Republican Party Comeback?

  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Apr 11, 2010 1:45 PM GMT
    Question: Are Independents really leaning considerably to the right, or are the Republicans just trying to bolster their base in the hope of generating excitement for their party?
  • MikemikeMike

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    Apr 11, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
    yes and we give free Obama chia heads if you sighn up-yes they do make them-they're real.
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Apr 11, 2010 2:22 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidyes and we give free Obama chia heads if you sighn up-yes they do make them-they're real.


    Yeahhh, think I'll pass.....Thanks tho. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 11, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    I listened to a really good show about the independents in America... there's often a misconception employed by the media that makes them seem like a) fringers or b) confused and indecisive individuals.

    It's of course wrong. Independents lean many places on many things. Much of the anxiety is that while there's two parties in America (a duopoly that doesn't go unappreciated to Independents) it means virtually nothing when it comes to foreign policy and the concessions to the American people are relatively small, watered down pieces of legislation and entirely ideological in nature what isn't the product of extensive lobbying.


    Now... whether independents have the same articulation I do about their American politics I can't know.
  • rnch

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    Apr 11, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    until the GOP stops ass kissing the Religious Right they will never regain their popularity. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 11, 2010 4:18 PM GMT
    rnch saiduntil the GOP stops ass kissing the Religious Right they will never regain their popularity. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif


    Unless there's a lot of religious right... remember their numbers are MASSIVE and that's why Republicans targeted them in the first place.
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    Apr 11, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    I think you've been watching too much Fox News. There is absolutely no proof that Independents are leaning to the right. That's not to say the GOP isn't hanging its hat on that right now, but I don't buy it.
  • yogadudeSEATT...

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    Apr 11, 2010 4:26 PM GMT
    I don't buy it either. The DNC raised 2 million more than the RNC last month. People speak with their wallets in America. Sadly.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 11, 2010 4:36 PM GMT
    It's just the way the political cycle and wind blows. It changes every few years. Americans are a fickle bunch. One minute they love the President, the next they loathe the President. Nothing ever stays the same forever in politics. To say that Republicans won't make a comeback is kind of unrealistic and basically nothing more than wishful thinking...and a few years after that the Dems will make a comeback...and so on...and so on. It's just the way it goes.
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    Apr 11, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    rnch saiduntil the GOP stops ass kissing the Religious Right they will never regain their popularity. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif

    The party in power in Congress, particularly when they also hold the White House, typically loses seats in the 2-year mid-term elections, that is, the ones held between the 4-year Presidential elections. That Democrats will lose seats in 2010 would be normal for either party.

    This year, however, I think Democrats will lose a disproportionate number of seats and possibly their dual majorities in the House & Senate. The teabagger movement is stronger than many realize. Hate & ignorance are powerful weapons that Republican leaders are skillfully using to their advantage.

    Just as they previously used fundamentalist Christians as their agents, and victimized gays to consolidate their base, two tactics they continue to pursue, the teabaggers add one more tool to the political repertoire of Republicans. I think it will work for them very effectively this November. If they can take Ted Kennedy's Senate seat in Massachusetts by these means, there is nothing the Republicans can't achieve.
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    Apr 11, 2010 4:48 PM GMT
    Fact.... The conservative (often 'angry') white male that is the base of the republican party is a minority in this country. It will continue to become a smaller minority as each day passes. Youth, Hispanics, Jews, gays, blacks and other minority classes vote overwhelmingly democratic... and taken collectively are a majority in the USA. their ranks are growing and will continue to do so. while the republican party will have its moments of glory in the future, the coming decades will see the republican party relegated to the role of a contrarian voice. A necessary 'evil' if you will...
  • sportsjockla

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    Apr 11, 2010 4:54 PM GMT
    The Tea Party is actually isolating the GOP even more. The more Sarah Palin is out there speaking for the GOP, the more they lose ground.
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    Apr 11, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix saidQuestion: Are Independents really leaning considerably to the right, or are the Republicans just trying to bolster their base in the hope of generating excitement for their party?


    Remember, independents who lean right are NOT the Republican base. And independents who lean left are not the Democratic base. The base of any party is made up of the hard core members of that party, not disenchanted fence sitters.

    That said, it's likely that independents are leaning a bit right at this time. But The party in power always gets blame for a bad economy no matter who initiated the bad economy. And as the economy improves and jobs come back, independents will start leaning back the other way as Democrats take credit (rightly or wrongly) for the improvement, and Republicans are labeled as obstructionists. What matters is timing: Will jobs come back in real numbers before or after the November election?
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    Apr 11, 2010 6:43 PM GMT

    Oddly, your question was posed to me by someone here in Schellenberg a day or so ago. Over the last year I have traveled throughout the U.S. with an occasional trip to Europe or the Mideast much like now and can only say I see a dramatic change in how people view Barack Obama. He is that which all be be pinned on. That is what I told my friend here.

    Having said that, do not imply that I think the Republican party is resurgent any more than I think America has turned in their Republican I.D. card for a Democratic I.D. card. What has happened is a shift: one where many white voters were willing to give Barack Obama a chance and now would not vote for him -- or his Congress -- if given a viable choice. The key word being viable. If you don't believe me get out and about in communities that are not hard core Republican or hard core Democrat. The Tribe is reforming.

    The democratic base, the one most vocal on RealJock, will never see any candidate as viable other than Barack Obama. And these guys ARE NOT those Independents who may very well vote otherwise in November 2010 and November 2012.

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    Apr 11, 2010 7:32 PM GMT
    The pendulum will swing once more, the Republicans will be in power agin, and the failures of the democratic eara will be highlighted. many left wing will remain blind to the failures of their party, and life goes on.
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    Apr 11, 2010 7:46 PM GMT
    I think a REAL independent does not allow him/herself to become attached to any party, but votes each election and issues according to it's merits. I do know however there are a lot of people that call themselves "Independent" that are really republicans that were embarrassed with the last republican fiasco and so choose to wear the "mask" of independent to avoid being associated with it. The same is especially true of the Tea Bagger types.

    Now that they can use the smokescreen of the current Presidency and try to blame our problems on him, they might have a chance if enough people forget.

    Oh well, there is a saying:
    As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.
    and
    "A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud."
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    Apr 11, 2010 7:49 PM GMT
    With wackos like Palin and Bachmann out there...who are now the face of the GOP.......Regular Republicans are going to be turned off and not come out and vote this November.


    AND now add Governor BOB McDonnell of Virginia....


    Oh, and Michael Steele...... OY VEY!


    THE GOP is shrinking.

    Independents won't vote at all this Fall


    It's 2010....THE GOP wishes.....SO WISHES it was the 1950's again....where white men knew how to put women and blacks "in their place."
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    Apr 11, 2010 8:05 PM GMT
    Until the GOP drops Palin, Bachman, the Tea Baggers, and the religious right, I will most likely continue to choose the "lesser of two evils," the Democrats.

    Moderate republicans can still get my vote, and they do in local and state elections... but for me to support a presidential candidate, the GOP is gonna have to clean house.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 11, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
    I watched Sean Hannity's interview of Palin and Bachman and I was actually dumbfounded at how in one segment, he used a poll that makes the claim that 40% of the TEA PARTY is made of Democrats and Independents and then in the next segment that the movement is in order to bring back more conservatism.

    Now what is dumbfounding in this rhetoric is that he thinks he's fooling people into believing that moderate Republicans are more liberal than these Democrats and Independents.

    I think they're reaching hard and realize it and are trying to echo a supposed grass roots movement that is firmly planted by corporate money. I don't think they will be as successful as they expect in November. They will have some successes, but not the significant ones they think.

    On a similar note, it was very strange to hear two different conservative positions about the Democrat's claim that the GOP is the party of NO. Newt Gingrich denies it and says that they have solutions, but at the same event, Palin accepts the NO descriptor and goes on about policies and the Constitution. Two very different messages by two people on the same team at the same event. That's not how it's done...

    My take on the current conservative movement is as follows:

    1) Emboldened by the Bush Administration's direct use of FOX News as its media arm, FOX News is now diminishing the need for a centralized party strategy position, and it also doesn't help that RNC Chair Steele isn't doing a good job of his own. The whole intent of FOX News to take this position is not only to control the message, but to move the party further to the right, which will alienate conservative Democrats and Independents (except southbeach...haha!)

    2) The above analysis leads me to believe that the conservative movement is hurting itself because the TEA PARTY has money, but not enough supporters and the GOP has enough supporters and not enough money. The two have to work together, which is not occurring as evident in the different views by Gingrich and Palin. Gingrich still represents the Big Tent Republican GOP that Rush Limbaugh single-handedly collapsed last year, and Palin represents the TEA PARTY/FOX NEWS calculation.

    3) Should the two views find common ground, it will kill the TEA PARTY as most of these activists despise either major party, Democrats and Republicans, and have already declared they will not support the movement if it decides to become a viable third party or accepts moderate Republicans. I don't see that happening until a few bitter losses by the GOP.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 11, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
    sportsjockla saidThe Tea Party is actually isolating the GOP even more. The more Sarah Palin is out there speaking for the GOP, the more they lose ground.



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  • Tiller66

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    Apr 11, 2010 8:36 PM GMT
    Well as far as a republican come back goes the biggest driving force is Obama himself.With his half vetted picks for important posts,to the choice of the walking gaff machine that is the vice-pres.And last and likly the worst pushing health care before jobs,now I know we needed something done with health care but why not start with a few things that would be easier to do with health care and do some job building at the same time.But of course it is likely easier said then done.As far as the question of indies leaning right or left is to fluid to really say they are one or the other b/c indies can/will do what they feel.
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    Apr 11, 2010 11:11 PM GMT
    I don't know that independents are leaning right so much that they aren't thrilled with what Obama and the Democrats have achieved. I've always viewed Independents as prizing results above party and since the economy is still pretty bad (although not as bad as it could have been), they will be more inclined to vote for the GOP in the fall if things don't pick up. However, as the GOP gets increasingly strident in tone and plays more to their base, I think that will turn off Independents. I guess we'll see come November.
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    Apr 11, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    We're making a comeback.

    A lot of younger voters who were swept up in Obama-mania have fallen out of love with him and are now switching sides. Even among the aforementioned minority demographics.
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    Apr 11, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    The accomplishments are mostly expensive pieces of legislation that could bankrupt us if not handled carefully (think Greece). The US is not a major manufacturing power anymore.

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    Apr 11, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
    Fearthefall saidWe're making a comeback.

    A lot of younger voters who were swept up in Obama-mania have fallen out of love with him and are now switching sides. Even among the aforementioned minority demographics.


    A) not true to the extent you think.

    And B) many of these youngsters are questioning the two-party system more than simply "switching sides" as though salvation lay in the other brand of corruption.