If you can't lose weight and gain muscle at the same time

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    Apr 13, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
    why bother with weight-training?
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    Apr 13, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    you can do both at the same time.
    What you can't do, is to loose weight as fast as possible and gain muscle as fast as possible simultaneously.
    But in all cases, it just take patience, determination and realism.
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    Apr 13, 2010 8:21 PM GMT
    Onthewaytome saidwhy bother with weight-training?


    You know all the answers, but, just like putting forth idiotic notions. After all, you've been here for three years to hear the same things, over, and over, and over.

    You weight train to increase your base metabolic rate, aside from stimulants / T3/T4, there is no other way to increase your calorie burn at rest.

    Every bit of muscle burns calories just sitting there.

    We also lift because of the way it makes us strong, reshapes our bodies, and because it makes us feel good, as well as more attractive by most standards.

    As a fat ass, there' no reason you can't lose weight and change your body composition. I've had folks like Logan, a type 1 diabetic, gain 80 pounds of muscle, AND lower their bodyfat by 2% to 3% while doing it.

    Your thing is that you're just a perpetual self-defeatist, and plead stupid, which I really don't believe you are.
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    Apr 13, 2010 8:26 PM GMT
    Aren't muscle and fat different things? So you can do both.
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    And now on to the really serious issues...

    Patting head and rubbing tummy simultaneously!
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    Apr 13, 2010 9:15 PM GMT
    Put away your negative self talk and get focused! We all have down days where we feel like what we do is not getting us anywhere, but we still keep going...Even on the days you don't feel like going to the gym, GO. Because guess what? You'll feel even worse at the end of the day when you notice you haven't gone to the gym.

    Tomorrow can always be a better day than today...and remember, if done right, every time you finish a workout, you are in a better shape than you were before it.

    Keep going. You can do this. Positive self talk.

    P.S. look for a book called "Fit to Lead: The Proven 8-Week Solution for Shaping Up Your Body, Your Mind, and Your Career" - it is SUCH an amazing book (and my professor wrote it).
  • jock_1

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    Apr 13, 2010 9:56 PM GMT
    YOU CAN DO IT.

    with anything...it takes time

    Everyone on this site started somewhere and got to where they are with hard work and sweat.

    It will be no different for you. you can gain muscle and burn fat. if you start and see results it will become addicting....trust me
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    Apr 14, 2010 10:05 PM GMT
    If you can't achieve absolute best, settle for absolute worst.
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    Apr 16, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
    Just telling you what I've heard/read on RJ.
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    Apr 16, 2010 6:07 PM GMT
    Onthewaytome saidJust telling you what I've heard/read on RJ.


    I think you may be taking the generic advice that applies to everybody and nobody. With the current shape your in, you will put on some muscle and lose weight at the same time. Even if you are doing light weights with cardio your body is going to adjust to the increased activity by losing weight and putting on muscle. You should do both, they both have benefits

    The guideline about you cant gain weight and put on muscle at the same time would apply to someone of a different shape starting with.
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    Apr 16, 2010 6:13 PM GMT
    Onthewaytome saidwhy bother with weight-training?


    How bout so your bones don't become brittle and weak then break because they can't bear a whole lot of stress, causing one to get a fat embolism and die.

    Look, among other things, weight training increases bone density which makes your bones stronger...look beyond the superficial and focus on the real benefit of exercise...it'll make it alot more enjoyable and easier to stick with.

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    Apr 16, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
    I went from 240# to 180# while at the same time I transformed weakling to heavy lifter. It required modifying my diet and tracking fat, carb, and protein consumption rather than relying on calorie counting and lifting HEAVY things. Dedication, self-discipline, and
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    Apr 16, 2010 6:36 PM GMT
    PiercedAndFit saidI went from 240# to 180# while at the same time I transformed weakling to heavy lifter. It required modifying my diet and tracking fat, carb, and protein consumption rather than relying on calorie counting and lifting HEAVY things. Dedication, self-discipline, and

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    Apr 16, 2010 7:29 PM GMT
    Success is by design.

    OTWTM has heard all this repeatedly over the last three years, but, continues to sabotage himself, and lacks any real discipline, and determination.
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    Apr 16, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
    Patience is a virtue. It's also a pain in the ass, but it's still virtue.
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    Apr 21, 2010 4:48 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidPatience is a virtue. It's also a pain in the ass, but it's still virtue.


    Never said it wasn't. Just trying to figure out where to concentrate my efforts.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    Onthewaytome said
    paulflexes saidPatience is a virtue. It's also a pain in the ass, but it's still virtue.


    Never said it wasn't. Just trying to figure out where to concentrate my efforts.



    Just curious... you only reply to comments you think are negative. Did you find helpful thoughts in some of the other comments that people took time to write for you? Do you appreciate their ideas?

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    Apr 21, 2010 5:12 PM GMT
    DjDorchester said
    Onthewaytome said
    paulflexes saidPatience is a virtue. It's also a pain in the ass, but it's still virtue.


    Never said it wasn't. Just trying to figure out where to concentrate my efforts.



    Just curious... you only reply to comments you think are negative. Did you find helpful thoughts in some of the other comments that people took time to write for you? Do you appreciate their ideas?



    Where? Everyone here took this post as a sign of weakness instead of a solicitation for advice.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    Onthewaytome said
    DjDorchester said
    Onthewaytome said
    paulflexes saidPatience is a virtue. It's also a pain in the ass, but it's still virtue.


    Never said it wasn't. Just trying to figure out where to concentrate my efforts.



    Just curious... you only reply to comments you think are negative. Did you find helpful thoughts in some of the other comments that people took time to write for you? Do you appreciate their ideas?



    Where? Everyone here took this post as a sign of weakness instead of a solicitation for advice.


    Don't be a fucking dimwit... read through the posts. SEVERAL guys here gave you some serious thoughts and advice and it really irks me that you would dismiss them like that. CAN YOU READ?????

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    Apr 21, 2010 5:17 PM GMT
    After three years, I've come to the conclusion that he's one of the most depressing, self-defeating, attention needing folks I've met over the years.

    "Poor, poor, me" said the fat ass.

    Get off your ass. Get your body in motion. Be patient. Be disciplined. Be positive. I, and a number of others, have said it, over, and over, and over, to the guy, for three years. He's not happy unless he's unhappy.

    I wouldn't want to be friend with OTWTM even if he wasn't a fat ass. He's fucking depressing, and doesn't listen. I can't STAND folks like that. Same old shit, over and over and over; a plan for failure. Fuck that.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidAfter three years, I've come to the conclusion that he's one of the most depressing, self-defeating, attention needing folks I've met over the years.

    "Poor, poor, me" said the fat ass.

    Get off your ass. Get your body in motion. Be patient. Be disciplined. Be positive. I, and a number of others, have said it, over, and over, and over, to the guy, for three years. He's not happy unless he's unhappy.

    I wouldn't want to be friend with OTWTM even if he wasn't a fat ass. He's fucking depressing, and doesn't listen. I can't STAND folks like that. Same old shit, over and over and over; a plan for failure. Fuck that.


    See? I go to the gym 3-4x a week. Yet I ask where I should concentrate my efforts and this is the kind of response I get. Where is the advice djdorchester was referring to?
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:28 PM GMT


    Well since you're obviously either trying to be a jackass or you really are that dim.... here, I'll repost just a sampling of some of the good ones:

    you can do both at the same time.
    What you can't do, is to loose weight as fast as possible and gain muscle as fast as possible simultaneously.
    But in all cases, it just take patience, determination and realism.
    --------------------
    You weight train to increase your base metabolic rate, aside from stimulants / T3/T4, there is no other way to increase your calorie burn at rest.

    Every bit of muscle burns calories just sitting there.

    We also lift because of the way it makes us strong, reshapes our bodies, and because it makes us feel good, as well as more attractive by most standards.
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    Aren't muscle and fat different things? So you can do both.
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    Put away your negative self talk and get focused! We all have down days where we feel like what we do is not getting us anywhere, but we still keep going...Even on the days you don't feel like going to the gym, GO. Because guess what? You'll feel even worse at the end of the day when you notice you haven't gone to the gym.

    Tomorrow can always be a better day than today...and remember, if done right, every time you finish a workout, you are in a better shape than you were before it.

    Keep going. You can do this. Positive self talk.

    P.S. look for a book called "Fit to Lead: The Proven 8-Week Solution for Shaping Up Your Body, Your Mind, and Your Career" - it is SUCH an amazing book (and my professor wrote it).
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    YOU CAN DO IT.

    with anything...it takes time

    Everyone on this site started somewhere and got to where they are with hard work and sweat.

    It will be no different for you. you can gain muscle and burn fat. if you start and see results it will become addicting....trust me
    ----------------------
    I think you may be taking the generic advice that applies to everybody and nobody. With the current shape your in, you will put on some muscle and lose weight at the same time. Even if you are doing light weights with cardio your body is going to adjust to the increased activity by losing weight and putting on muscle. You should do both, they both have benefits

    The guideline about you cant gain weight and put on muscle at the same time would apply to someone of a different shape starting with.
    -------------------------
    How bout so your bones don't become brittle and weak then break because they can't bear a whole lot of stress, causing one to get a fat embolism and die.

    Look, among other things, weight training increases bone density which makes your bones stronger...look beyond the superficial and focus on the real benefit of exercise...it'll make it alot more enjoyable and easier to stick with.
    ------------------------

    DO I REALLY NEED TO GO ON????

    How thankless can you possibly be?
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:54 PM GMT
    DjDorchester said

    Well since you're obviously either trying to be a jackass or you really are that dim.... here, I'll repost just a sampling of some of the good ones:

    you can do both at the same time.
    What you can't do, is to loose weight as fast as possible and gain muscle as fast as possible simultaneously.
    But in all cases, it just take patience, determination and realism.
    --------------------
    You weight train to increase your base metabolic rate, aside from stimulants / T3/T4, there is no other way to increase your calorie burn at rest.

    Every bit of muscle burns calories just sitting there.

    We also lift because of the way it makes us strong, reshapes our bodies, and because it makes us feel good, as well as more attractive by most standards.
    ---------------------
    Aren't muscle and fat different things? So you can do both.
    ---------------------
    Put away your negative self talk and get focused! We all have down days where we feel like what we do is not getting us anywhere, but we still keep going...Even on the days you don't feel like going to the gym, GO. Because guess what? You'll feel even worse at the end of the day when you notice you haven't gone to the gym.

    Tomorrow can always be a better day than today...and remember, if done right, every time you finish a workout, you are in a better shape than you were before it.

    Keep going. You can do this. Positive self talk.

    P.S. look for a book called "Fit to Lead: The Proven 8-Week Solution for Shaping Up Your Body, Your Mind, and Your Career" - it is SUCH an amazing book (and my professor wrote it).
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    YOU CAN DO IT.

    with anything...it takes time

    Everyone on this site started somewhere and got to where they are with hard work and sweat.

    It will be no different for you. you can gain muscle and burn fat. if you start and see results it will become addicting....trust me
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    I think you may be taking the generic advice that applies to everybody and nobody. With the current shape your in, you will put on some muscle and lose weight at the same time. Even if you are doing light weights with cardio your body is going to adjust to the increased activity by losing weight and putting on muscle. You should do both, they both have benefits

    The guideline about you cant gain weight and put on muscle at the same time would apply to someone of a different shape starting with.
    -------------------------
    How bout so your bones don't become brittle and weak then break because they can't bear a whole lot of stress, causing one to get a fat embolism and die.

    Look, among other things, weight training increases bone density which makes your bones stronger...look beyond the superficial and focus on the real benefit of exercise...it'll make it alot more enjoyable and easier to stick with.
    ------------------------

    DO I REALLY NEED TO GO ON????

    How thankless can you possibly be?


    You still haven't answered the question.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:56 PM GMT
    Grow up.
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    Apr 21, 2010 6:03 PM GMT
    DjDorchester saidGrow up.


    Here's a question: If I looked as good as half of the guys here, would you follow me around on these forums like you do, chastising me for bad manners? Chucky is the biggest asshole bitch on here. Where is your outrage over him?