iPhone's Grindr's new ToS (Towleroad)

  • NickoftheNort...

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    Apr 14, 2010 1:23 PM GMT
    Towleroad has an overview of Grindr's new terms of service that are now in accordance with Apple's / Steve Jobs' wishes for Apple's App Store to not become a "porn store."

    I haven't gotten into iPhone yet, but I find this kind of dictation from above worrisome for any gadget I may want to buy.
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    Apr 14, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
    Ok, so what exactly is the problem?
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    Well... now that I look at it closer, it specifies those rules are for your "Profile photo." I assume that means you can send anything you want to specific people... but you gotta be G-rated in your public photo. Makes more sense that way... although I don't think a "hip bone" is X or even R rated. Just open the newspaper to a department store ad for an underwear sale and you'll see all sorts of Grindr violations.

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    Apr 14, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
    Caslon14000 saidOk, so what exactly is the problem?

    First, that Apple is limiting third-party applications from displaying photos of legal acts that cannot reasonably be characterized as obscene. Second, that Apple is limiting third-party applications from displaying photos of legal acts that can be characterized as obscene.

    This would be akin to Microsoft saying that Windows-using computers are not to be able to access pornography and that software manufacturers making products useable with Windows must restrict any use Microsoft deems indecent.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:16 PM GMT
    This is yet another step that Apple is taking, proving that they are tyrannical in their business practices. With each passing day I am disliking Apple more and more.

    I wonder what comes next...Puritan hats & funky buckle shoes...or are we going to be goose stepping soon.

    What I choose to do with my phone, is completely up to me...if showing a picture of me in a bathing suit is considered too offensive, then I ask you what year is it?

    Where does it stop?
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
    Glad I have an Android phone, no such restrictions! icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    Some of these do sound a bit extreme, such as:

    * No nudity (particularly the genitals) covered up by a towel, hat or other means.

    (Other means like clothes? We're all naked under our clothes, for gawd's sake!)

    * No outline of genitals through clothing will be allowed.

    (I guess Speedos are prohibited? Except on a public beach? At least camel toe will be banned.)

    * Expressions of a desire to engage in unprotected sex is [sic] not allowed.

    (But expressions of a desire to engage in protected sex are OK, right?)

    Not sure how much of these poorly written restrictions is due to Apple and Jobs personally. I'm reminded that Apple was one of the few corporations that issued a statement, by Jobs himself, opposing Prop 8 in California 2 years ago.

    So I don't think Jobs is anti-gay, or particularly Puritanical. But I honestly don't know the motive here, and if there are legal considerations unknown to us.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:34 PM GMT
    How is this different to RealJock's terms of service? Which are in keeping with keeping this a *fitness* oriented site? [and with which I agree].
  • DIAKADI_SF

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    Apr 14, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    The restrictions are only on your profile pic and profile wording. Once you start chatting anything is game.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth said
    Caslon14000 saidOk, so what exactly is the problem?

    First, that Apple is limiting third-party applications from displaying photos of legal acts that cannot reasonably be characterized as obscene. Second, that Apple is limiting third-party applications from displaying photos of legal acts that can be characterized as obscene.

    This would be akin to Microsoft saying that Windows-using computers are not to be able to access pornography and that software manufacturers making products useable with Windows must restrict any use Microsoft deems indecent.

    Oh well when competition comes along, they will change.
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:42 PM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidTowleroad has an overview of Grindr's new terms of service that are now in accordance with Apple's / Steve Jobs' wishes for Apple's App Store to not become a "porn store."

    I haven't gotten into iPhone yet, but I find this kind of dictation from above worrisome for any gadget I may want to buy.


    Which of the changes from the previous TOS bother you?
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidHow is this different to RealJock's terms of service? Which are in keeping with keeping this a *fitness* oriented site? [and with which I agree].

    RealJock is not a GPS-based hook-up service, so I can understand that its ToS is more restrictive. Also, RealJock's ToS were not prefaced by a CEO of the Internet saying he didn't want his Internet to be a "porn store."
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    Apr 14, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidSome of these do sound a bit extreme, such as:

    * No nudity (particularly the genitals) covered up by a towel, hat or other means.

    (Other means like clothes? We're all naked under our clothes, for gawd's sake!)

    * No outline of genitals through clothing will be allowed.

    (I guess Speedos are prohibited? Except on a public beach? At least camel toe will be banned.)

    * Expressions of a desire to engage in unprotected sex is [sic] not allowed.

    (But expressions of a desire to engage in protected sex are OK, right?)

    Not sure how much of these poorly written restrictions are due to Apple and Jobs personally. I'm reminded that Apple was one of the few corporations that issued a statement, by Jobs himself, opposing Prop 8 in California 2 years ago.

    So I don't think Jobs is anti-gay, or particularly Puritanical. But I honestly don't know the motive here, and if there are legal considerations unknown to us.



    Well, I think the motive with Apple's recent tightening of restrictions (or in some cases removal) for "adult" apps is they don't want to become like 'Kabletown' and become the reliant on porn income for a chunk of their revenue.
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    Apr 14, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    Which of the changes from the previous TOS bother you?

    I'm relying on Towle's excerpts fas a source on the changes. I could not find the older versions of Gridnr's guidelines on its own site or by simple Googling. The Way Back Machine just came up with errors in response to the guidelines' URL.

    My frustration is primarily with the (apparent) causal line of change with Jobs' declaration then leading to Grindr's new guidelines. It reaffirms my understanding of him as a dictatorial artist with an extensive and unreasonable need for control.
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    Apr 14, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    Doesn't seem so bad.... I mean, how many pics of your dick do you really need to show?
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    Apr 14, 2010 3:40 PM GMT
    I hate Grindr... long before the new TOS came into being, I hated it.
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    Apr 14, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    Actually I have Grindr on my iPhone, downloaded while in a gay nightclub when some friends showed me their own copy. I'm monogamous, and don't use it for its intended purpose for myself, but perhaps for something much worse.

    I look to see who I know is trolling on it. I know, just terrible, and I haven't done it in a few months. But kinda amusing to see who's looking for action, that provides some surprises regarding guys I thought had exclusive relationships. A big eye-opener at times.
  • DrewbieDoo

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    Apr 14, 2010 3:51 PM GMT
    yalemarine saidGlad I have an Android phone, no such restrictions! icon_cool.gif


    does the droid have grindr... i thought that was an apple only app
  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 14, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    I'd been using it but got my profile pulled I think because I typed: "Kissing in public is hot."

    Every iPhone comes with a browser which can be used to enjoy all kinds of things on da Interwebz.
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    Apr 14, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidActually I have Grindr on my iPhone, downloaded while in a gay nightclub when some friends showed me their own copy. I'm monogamous, and don't use it for its intended purpose for myself, but perhaps for something much worse.

    I look to see who I know is trolling on it. I know, just terrible, and I haven't done it in a few months. But kinda amusing to see who's looking for action, that provides some surprises regarding guys I thought had exclusive relationships. A big eye-opener at times.

    Indeed... amusing stuff. icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
    DrewbieDoo said
    yalemarine saidGlad I have an Android phone, no such restrictions! icon_cool.gif


    does the droid have grindr... i thought that was an apple only app


    The droid has encouter which is grindr like with countless number of cock shots.
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    Even though the ToS may be poorly worded I don't see what the big problem is. Let's remember that not every gay guy has an iPhone, so if you choose to use that app then you're limiting yourself to a select group of guys. Besides, if you absolutely must show naked pics of yourself to strangers there are plenty of internet sites which can accomodate your desire to be as much of a hoe as you want.
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    Ahhh they're just covering all their bases/kissing steve's ass....

    Like they are really going to pay someone to go through all the pics and make sure no ones cock outlines are showing....... or can do anything other than delete a profile, in which case just make another
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:24 PM GMT
    While I'm all for freedom in the use of personal technology...I think there are more important things over which to fret.
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    Apr 14, 2010 4:30 PM GMT
    you are right, apple only wants victorian ladies to use grindr as i've read on some blog recently.

    as an aside, i think grindr is great (for those that think it's strictly for hook ups, you are wrong). i met a couple of friends on it. and i started dating someone recently i met on it. also, when you want to see who is gay at your school, at your gym, in your workplace, it's a helpful thing. conversely, when you want others to know that you are gay without screaming about it, it's also a way.