sex or affection.


    Exactly. Glad others are finally making the point as well. Thank you.
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    Apr 15, 2010 9:14 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidDude, you are seriously disturbed? I made this documentary back in 2005-2006 and brought it out for this discussion as just one example. Had enough steriods or out of lithium there buddy. No need to respond, I won't be reading your posts.

    God, muscles but no brains.


    "Dude, you are seriously disturbed?" Was that meant to be a question or a statement?

    Brought your 4yo video out as just one example... It was the only example you referenced for your argument though... You built your entire case on a video you made!

    If I have no brains then how do I know better than to make dumb assertions like, "so you think straight men don't stereotype gay men?" Seriously, what Alaskan sheep herder is naive enough to believe straight men don't stereotype gays?

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