Vice Pope (pun intended) announce homosexuality is to blame for paedophilia sex scandals.

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    Apr 13, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
    Yes the insane and evil leaders of the catholic church continue their ramblings. After critics have suggested that perhaps the celibacy of priests could be one reason to developing an unhealthy sexuality, this is what the popes right hand man had to say:

    "Cardinal Bertone said: “Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and paedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and paedophilia. That is true. That is the problem.” Cardinal Bertone also said that the church had never impeded investigations of paedophilia by priests.

    Chile’s gay rights advocates reacted with anger. “Neither Bertone nor the Vatican has the moral authority to give lessons on sexuality,” said Rolando Jiménez, president of the Movement for Homosexual Integration and Liberation in Chile.

    for the whole article:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7096149.ece
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    Apr 13, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
    Most pedophilia is perpetrated by heterosexuals. This guy has his head up his ass and god only knows where his dick has been.

    I like how he went fron
    m "so I am told" to "this is true" in the same breath! icon_rolleyes.gif

    The Catholic church is so desperate that it is trying to use homophobia as a screen to protect itself. Talk about moral bankruptcy.
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    Apr 13, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
    I also like how he throws a logic knot our way with this one:

    "Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and paedophilia."

    While its true, people who choose not to fuck AT ALL have a tendency not to fuck kids, this isn't the question. The question is, forcing someone to not fuck cause them to develop unhealthy sexual tendencies. But then again, looking for a straight answer from the catholic church... good luck.
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    Apr 13, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    Pedophiles often get to their prey by taking positions of authority over them.

    If the priests were really gay they'd be getting it on with each other, not the kids. Don't underestimate these ghastly religious leaders...by saying what they're saying they likely have an agenda to tar and feather gay adoptions worldwide.

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    Apr 13, 2010 5:44 PM GMT
    judoguy saidYes the insane and evil leaders of the catholic church continue their ramblings. After critics have suggested that perhaps the celibacy of priests could be one reason to developing an unhealthy sexuality, this is what the popes right hand man had to say:

    "Cardinal Bertone said: “Many psychologists and psychiatrists have demonstrated that there is no relation between celibacy and paedophilia. But many others have demonstrated, I have been told recently, that there is a relation between homosexuality and paedophilia. That is true. That is the problem.” Cardinal Bertone also said that the church had never impeded investigations of paedophilia by priests.

    Chile’s gay rights advocates reacted with anger. “Neither Bertone nor the Vatican has the moral authority to give lessons on sexuality,” said Rolando Jiménez, president of the Movement for Homosexual Integration and Liberation in Chile.

    for the whole article:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7096149.ece
    So I guess the men who molest little girls are just in the closet? icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 13, 2010 5:52 PM GMT
    You know, while I have no doubt that there are a few gay men that are pedophiles, I think that they could be concentrated in numbers in that church for a couple of reasons.

    They know it's wrong, and so seek celibacy and religion to purge themselves of it. That (d'oh!) fails and there they are with ready access to small boys.
    So celibacy enforced in the church DOES have a great deal to do with it. In other faiths where celibacy is not a pre-req, this is rare, from what I can find out with google.

    The straight pedophiles (which comprise the majority of pedophiles) are sometimes/often Bi, so that adds another bad optic of it appearing to be gay priests.

    What an ugly mess.

    -Doug
  • PatrickD81

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    Apr 13, 2010 5:59 PM GMT
    Typical Christian rhetoric. First off, the American Psychological Association has admitted that homosexuality in and of itself is not a mental disorder. Secondly, being homosexual does not immediately result in someone having any other form of mental disorder.

    The Christians in general, not just the Catholic church, need stop using homosexuality as their answer to everything.

    This is why I personally do not practice any organized Christian religion, because I refuse to support a church that tells me I'm going to hell for being a normal, sexually active human being, when Christ himself never said a word against homosexuals in any of the parables in the Bible.

    Some people just don't know how to read...
  • outkast1728

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    Apr 13, 2010 6:16 PM GMT
    In my own personal opinion,


    GOD AND EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH HIM SHOULD BURN IN HELL
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    Apr 13, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
    a link to another story, quite funny. I say go for it!

    Richard Dawkins calls for arrest of Pope.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7094310.ece
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    Apr 13, 2010 7:17 PM GMT
    I really don't believe that people choosing celibacy have any right to lecture anyone on proper sexuality
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    Apr 13, 2010 7:35 PM GMT
    I think it is a real shame that supposedly intelligent and moral people can try to hide behind such a ridiculous statement.

    All of the studies I am aware of on pedophilia make a point that there is no direct link to homosexuality. In fact, the studies show that it is extremely rare to find a homosexual who is also a pedophile.

    If indeed there are studies to the contrary the Cardinal should reference them directly rather than dealing in slander against a group of people.

    I truly hope more people recognize that the leadership in the Catholic church is corrupt, and take action to stand against this immoral behavior.



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    Apr 13, 2010 7:42 PM GMT
    TheIStrat saidI really don't believe that people choosing celibacy have any right to lecture anyone on proper sexuality


    which is just one example of the hypocrisy of the catholic church.

    the intelligence(squared) debate on the catholic church has been brought up in a different forum, but let me just post this link and a vid of stephen fry summing up the problems w the catholic church.

    http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2-video/2009/catholic-church

    gentlemen, the eloquent Stephen Fry:

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    Apr 13, 2010 7:53 PM GMT
    Well I have spent a time in my life where one was celibate for many many years. I never develop a want for women or children, or the first man that made a pass at me either.

    But in the past many homosexuals did join the priesthood for diffrent reasons, to fulfill a faith in God, and want to spend a life in service to him. To hid ones sexuality in a catholic country, and instead of bringing shame to ones family they have hidden away, and bought pride to their families by being priests. Many bisexual men have hidden behind women and children for many years, and still they hit a phase in there life, where it's safe to come out; maybe at retirement, or they had been outed.

    So yes homosexuals in the priesthood has added to little boys being molested and there has been a lot of them, but not just little boys little girls have sufferd to, albeit not as much.

    I myself was molested by a gay man from the age of 5. I say he was gay and he is, as he never had girlfriends, but boyfriends, and this being in a country town, I seen him as an adult.

    So sorry to disappoint you all but one is not a self loathing homosexual, as one has self respect and love for ones self. But the gay community is not free of the abuse of children either.
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    Apr 13, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    I've recently described the Catholic religion in my book due out this summer:

    "The way I see it, if Catholicism were food, it would be part of a fattening, high-caloric diet: multiple masses, wafers, rosaries, standing and sitting, standing again, "peace be with you's", St. Francis of a this, Our Lady of a that, vaticans, popes, and a list of dos and don'ts that rivals every stack of law books in every state in the Union. Protestantism would be considered church lite. Come to think about it, I've had some of the worst sins and betrayals done to me by Catholics. I guess it's true what they say: less is more."
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    Apr 13, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
    Pattison saidWell I have spent a time in my life where one was celibate for many many years. I never develop a want for women or children, or the first man that made a pass at me either.

    But in the past many homosexuals did join the priesthood for diffrent reasons, to fulfill a faith in God, and want to spend a life in service to him. To hid ones sexuality in a catholic country, and instead of bringing shame to ones family they have hidden away, and bought pride to their families by being priests. Many bisexual men have hidden behind women and children for many years, and still they hit a phase in there life, where it's safe to come out; maybe at retirement, or they had been outed.

    So yes homosexuals in the priesthood has added to little boys being molested and there has been a lot of them, but not just little boys little girls have sufferd to, albeit not as much.

    I myself was molested by a gay man from the age of 5. I say he was gay and he is, as he never had girlfriends, but boyfriends, and this being in a country town, I seen him as an adult.

    So sorry to disappoint you all but one is not a self loathing homosexual, as one has self respect and love for ones self. But the gay community is not free of the abuse of children either.


    Patticakes if someone molested you when you were 5, he was probably into bestiality and thought you were a feret. More than likely, you molested that poor old guy.
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:08 PM GMT
    spin spin spin

    I thought the pedophiles were priests that were covered up by bishops, archbishops, cardinals and now the pope...

    Why is sexuality such an issue with the church? The fact that priests did it and there were widespread coverups doesn't excuse their own dirty deeds.

    Fuck this shit!
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:13 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI've recently described the Catholic religion in my book due out this summer:

    "The way I see it, if Catholicism were food, it would be part of a fattening, high-caloric diet: multiple masses, wafers, rosaries, standing and sitting, standing again, "peace be with you's", St. Francis of a this, Our Lady of a that, vaticans, popes, and a list of dos and don'ts that rivals every stack of law books in every state in the Union. Protestantism would be considered church lite. Come to think about it, I've had some of the worst sins and betrayals done to me by Catholics. I guess it's true what they say: less is more."




    I cannot express more plainly my abject horror at the idea of your thoughts being committed to paper and disseminated to the general public. Although I agree with the point you have made here (however clumsily expressed), I hope that there will be caveats in the introduction explaining that your concepts about sexual identity and expression are your own and do not reflect anything beyond that. I also hope you include a very detailed bibliography to support any of the "factual" comments you might make regarding gender expression or LGBT culture in general. What few comments by you I have been able to get through without stabbing myself in the eyes have been poorly written, underpinned by questionable logic, and generally marred by an insensitivity that leaves me wondering whether you were schooled in linguistics by Glen Beck. I cannot say I hope you sell many copies.

    Note: If you are directly quoting your manuscript, you had better find a new editor.
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:43 PM GMT
    Ugh chicks fighting is so gross. Only dudes should lock up and make out, errrr fight.
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:45 PM GMT
    Well, to say "burn the down the Vatican" is just plain irresponsible. I mean, first you have to carefully remove, catalogue and safely put away all that beautiful, priceless art. I'LL SAVE YOU CARAVAGGIO, I PROMISE YOU A HAPPY HOME.
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    Gotta save the archives as well, otherwise, we'll never know the extent of the church's damage.
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    Apr 13, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
    I don't know where this thread is going ... completely lost, so ...

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    Apr 13, 2010 10:27 PM GMT
    If a bug landed on my finger, I'd probably smash it in a reactionary move brought on by what feels like instinct. Poor thing.
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    Apr 13, 2010 10:32 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidspin spin spin

    I thought the pedophiles were priests that were covered up by bishops, archbishops, cardinals and now the pope...



    bingo. instead of placing the responsibility on the (then non-)pope for covering up the aberrant behavior of his priests, they do a switcheroo and place responsibility on "gayness." after all, if gayness did not exist, the (then non-)pope wouldn't have had to cover anything up.

    and by the way, i killed jesus.
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    Apr 13, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidUgh chicks fighting is so gross. Only dudes should lock up and make out, errrr fight.


    i beg to differ. i enjoy chick wrestling immensely. hey, if it involves nudity, wrestling, and eventually leads to sex, i'm all about it whatever form it's in. icon_twisted.gif

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