If the democrats do not feel threatend by Tea party's, then why

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    Apr 13, 2010 12:02 PM GMT
    do they have to stoop to such low levels to do their best to make sure they don't succeed?

    Why do they have infiltrate their meeting, and go out of their way to make them look dumb?

    If they was not winners then the Dem's would be sitting back laughing slapping each other on the backs, waithing for them to hang themselves.

    But no me brothers that not what they is doing. They have to play dirty trick to make them look dumb to the American people, why because they fear them, and the power they may have.

    These are the actions of natzis I'm sorry, and not good wholesome people wanting the best for America, but themselves.

    So if the Dem's have nothing to fear, why do they have to play so dirty?

    What are you going to do when small business stop operating and farmers stop growing grain, so you all can eat bread? What ya gonna do then me brothers?

    I praise God I'm an Aussie living in Oz.
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    Apr 13, 2010 12:06 PM GMT
    I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about.

    The Tea Partiers are not a true electoral force in American politics. Though they claim credit for electing Scott Brown, the polls tell a different story and the other elections they have involved themselves in, NY-23, for example, all they've done is split the Republican vote and get the Dem elected.

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    Apr 13, 2010 12:14 PM GMT
    Pattison saidI praise God I'm an Aussie living in Oz.

    AMEN!!!
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    Apr 13, 2010 2:53 PM GMT
    Not sure why I bother responding to you, but the best thing about the tea party is that we dont have to make them look dumb, They do it all on their own.
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    Apr 13, 2010 2:56 PM GMT
    Oh, patticakes, it's a plot to make YOU look dumb. And guess what? It's working.
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    chungo44 saidNot sure why I bother responding to you, but the best thing about the tea party is that we dont have to make them look dumb, They do it all on their own.


    Yeah, the Tea Party looks really stupid right now. They keep on protesting with horribly spelled signs. Plus, they keep on coming across as easily scammable and already having sold out with that convention. To me, it seems like they are hanging themselves. Like that video of them (or someone) being glad that Chicago didn't get the 2016 Olympics to make the Democrats appear "bad and incompetent." How petty and lame can you get?
    Don't really know what Pattison is talking about with the Dems.

    And Sarah Palin
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    chungo44 saidNot sure why I bother responding to you, but the best thing about the tea party is that we dont have to make them look dumb, They do it all on their own.


    If they do it on their own then why feel the need to infiltrate meetings and pretend to be tea party members? Hmmmm....icon_biggrin.gif



    Also btw, the Tea Party is gaining members at a rapid pace so all of this infiltration is not working.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2010/tea_party_48_obama_44

    Tea Party 48% Obama 44%
    Monday, April 05, 2010

    On major issues, 48% of voters say that the average Tea Party member is closer to their views than President Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 44% hold the opposite view and believe the president’s views are closer to their own.

    Not surprisingly, Republicans overwhelmingly feel closer to the Tea Party and most Democrats say that their views are more like Obama’s. Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.

    The partisan divide is similar to that found in the President’s Job Approval Ratings and on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

    “Unaffiliated voters are continuing the pattern they established in 2006 and 2008 of opposing the party in power,” notes Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports. In his new book, Scott makes the case that “the American people don’t want to be governed from the left, the right, or the center. They want to govern themselves.” In Search of Self-Governance has received positive reviews from across the political spectrum and is available at Rasmussen Reports and Amazon.com.

    (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

    Eighty-seven percent (87%) of those in the Political Class say their views are closer to the president. The Obama Administration has created a significantly larger government and political role in the economy.

    Sixty-three percent (63%) of Mainstream Americans say their views are closer to the Tea Party.

    Last week, Rasmussen Reports released data showing that 47% of voters felt closer to the views of Tea Party members than to Congress. Only 26% felt closer to Congress.

    The new polling found that just 33% believe their views are closer to the average member of a Labor Union than to Congress. In fact, a plurality of voters were undecided when asked about that comparison. While 48% of Democrats said their own views were closer to the average union member, most Republicans and unaffiliated voters could not choose between the two.

    In a head-to-head comparison, 45% felt closer to the average Tea Party Member while 35% felt closer to the average union member.

    Fifty-three percent (53%) believe their views are closer to the average school teacher than to Congress. Teachers scored six points higher than the Tea Party members when compared to Congress.

    In a head-to-head match-up, 47% said they felt closer to the average school teacher while 41% said they felt closer to the average Tea Party member. Once again, the results betray a heavy partisan difference. Democrats prefer the school teachers, Republicans are closer to the Tea Party, and unaffiliated voters are evenly divided.

    Earlier polling found that just 16% of voters nationwide consider themselves part of the Tea Party Movement. However, views of the Tea Party remain more positive than negative among voters. Just 11% believe Congress is doing a good or an excellent job.

    Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it’s free) or follow us on Twitter or Facebook. Let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news.

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    chungo44 saidNot sure why I bother responding to you, but the best thing about the tea party is that we dont have to make them look dumb, They do it all on their own.


    If they do it on their own then why feel the need to infiltrate meetings and pretend to be tea party members?? Hmmmm....icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    Quoting Rasmussen is like quoting FOX News -- worthless. Rasmussen does its own phone polling, devises the questions itself, chooses what demographic it calls. As soon as we read someone referencing Rasmussen, we know what we're about to hear: right-wing propaganda. icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:28 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidQuoting Rasmussen is like quoting FOX News -- worthless. Rasmussen does its own phone polling, devises the questions itself, chooses what demographic it calls. As soon as we read someone referencing Rasmussen, we know what we're about to hear. icon_razz.gif


    Actually, Rasmussen is a active contributor to both NBC and CNN. Just b/c you dont see polls that you dont agree with doesnt make it wrong. If you woudl actually GO ON RASMUSSEN'S site you will see a lot of polls where Obama and liberals were quite popular in the past but the tide has turned buddy.icon_biggrin.gif Here is one example. Also, instead of insulting and "attacking" why dont you provide solutions and facts to arguments?icon_biggrin.gif

    Actually LOOK towards the bottom of this poll to early 2009. Who was in the lead? DEMOCRATS. Oh yes Rasmussen is a right wing company. LOL.



    Generic Congressional Ballot: Republicans 47%, Democrats 38%

    Date
    Dem
    GOP

    04-04-10
    38%
    47%

    03-28-10
    39%
    46%

    03-21-10
    35%
    43%

    03-14-10
    35%
    45%

    03-07-10
    37%
    44%

    02-28-10
    36%
    44%

    02-21-10
    35%
    44%

    02-14-10
    36%
    45%

    02-07-10
    36%
    44%

    01-31-10
    38%
    45%

    01-24-10
    37%
    46%

    01-17-10
    37%
    45%

    01-10-10
    36%
    45%

    01-03-10
    35%
    44%

    12-27-09
    38%
    43%

    12-20-09
    36%
    44%

    12-13-09
    37%
    44%

    12-06-09
    39%
    43%

    11-29-09
    37%
    44%

    11-22-09
    37%
    44%

    11-15-09
    38%
    44%

    11-08-09
    37%
    43%

    11-01-09
    38%
    42%

    10-25-09
    38%
    42%

    10-18-09
    37%
    42%

    10-11-09
    39%
    41%

    10-04-09
    39%
    43%

    09-27-09
    40%
    42%

    09-20-09
    38%
    42%

    09-13-09
    40%
    41%

    09-06-09
    37%
    44%

    08-30-09
    36%
    43%

    08-23-09
    38%
    43%

    08-16-09
    38%
    43%

    08-09-09
    38%
    42%

    08-02-09
    38%
    43%

    07-26-09
    39%
    42%

    07-19-09
    38%
    42%

    07-12-09
    37%
    40%

    07-05-09
    38%
    41%

    06-28-09
    39%
    41%

    06-21-09
    41%
    39%

    06-14-09
    39%
    39%

    06-07-09
    40%
    40%

    05-31-09
    38%
    37%

    05-24-09
    41%
    38%

    05-17-09
    40%
    39%

    05-10-09
    39%
    40%

    05-03-09
    39%
    40%

    04-26-09
    38%
    41%

    04-19-09
    39%
    39%

    04-12-09
    38%
    38%

    04-05-09
    40%
    39%

    03-29-09
    42%
    38%

    03-22-09
    41%
    38%

    03-15-09
    39%
    41%

    03-08-09
    42%
    38%

    03-01-09
    41%
    39%

    02-22-09
    41%
    37%

    02-15-09
    41%
    39%

    02-08-09
    40%
    39%

    02-01-09
    42%
    38%

    01-25-09
    42%
    35%

    01-18-09
    42%
    35%

    01-11-09
    42%
    36%





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    Apr 13, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    the tea party needs to be monitored for two reasons: timothy and mcveigh.

    they are gaining steam with the lower intellectual echelons of american and duping them into believing obama is muslim, not an actual US citizen, maoist, socialist, communist, fascist, and every other really bad thing you can imagine...including the :cue scary music: anti-christ.

    most of these people are unemployed and without hope. they are the new post-WWI germans of the 21st century. angry, without hope, and willing to follow anyone who will do something destructive.

    so long as palin gets away with horseshit like "death panels," she will say whatever she wants and the angry masses will follow.

    once things get righted economically speaking, the tea party will become the kool-aid klatch and move to south america and start their own "country."
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    rangard saidthe tea party needs to be monitored for two reasons: timothy and mcveigh.

    they are gaining steam with the lower intellectual echelons of american and duping them into believing obama is muslim, not an actual US citizen, maoist, socialist, communist, fascist, and every other really bad thing you can imagine...including the :cue scary music: anti-christ.

    most of these people are unemployed and without hope. they are the new post-WWI germans of the 21st century. angry, without hope, and willing to follow anyone who will do something destructive.

    so long as palin gets away with horseshit like "death panels," she will say whatever she wants and the angry masses will follow.

    once things get righted economically speaking, the tea party will become the kool-aid klatch and move to south america and start their own "country."


    Actually quite the opposite. There are many small business owners at these rally's and meetings. I am one of them and frankly we discuss a wide range of issues but mainly taxes and how to work through current and future regulations. Also, i would venture to say maybe 40% independents at these meetings and a lot who voted Obama. Are there ignorant folks at rallys? Absolutely but the numbers are low.
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    If we're to take a cue from tea party leaders like Michelle "Crazy Eyes" Bachmann and Sarah Palin, I'd say the numbers of crazies are anything but low.
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    Actually quite the opposite. There are many small business owners at these rally's and meetings. I am one of them and frankly we discuss a wide range of issues but mainly taxes and how to work through current and future regulations. Also, i would venture to say maybe 40% independents at these meetings and a lot who voted Obama. Are there ignorant folks at rallys? Absolutely but the numbers are low.


    well, i guess you're one up on me cuz i've never been to one of their meetings. i'm guessing too that they aren't exactly the gay-embracing types. i'm also guessing you're not "out" and likely are some church member conglomerate posting under the guise of one of us...likely to "help us out by pointing out where we've been mistaken." it happens a lot on the interwebz.

    you can have your tea party, and if violence is your only way to bring about change, then god (yours included) help us all.
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    If the tea party gets violent, we'll take their walkers, wheelchairs and antidepressants away.
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    McGay saidIf we're to take a cue from tea party leaders like Michelle "Crazy Eyes" Bachmann and Sarah Palin, I'd say the numbers of crazies are anything but low.


    I can only speak for rally's and meetings here in PA and overwhelmingly these are normal hard working folks, small busniess owner and people who are fed up with the skyrocketing deficit that happened under Bush and now at a historic rate under Obama. You will not meet too many fiscal conservatives who are fond of Bush. The below report from the CBO is exactly why people are livid---and rightfully so. Also, please dont say spending was needed to turn the economy around. Spending was wasted and funneled to the wrong hands ....see stimulus,etc. Spending OBVIOUSLY didnt turn around the economy. See 9.7% unemployment (BO promised under 8% immediately when stimulus was passed)


    March 21, 2009

    CBO predicts unsustainable deficits under Obama
    Congressional Budget Office says $9.3 trillion in red ink over decade
    . White House: Deficits will be less.
    ANDREW TAYLOR Associated Press Writer


    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s budget would generate unsustainably large deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year over the next decade, according to new estimates released Friday.

    The new Congressional Budget Office figures predict Obama’s budget will produce $9.3 trillion worth of red ink over 2010-2019. That’s $2.3 trillion worse than the administration predicted in its budget just last month.

    Worst of all, CBO says the deficit under Obama’s policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level

    The latest figures throw a major monkey wrench into efforts to enact Obama’s budget, which promises universal health care for all and higher spending for domestic programs like education and research into renewable energy.

    The dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, inevitably raise the prospect that Obama and his allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends or else pare back his agenda.

    White House budget chief Peter Orszag said that CBO’s long-range economic projections are more pessimistic than those of the White House, private economists and the Federal Reserve and that he remained confident that Obama’s budget, if enacted, would produce smaller deficits.

    Even so, Orszag acknowledged that if the CBO projections prove accurate, Obama’s budget would produce deficits that could not be sustained.

    “Deficits in the, let’s say, 5 percent of GDP range would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios that would ultimately not be sustainable,” Orszag told reporters.

    Deficits so big put upward pressure on interest rates as the government offers more attractive interest rates to attract borrowers.

    “I think deficits of 5 percent (of GDP) are unsupportable,” said economist Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com. “It will lead to higher interest rates to the point where it will force policymakers to make changes.”

    Republicans immediately piled on.

    “This report should serve as the wake-up call this Administration needs,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. “We simply cannot continue to mortgage our children and grandchildren’s future to pay for bigger and more costly government.”

    But Obama insisted on Friday that his agenda is still on track.

    “What we will not cut are investments that will lead to real growth and prosperity over the long term,” Obama said. “That’s why our budget makes a historic commitment to comprehensive health care reform. That’s why it enhances America’s competitiveness by reducing our dependence on foreign oil and building a clean energy economy.”


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    Apr 13, 2010 3:51 PM GMT
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    McGay saidIf we're to take a cue from tea party leaders like Michelle "Crazy Eyes" Bachmann and Sarah Palin, I'd say the numbers of crazies are anything but low.


    I can only speak for rally's and meetings here in PA and overwhelmingly these are normal hard working folks, small busniess owner and people who are fed up with the skyrocketing deficit that happened under Bush and now at a historic rate under Obama. You will not meet too many fiscal conservatives who are fond of Bush. The below report from the CBO is exactly why people are livid---and rightfully so. Also, please dont say spending was needed to turn the economy around. Spending was wasted and funneled to the wrong hands ....see stimulus,etc. Spending OBVIOUSLY didnt turn around the economy. See 9.7% unemployment (BO promised under 8% immediately when stimulus was passed)


    March 21, 2009

    CBO predicts unsustainable deficits under Obama
    Congressional Budget Office says $9.3 trillion in red ink over decade
    . White House: Deficits will be less.
    ANDREW TAYLOR Associated Press Writer


    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s budget would generate unsustainably large deficits averaging almost $1 trillion a year over the next decade, according to new estimates released Friday.

    The new Congressional Budget Office figures predict Obama’s budget will produce $9.3 trillion worth of red ink over 2010-2019. That’s $2.3 trillion worse than the administration predicted in its budget just last month.

    Worst of all, CBO says the deficit under Obama’s policies would never go below 4 percent of the size of the economy, figures that economists agree are unsustainable. By the end of the decade, the deficit would exceed 5 percent of gross domestic product, a dangerously high level

    The latest figures throw a major monkey wrench into efforts to enact Obama’s budget, which promises universal health care for all and higher spending for domestic programs like education and research into renewable energy.

    The dismal deficit figures, if they prove to be accurate, inevitably raise the prospect that Obama and his allies controlling Congress would have to consider raising taxes after the recession ends or else pare back his agenda.

    White House budget chief Peter Orszag said that CBO’s long-range economic projections are more pessimistic than those of the White House, private economists and the Federal Reserve and that he remained confident that Obama’s budget, if enacted, would produce smaller deficits.

    Even so, Orszag acknowledged that if the CBO projections prove accurate, Obama’s budget would produce deficits that could not be sustained.

    “Deficits in the, let’s say, 5 percent of GDP range would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios that would ultimately not be sustainable,” Orszag told reporters.

    Deficits so big put upward pressure on interest rates as the government offers more attractive interest rates to attract borrowers.

    “I think deficits of 5 percent (of GDP) are unsupportable,” said economist Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com. “It will lead to higher interest rates to the point where it will force policymakers to make changes.”

    Republicans immediately piled on.

    “This report should serve as the wake-up call this Administration needs,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. “We simply cannot continue to mortgage our children and grandchildren’s future to pay for bigger and more costly government.”

    But Obama insisted on Friday that his agenda is still on track.

    “What we will not cut are investments that will lead to real growth and prosperity over the long term,” Obama said. “That’s why our budget makes a historic commitment to comprehensive health care reform. That’s why it enhances America’s competitiveness by reducing our dependence on foreign oil and building a clean energy economy.”




    "overwhelmingly these are normal hard working folks"

    So hard working that they can go and act like carnival barkers at teabagging rallies. So hard working that they can't put two letters together to successfully spell out their protest on a sign. Normal? You really want to call these people normal? Well, I suppose I should consider the source of that idea. Does everybody at these rallies wear paper bags on their heads so nobody can ID them as you similarly do here, Mr. Normal?
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    how can PAstud type/cut&paste out SO many words...but have so little to say? icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:58 PM GMT
    rnch saidhow can PAstud type/cut&paste out SO many words...but have so little to say? icon_lol.gif

    I suspect he's paid by the word to do it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 13, 2010 3:59 PM GMT
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    Actually quite the opposite. There are many small business owners at these rally's and meetings. I am one of them and frankly we discuss a wide range of issues but mainly taxes and how to work through current and future regulations. Also, i would venture to say maybe 40% independents at these meetings and a lot who voted Obama. Are there ignorant folks at rallys? Absolutely but the numbers are low.


    well, i guess you're one up on me cuz i've never been to one of their meetings. i'm guessing too that they aren't exactly the gay-embracing types. i'm also guessing you're not "out" and likely are some church member conglomerate posting under the guise of one of us...likely to "help us out by pointing out where we've been mistaken." it happens a lot on the interwebz.

    you can have your tea party, and if violence is your only way to bring about change, then god (yours included) help us all.



    Here is the thing bud: I am not there to push gay rights. The purpose of the Tea Party is economic. We are very concerned about the deficit, jobs,etc. It has very little or nothing to do with gay rights, abortions,war....whatever. Of course there will be a few randoms who push these other agendas (just like in ANY group both liberal and conservative). Health care is a big thing to due to the excessive taxes put on job creators. The unemployment rates sits at 9.7% with very little being done to work with job creators. All we see is gov't growing and this naturally concerns Americans. Most jobs are created by companies who employ 50-400 employees and who would hire when healthcare coverage is demanded, brand new 3.8% medicare tax on profits, heavier regulations which slow down/deter process improvements,etc. What is happeneing is a lot of business owners are turning to temp agencies to hire folks due to all of this nonsense. This will continue.
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    Apr 13, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    What, you're here to drum up support for the tea party? Are you for real? I don't think even the Republicans here support the tea party and if anyone is likely to, it'd be Republicans over Democrats. You're not only a closet case and a coward who's biggest muscle is the word "fag", you're a fool.
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    Apr 13, 2010 4:07 PM GMT
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    Pattison saidI praise God I'm an Aussie living in Oz.

    AMEN!!!



    believe me, so do i.
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    PAstud21 saidHere is the thing bud: I am not there to push gay rights. The purpose of the Tea Party is economic. We are very concerned about the deficit, jobs,etc. It has very little or nothing to do with gay rights, abortions,war....whatever. Of course there will be a few randoms who push these other agendas (just like in ANY group both liberal and conservative). Health care is a big thing to due to the excessive taxes put on job creators. The unemployment rates sits at 9.7% with very little being done to work with job creators. All we see is gov't growing and this naturally concerns Americans. Most jobs are created by companies who employ 50-400 employees and who would hire when healthcare coverage is demanded, brand new 3.8% medicare tax on profits, heavier regulations which slow down/deter process improvements,etc. What is happeneing is a lot of business owners are turning to temp agencies to hire folks due to all of this nonsense. This will continue.

    What a load of crap. You were silent about all this in the Bush years. Now that there's a Democratic President and Congress suddenly all of this matters?
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    Apr 13, 2010 4:10 PM GMT
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    Here is the thing bud: I am not there to push gay rights.


    you are so right. "gay rights" is so 2000s. what with people saying who can marry who, who can adopt who, who will get health benefits, who will be able to hold the hand of a loved one in the end, who will be able to share healthcare, etc., etc., etc...it is so small compared to whether you have to pay taxes or not.

    oppression is for sissies, and best left for the liberal, tree-hugging, bleeding hearts among us. i agree that the real issue is the violent overthrow of the bums in office who are spending all our hard earned (and i do mean entitled) cash.

    where do i sign up for these tea parties? i want to hug and kiss anyone who drinks tea and/or throws it into the bay.

    btw, i'm not your bud.