Huckabee Likens Gay Marriage to Incest, Polygamy

  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Apr 13, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04/13/us/politics/AP-US-Huckabee-Gay-Marriage.html?scp=2&sq=huckabee&st=cse

    Any coincidence that he's a Republican and born-again Christian?
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    Apr 13, 2010 10:36 PM GMT
    He must know something we don't...he is from the south.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Apr 14, 2010 2:13 AM GMT
    Mike Huckabee is your typical fundamentalist, Baptist, "born again," arrogant Christian. I swear... there is herds of them running around South Carolina. I don't honestly think he gets his ideas from reality.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:19 AM GMT
    honey, i KNOW... us gay carolinians have been putting up with insanity from politicians for a very long time (think: strom thurmond and jesse helms)
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Apr 14, 2010 3:23 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidhoney, i KNOW... us gay carolinians have been putting up with insanity from politicians for a very long time (think: strom thurmond and jesse helms)


    I know... I am counting down the days until I can leave!!! I may have to stay a little longer... until I can find a full-time job
  • mascguymia

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    Apr 14, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
    Horrendous and very dangerous speech from this guy.

    I recommend boycotting his speeches, employer (foxnews) and calling the advertisers of his show to boycott their products.

    Call, write and do anything you can to stop this ignorance and hate!!
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:02 AM GMT
    What else is new? Religious fundamentalism and stupid simplistic sound bites go together like peanut butter and jelly.

    Hopefully 99.9% of the population has the good sense to dismiss the lunacy of someone like Mike Huckabee.
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:08 AM GMT
    I liken Huckabee to a horse's ass .. and when he speaks it is like brown apples falling to the ground ..
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    Apr 14, 2010 11:40 AM GMT
    certainly no worse than much of what one has read here concerning gay republicans!!
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    Apr 14, 2010 11:57 AM GMT
    Huckabee actually makes an intellectual argument, if you listened to the whole thing. That argument being that if you allow one thing, then you allow another, and another, and another, and that lowers all sense of standards and allows moral decay. Kind of like if you allow one person to be late to work, pretty soon, the whole bunch is late. In particular, he spoke of plural marriage (my view is that if you can afford it, then, who cares...certainly shouldn't be a crime...and isn't in most parts of The World.) He also said, not very convincingly, that we shouldn't experiment with various child rearing methods, and situations. That's a bit of a stretch in my book.

    All that being said, we all know that incest, and pedophilia, aren't one and the same with a couple of gay guys.

    As with ANY folks with false belief systems (cults, religions, superstitions), he is MOSTLY ignorant, and needs to be pointed at truth. I don't think he meant it in hate, and spoke from ignorance, although he clearly doesn't represent what clergy should be, but, with any false belief system you'll get the followers of the doctrine, no matter how absurd the doctrine. Unfortunately, undoing years of indoctrination into false belief systems is nearly impossible.
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    Apr 14, 2010 12:03 PM GMT
    From the AP article:

    ''I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle,'' [Huckabee] wrote, in response to a question about gays in the military.

    He also advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, saying it was necessary to confine ''carriers of this plague.''

    As governor, Huckabee supported an Arkansas policy that prevented same-sex couples from serving as foster parents. On gay marriage, he said in an interview, ''Marriage has historically never meant anything other than a man and a woman. It has never meant two men, two women, a man and his pet, or a man and a whole herd of pets.''
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    Apr 14, 2010 12:12 PM GMT
    Huckabee is a fundamentalist, and, like any fundamentalist in ANY false belief system, has a narrow view that is a clear and present danger to reasonable folks.

    He's been back tracking the last few days, but, it's apparent how he really feels.
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    Apr 14, 2010 12:13 PM GMT
    Off topic, but, funny as heck, in case you didn't catch it on CNN.

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    Apr 14, 2010 12:25 PM GMT
    Best quote ever

    ''I don't have to prove that marriage is a man and a woman in a relationship for life,'' he said. ''They have to prove that two men can have an equally definable relationship called marriage, and somehow that that can mean the same thing.''

    because the current divore rate in this country really proves that A Marriage is a succesful institution of that it is a relationship for life! hahahahaha. try outlawing divorce mister huckabee, oh wait he already supports covenant marriage which makes divorce harder to attain so there are already "real" mariages and fake marriages hahahahahahahahaha
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    Apr 14, 2010 1:48 PM GMT
    A good punishment would be make him live in Canada for a year. icon_lol.gif

    For some strange reason that slippery slopey thing into depravity didn't happen. Darn, the sanity o' them non-fundamentalists, where do they get off being so, so civilized.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
    Why do these idiots insist on applying religious standards on civil laws??
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:14 PM GMT
    meninlove said A good punishment would be make him live in Canada for a year. icon_lol.gif

    For some strange reason that slippery slopey thing into depravity didn't happen. Darn, the sanity o' them non-fundamentalists, where do they get off being so, so civilized.


    ah yes, The Slippery Slope.

    i have a very good friend who is very conservative, (though moderate in his approach), who is also a born-again christian. he believes STRONGLY that humans are, at their very core, evil. i have talked with him about this at length, and though he is otherwise reasonable about most things, on this point he is unwavering.

    when you believe that, then it is easy to see what they mean by The Slippery Slope. it is a straight shot into our depraved and evil nature, and once there, there is no turning back. (never mind that their omnipotent god is somehow powerless to stop it...but that is another matter)

    beware The Slippery Slope. abandon hope all ye who enter here.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    I liken Huckabee to barefoot, uneducated, cousin-humping, confederate-flag-waving trailer trash.
    And why not? After all... it's as reasonable as his presumptions about us.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:18 PM GMT
    Good one Sahem!
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    Apr 14, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidWhy do these idiots insist on applying religious standards on civil laws??


    Understand, some countries are parochial. You see them around us, stoning folks, and so on.

    It's always important to take a stand against false belief systems; especially against those who would impose those false belief systems upon others. They are EXTREMELY dangerous.
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    Apr 14, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidI liken Huckabee to barefoot, uneducated, cousin-humping, confederate-flag-waving trailer trash.
    And why not? After all... it's as reasonable as his presumptions about us.

    Hey, I love to go barefooted.
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    Apr 14, 2010 11:32 PM GMT
    This isn't a new argument. Scalia raised the same questions in his Lawrence v. Texas dissent. Legally, it is a valid contention to question if laws criminalizing gay sexual behavior are invalid (after that decision), then why are incest and beastiality laws struck down as invalid? All of these laws, in one way or another, put limitations on private, sexual acts.


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    Apr 14, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
    Now I've got an excuse to make fun of his messed up eye and not feel bad about it.
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    Apr 15, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
    roarketony saidThis isn't a new argument. Scalia raised the same questions in his Lawrence v. Texas dissent. Legally, it is a valid contention to question if laws criminalizing gay sexual behavior are invalid (after that decision), then why are incest and beastiality laws struck down as invalid? All of these laws, in one way or another, put limitations on private, sexual acts.




    maybe because there is a rational basis to outlaw bestiality and incest?? you know like deformed children and animal abuse? just a thought
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    Apr 15, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidHuckabee actually makes an intellectual argument, if you listened to the whole thing. That argument being that if you allow one thing, then you allow another, and another, and another, and that lowers all sense of standards and allows moral decay.


    And in fact that type of argument is what others have mentioned, the logical fallacy of the slippery slope. So, it merits some assessment.

    I think if we examine the issue pragmatically the fallacious reasoning does not appear to work very well as a predictor of future public policy. We're imagining a hypothetical future society in which moral decay on the issue of homosexuality has lead to a cultural view that accepts incest and polygamy. While these things may seem to be related in a Christian mindset due to all ostensibly being forbidden by the same religious traditions, we don't have to look very far to other societies to see that they aren't related all the time.

    Incest for one is unlikely to ever become very popular because it's virtually a universal taboo across cultures. The reasons for this are not vaguely religious, but because incest is problematic for a number of reasons as part of any society. We don't need to reject incest on a basis of religious traditions; we already have ample reason otherwise. Homosexuality differs because the reason for opposing it is at least predominately religious in nature (arguably given our modern technologies the practical concerns are no longer relevant).

    It's unclear whether being more permissive about homosexuality will result in permissiveness about polygamy. This is a possible outcome, but I do not believe the evidence very strongly supports the prediction. That said, condemnations of homosexuality and polygamy are more similar in nature (more to do with cultural norms than practical issues) than is the case with incest.

    If we look at historical evidence, polygamy would be more likely to adopted by our culture if certain social pressures such as a population gender disparity appeared. Anthropologically speaking, this is usually the reason why other cultures adopt polygamous models of marriage. There aren't really examples of societies adopting polygamy for other reasons (e.g., the liberalization of moral ideals) in a pervasive and long-term way. In that way the causes behind polygamous behavior are more or less fundamentally different than the causes behind homosexual behavior. It would be more likely that a situation promoting polygamous traditions would also promote homosexual behavior (by more straight people than average if that's relevant) than vice versa.

    Periods of 'excess' by the aristocratic class resulting in such trends, by contrast, are often more short lived and not widespread as social inequality dictates who is able to participate. So, there does not appear to be much reason to think a shift in attitudes about homosexuality would result in a shift in attitudes about polygamous relationships, at least not to as significant a degree.

    Huckabee's real argument in essence is in defense of fundamentalist Christian morality, which having professed infallibility, may be problematic if society becomes inconsistent with a particular tenant. We can see that in many ways society is already inconsistent with Christian teachings, though, and so far hasn't caused a moral collapse. Legalizing divorce has so far not resulted in murder becoming legal, for example. Bringing up comparisons of things society at large currently considers distasteful to homosexuality seems to be more aimed at creating an emotional response than actual concern about a causal relationship.

    In any case, Huckabee's concern that Christian values themselves may be weakened by changing cultural attitudes may be correct. It's just not very plausible that the rejection of those values would result in a completely amoral society, even societies considered to be 'amoral' by the Christian standard still abide by their own set of values.