steroids make you hairy AND bald?

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    Apr 15, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    so i was watching BIGGER, FASTER, STRONGER, a doc on steriods [its ok, nothing special] and it stated some facts on steriods.

    they make you hairy, as in your body

    they make you bald, as in your head

    too much testosterone makes you sterile

    now, i'm wondering, how can it make your body hairy but your head bald?

    and more test in your system makes you sterile? funny, when i did sustenon/riods, i was horny as hell. maybe it was just me but seems ironical that it makes you horny AND gives you infertility.

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    Apr 15, 2010 3:28 PM GMT
    Estrogen makes women sterile, so I don't believe I need to elaborate on this.

    Baldness is caused by the rapid breakdown of testosterone into high amounts of estrogen and DHT (dihydrotestosterone). DHT is the hormone that is responsible for baldness in men as they age, so taking steroids without an inhibitor to slow the breakdown of testosterone will cause you to go bald prematurely if you're genetically predisposed for baldness.

    As for getting hairier everywhere else and priapism.... remember when you were 13-14 and you saw your first pit-hair and discovered this wonderful little game called "spank the weenie"? Well, that's from testosterone, too. You only seem to go sterile if you're exposed to large amounts of testosterone over a long period of time (months or even years) and, even then, you're not completely sterile, nor is it permanent: drop your testosterone a little, and your swimmers come back to the pool.

    It's just how it works.
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    Apr 15, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    flex89 saidEstrogen makes women sterile, so I don't believe I need to elaborate on this.

    Baldness is caused by the rapid breakdown of testosterone into high amounts of estrogen and DHT (dihydrotestosterone). DHT is the hormone that is responsible for baldness in men as they age, so taking steroids without an inhibitor to slow the breakdown of testosterone will cause you to go bald prematurely if you're genetically predisposed for baldness.

    As for getting hairier everywhere else and priapism.... remember when you were 13-14 and you saw your first pit-hair and discovered this wonderful little game called "spank the weenie"? Well, that's from testosterone, too.

    It's just how it works.


    yup what he said
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    Apr 15, 2010 3:40 PM GMT
    Birth control in men, from exogenous testosterone administration is very effective, but, nonetheless taboo. We leave birth control to women, in this country, and we have a thing about our men being too healthy. Any temporary decrease in sperm production, is, of course, just that: temporary. Study after study has documented this. You bounce right back, in about three weeks for androgrens, even if you have used them for decades. With hormones like thyroid, the bounce back to whatever would be normal happens in DAYS, even after DECADES of use. With insulin, your body bounces back just as soon as any exogenous insulin dissipates (HOURS). Your body is a remarkable machine. There have been a bunch of studies on T3/T4 being over-prescribed for decades where the folks come back into baseline, within just a few days.

    The notion of "cycling" is stupid. You don't "cycle" other meds.

    Testosterone (it's sounds like you need to study it, on your own further) is a powerful anti-depressant (roid rage is a myth invented by defense lawyers), and, along with T3 can be a powerful regimen for avoiding depression as opposed to more dangerous anti-depressants, which are hepatoxic, often noneffective and unpredictable. Testosterone protects your heart, too, along with preserving your lean muscle mass, libido, elevating mood, preventing diseases of aging, keeping you leaner, and gives a general sense of well-being. That's why its use has exploded in anti-aging, and it remains a treatment of choice with markedly improved outcomes for HIV+, cancer, and other disease with compromised immune systems.

    Although there's a lot of misinformation out there, if you dig in earnest and actually read the studies, and information presented to Congress, you'll find out it's very good for middle-aged, and older guys.

    The U.S. Endocrinologists Society, have asked that testosterone be removed from the scheduled list (it's a natural substance in our bodies), but, to date, have not seen that happen.

    It's important that you understand steroids are those hormones soluble in lipids and all steroids are NOT anabolic. You'll want to research that further so that you're more fully informed and don't get caught up in misinformation. Ignorant folks refer to steroids in a general way, but, different steroids have opposing actions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steriod
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    Apr 15, 2010 4:05 PM GMT
    I find it weird that as bald as I am there are about 20 active follicles on top of my head. Why didn't they go dormant??? icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 15, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    Uh-huh, two different breakdown products

    Testosterone binds to the promoter sequences and regulatory proteins increasing the expression of your masculation genes in certain tissues where such genes are already active and not permanently methylated and condensed. So new follicles develop/accelerate on your epidermis. Also increased follicle metabolics make you're skin/oily = acne

    But you're head.... contain a very thin layer of epidermal and little sub epidermal tissue so no extra follicles develop so testosterone and analogues have a limited effect

    DHT a breakdown product binds to the hair follicle constricting it and making the hair thinner until the nutrient supply to the hair root is restricted and it dies/ hair falls out.

    propecia is an enzymatic inhibitor of the enzyme that converts Test--> DHT if your worried about it
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    Apr 15, 2010 4:37 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidIt should be said that there is a big difference between anti-aging doses (TRT) and bodybuilding doses. The benefits of the former do not all apply to the latter. The harmful effects of the latter do not apply to the former.

    Some people do not bounce back from steroid use (bodybuilding doses).


    I'm afraid you're quite wrong. For testosterone, thyroid, and insulin, even with very high dose levels, recovery happens right away. You'll need to study up on this further so that you're better informed.

    There are well documented cases where folks have used stuff for decades, and have returned to "normal" very quickly.

    In cases where someone was low to begin with, they'll return to that previous low.

    You'll also want to study up on mortality studies between the lay public and pro / competitive bodybuilders. A good place to start is Real Sports #99, and a 1999 UNT study that studied just that topic. You'll find out that the bodybuilders have a higher standard of health, earning, intellilect, general overall health and mood, and...live longer / have a lower mortality. That's the facts. That's why AAS remain a treatment of choice for the sickest of the sick. "Do no harm." The Army has also studied this extensively. No single agency, in the scientific body, has EVER recommended their control.
  • Sparkycat

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    Apr 15, 2010 6:38 PM GMT
    I'm on testosterone replacement therapy already. What is T3//T4? Is this referring to testosterone or something to do with the thyroid?


    chuckystud saidBirth control in men, from exogenous testosterone administration is very effective, but, nonetheless taboo. We leave birth control to women, in this country, and we have a thing about our men being too healthy. Any temporary decrease in sperm production, is, of course, just that: temporary. Study after study has documented this. You bounce right back, in about three weeks for androgrens, even if you have used them for decades. With hormones like thyroid, the bounce back to whatever would be normal happens in DAYS, even after DECADES of use. With insulin, your body bounces back just as soon as any exogenous insulin dissipates (HOURS). Your body is a remarkable machine. There have been a bunch of studies on T3/T4 being over-prescribed for decades where the folks come back into baseline, within just a few days.

    The notion of "cycling" is stupid. You don't "cycle" other meds.

    Testosterone (it's sounds like you need to study it, on your own further) is a powerful anti-depressant (roid rage is a myth invented by defense lawyers), and, along with T3 can be a powerful regimen for avoiding depression as opposed to more dangerous anti-depressants, which are hepatoxic, often noneffective and unpredictable. Testosterone protects your heart, too, along with preserving your lean muscle mass, libido, elevating mood, preventing diseases of aging, keeping you leaner, and gives a general sense of well-being. That's why its use has exploded in anti-aging, and it remains a treatment of choice with markedly improved outcomes for HIV+, cancer, and other disease with compromised immune systems.

    Although there's a lot of misinformation out there, if you dig in earnest and actually read the studies, and information presented to Congress, you'll find out it's very good for middle-aged, and older guys.

    The U.S. Endocrinologists Society, have asked that testosterone be removed from the scheduled list (it's a natural substance in our bodies), but, to date, have not seen that happen.

    It's important that you understand steroids are those hormones soluble in lipids and all steroids are NOT anabolic. You'll want to research that further so that you're more fully informed and don't get caught up in misinformation. Ignorant folks refer to steroids in a general way, but, different steroids have opposing actions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steriod
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    Apr 15, 2010 8:24 PM GMT
    viveutvivas said
    chuckystud said
    I'm afraid you're quite wrong. For testosterone, thyroid, and insulin, even with very high dose levels, recovery happens right away. You'll need to study up on this further so that you're better informed.


    Five words: Anabolic steroid induced secondary hypogonadism.

    If what you say were correct, the bodybuilding sites wouldn't be chock and block full of threads called "Help, my PCT didn't work!"

    If what you say were correct, there wouldn't be so many ex-bodybuilders needing permanent TRT later on.

    If what you say were correct, there wouldn't be doctors who specialize in, among other things, trying to restart bodybuilders who were shut down long-term from steroid use.


    You also have to understand a great deal of former bodybuilders also go from having hormone levels much higher than a guy in their mid-twenties to suddenly having hormone levels that are about-right for their age. After age 28, your testosterone drops significantly regardless of whether or not you were previously using steroids.

    Also understand most of the guys posting on steroid forums are total idiots. This can be likened to some posts on this site where guys go on and on about how much muscle they gained using creatine, never mind it's just water-bloat.

    Many doctors offer hormone replacement not because there are so many bodybuilders with shut-down gonads (there aren't very many bodybuilders out there to begin with) but for people who actually need the extra hormone either because they don't produce enough, or the doctor has determined they would benefit from the extra boost. The only guys I've ever met to be on testosterone therapy (chuck aside) were guys in their mid-30's or older who've never worked out a day in their life.
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    Apr 16, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    viveutvivas saidI am not against TRT. I know it has lots of well documented benefits for guys who need it.

    I also don't have any moral problem with steroid use. However, pretending that steroid use is risk-free is either ignorant or dishonest. ASIH is a well-known risk, and there are others.


    Actually, it's a desired effect for birth control, and, to be expected. Note that it's also transitory. We see lots of guys who have taken large doses of AAS for years, and go on to father children after being off for just a few weeks. Any good doctor (all of my male doctors take test themselves) will know this already. This is well documented, and expected. Your dick gets bigger, and your balls get smaller (they aren't being used) with exogenous test. Like pot, or sex, misinformation campaigns, folks use scare tactics, that are completely out of touch with reality.

    Comparatively speaking, you are at a MUCH HIGHER risk using statin drugs, acetaminophen, or being over-weight, that taking a bucket of juice. That's also been studied extensively, and it's well known that competitive and pro bodybuilders have lower mortality than other folks.

    It's important to be honest. Nothing we do is without risk. (E.g. carpal tunnel, and eye strain from typing this message.) However, being honest about that risk is what's important. You are at MUCH higher risk being obese, or smoking, than being juiced to the gills.

    I've been lifting for 34 years, and I weigh between 205 and 215 on any given day. As of my full cardio workup in October, I'm considered at ZERO risk of a heart attack or stroke. My heart is stronger, can pump faster, and harder, with greater volume, than most folks. Think Lance Armstrong in a smaller package (not really). Lance's heart delivers THREE times normal volume on each stroke and one factor that helps him win races. My PSA is a 0.4 and my cholesterol runs between 130 and 160. For many years, my cholesterol rarely went over 130. I don't take any meds other than ibuprofen and some Benadryl.

    The benefits of testosterone in the lives of middle aged and elderly men are numerous, and much safer than bp meds, statins, anti-depressants, and so on. I've spoken, at length, with pros in medicine, and their biggest fear isn't doing the patient harm, but of the DEA meddling in their practice of medicine.

    Several times, I've heard some amazing stories from doctors with regard to test. Just about 3 weeks ago I was in the local E.R. taking care of Logan, and the firemen there were huge. LOL. (Just the sort of person I would want dragging me out of harm's way.)

    There's always cause and effect in your body. You eat too much; you get fat. You eat too little; you get skinny. If you have the gene for baldness and you get some DHT, you get bald faster. There are always trade offs. The number one thing we need to maintain in our discussion is perspective. Is smoking really, really, bad? Fuck yes. Is being a fat ass about the worst thing you can do for you long term health? Yes, it really is. Will taking a bit of juice mess you up? Science doesn't bear that out.

    When I'm in contest shape, I can hold my heart rate at 190 for 20 minutes. My max heart rate for 49 years old is 171. After my sonogram, the cardiologist said "no need for a stress test, Chuck." I routinely hold my heart rate at 140 to 150 for extend periods of time. (Logan has had some requirements of my time, so I haven't been doing as much as I used to, but, I still do it.)
  • Sparkycat

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    Apr 16, 2010 6:21 AM GMT
    What is your weekly testosterone dose? Do you inject or use the gel?



    chuckystud said
    viveutvivas saidI am not against TRT. I know it has lots of well documented benefits for guys who need it.

    I also don't have any moral problem with steroid use. However, pretending that steroid use is risk-free is either ignorant or dishonest. ASIH is a well-known risk, and there are others.


    Actually, it's a desired effect for birth control, and, to be expected. Note that it's also transitory. We see lots of guys who have taken large doses of AAS for years, and go on to father children after being off for just a few weeks. Any good doctor (all of my male doctors take test themselves) will know this already. This is well documented, and expected. Your dick gets bigger, and your balls get smaller (they aren't being used) with exogenous test. Like pot, or sex, misinformation campaigns, folks use scare tactics, that are completely out of touch with reality.

    Comparatively speaking, you are at a MUCH HIGHER risk using statin drugs, acetaminophen, or being over-weight, that taking a bucket of juice. That's also been studied extensively, and it's well known that competitive and pro bodybuilders have lower mortality than other folks.

    It's important to be honest. Nothing we do is without risk. (E.g. carpal tunnel, and eye strain from typing this message.) However, being honest about that risk is what's important. You are at MUCH higher risk being obese, or smoking, than being juiced to the gills.

    I've been lifting for 34 years, and I weigh between 205 and 215 on any given day. As of my full cardio workup in October, I'm considered at ZERO risk of a heart attack or stroke. My heart is stronger, can pump faster, and harder, with greater volume, than most folks. Think Lance Armstrong in a smaller package (not really). Lance's heart delivers THREE times normal volume on each stroke and one factor that helps him win races. My PSA is a 0.4 and my cholesterol runs between 130 and 160. For many years, my cholesterol rarely went over 130. I don't take any meds other than ibuprofen and some Benadryl.

    The benefits of testosterone in the lives of middle aged and elderly men are numerous, and much safer than bp meds, statins, anti-depressants, and so on. I've spoken, at length, with pros in medicine, and their biggest fear isn't doing the patient harm, but of the DEA meddling in their practice of medicine.

    Several times, I've heard some amazing stories from doctors with regard to test. Just about 3 weeks ago I was in the local E.R. taking care of Logan, and the firemen there were huge. LOL. (Just the sort of person I would want dragging me out of harm's way.)

    There's always cause and effect in your body. You eat too much; you get fat. You eat too little; you get skinny. If you have the gene for baldness and you get some DHT, you get bald faster. There are always trade offs. The number one thing we need to maintain in our discussion is perspective. Is smoking really, really, bad? Fuck yes. Is being a fat ass about the worst thing you can do for you long term health? Yes, it really is. Will taking a bit of juice mess you up? Science doesn't bear that out.

    When I'm in contest shape, I can hold my heart rate at 190 for 20 minutes. My max heart rate for 49 years old is 171. After my sonogram, the cardiologist said "no need for a stress test, Chuck." I routinely hold my heart rate at 140 to 150 for extend periods of time. (Logan has had some requirements of my time, so I haven't been doing as much as I used to, but, I still do it.)
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    Apr 16, 2010 9:29 PM GMT
    You'll need to talk to a M.D. for what's best for you.
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    Apr 18, 2010 12:53 PM GMT
    i am fine on test but my first PCT...HGC, CHLOMID, NOLVA....had my emotions all over the place.......weepy...emotional.....never saw it commingicon_lol.gif
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    Apr 18, 2010 1:21 PM GMT
    You’ve already received a lot of answers to your question but here is one more. Yes, steroids would probably make your body hairier and your head bald and can make one sterile. DHT which is a powerful form of testosterone will also increase ones libido, deepen the voice and other characteristics associated with being male. Medically supervised testosterone replacement to bring levels to normal probably would not have too many adverse side effects. However, taking unsupervised steroids which raises ones levels far beyond the normal range is not safe on many levels. A percentage of testosterone is converted into the more powerful form called DHT. This “turns on” body hair production and if one has hair follicles genetically sensitive to DHT it will cause them to slowly minimize and die. It can also make one sterile however I believe once it is stopped things go back to normal in that department depending on the length of time used and level used. It will make you horny but that has nothing to do with fertility.
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    Apr 18, 2010 1:43 PM GMT
    thanks for all the info guys.

    odd how both are possible and seem to contradict each other
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    Apr 18, 2010 11:25 PM GMT
    lifeisgreat saidYou’ve already received a lot of answers to your question but here is one more. Yes, steroids would probably make your body hairier and your head bald and can make one sterile. DHT which is a powerful form of testosterone will also increase ones libido, deepen the voice and other characteristics associated with being male. Medically supervised testosterone replacement to bring levels to normal probably would not have too many adverse side effects. However, taking unsupervised steroids which raises ones levels far beyond the normal range is not safe on many levels. A percentage of testosterone is converted into the more powerful form called DHT. This “turns on” body hair production and if one has hair follicles genetically sensitive to DHT it will cause them to slowly minimize and die. It can also make one sterile however I believe once it is stopped things go back to normal in that department depending on the length of time used and level used. It will make you horny but that has nothing to do with fertility.


    All testosterone breaks down into DHT, and estrogen. Folks study up before you go running off at the mouth.

    Testosterone, while an excellent form of birth control, is taboo, unlike estrogen, for women, which is not. Just like female birth control that sterility goes away once treatment ends, even if that treatment lasted for decades. It's been well studied.

    ALL testosterone is masculinizing.

    If you have the gene for male-pattern baldness (about 1/3 do), you will lose hair in the presence of DHT, no matter what. Short of chemical or physical castration (the removal of ALL androgen) you will lose hair.

    DHT derivatives, such a masteron, have some desirable effects, such a edema control (blood pressure regulation) and can be used with a higher margin of softer than some other drugs.

    Testosterone base, is NOT hepatoxic, even at levels as high a 5 GRAMS a week. C17 orals, can be hepatoxic, but, are routinely a treatment of choice in HIV+ patients (that is, they're less toxic than pills you get over the counter, like Tylenol.) While you can get liver lesions from C17 orals (not just AAS orals, but other C17 orals, as well) those lesions quickly go away upon cessation of treatment.

    Do your research. It's all been studied, and..., especially so with HIV patients. It remains a treatment of choice with HIV, with greatly improved long term outcomes at over 1000mg a week.

    In 80 years of use, not a SINGLE death, ever, has been attributed to AAS use. Each year, 2.5 MILLION folks die from obesity. It's important to keep it all in proper perspective.

    Like pot, AAS have been subjected to a vigorous misinformation campaign based on fluff, a not science.
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    Apr 19, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
    Re hormone replacement therapy.

    How does your doctor know how much is your "normal" if you don't have a previous baseline to go from? I'm assuming here that not every guy has the same testosterone levels so normal for one guy might not be normal for another or is that incorrect?

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    Apr 19, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
    Some doctors consider 250 "normal", while others would view that as way low. Some doctors view 1000 as normal.

    Patients with levels over 1000 have much improved outcomes, though, in study after study.

    One thing some doctors are scared to death of is the DEA telling them how to practice medicine, and, so, like pot, defensive medicine is practiced to the patient's disadvantage.