Obama signs executive order mandating same sex visitation rights and power of attorney in all hospitals accepting medicare and medicaid

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    Apr 16, 2010 12:49 AM GMT
    http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/president-obama-signs-order-directing-hospitals-to-grant-gay-couples-visitation-rights/ icon_biggrin.gif

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/15/AR2010041505502.html
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
    Yeah. It's such a shame that he's so homophobic and takes our community for granted.
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidYeah. It's such a shame that he's so homophobic and takes our community for granted.


    Haha I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic or serious...so going with serious, regardless of whether or not you like him, its not like its a harmful step. icon_neutral.gif
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:42 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidYeah. It's such a shame that he's so homophobic and takes our community for granted.




    Who Christian73/sarcasmo73… sarcastic never—facetious maybe.


    So I no longer need the reciprocal powers of attorney?
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    Apr 16, 2010 2:25 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidYeah. It's such a shame that he's so homophobic and takes our community for granted.


    Haha I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic or serious...so going with serious, regardless of whether or not you like him, its not like its a harmful step. icon_neutral.gif


    I was poking fun at certain people on here who are always screaming that Obama hasn't done enough.
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    Apr 16, 2010 3:02 AM GMT
    See, that's what I thought, but I was just making sure haha. I think that Obama has genuinely good intent for our cause, however, I think overall he's more cautious than anything else. (That, and it has only been a year, so I'm so far inclined to give him some leeway in terms of the LGBT-preferred timetable) icon_idea.gif
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    Apr 16, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidYeah. It's such a shame that he's so homophobic and takes our community for granted.




    Who Christian73/sarcasmo73… sarcastic never—facetious maybe.


    So I no longer need the reciprocal powers of attorney?


    As far as I can tell, this executive order allows you to freely designate your partner as having medical power of attorney as well as giving them the "normal" visitation rights accorded heterosexual couples.
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    Apr 16, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    Interesting coincidence, because we just got an email today from our Florida attorney, warning us that a recent Florida court decision undermined the health care surrogate documents my partner & I had each drawn for the other. We were going to contact him tomorrow about this issue, and now this further development has occurred. We'll hear what he thinks, and report back here, reference how gays are affected in Florida.
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    Apr 16, 2010 5:12 AM GMT
    Teabaggers and O'Reilly are going to be so pissed. Visiting your partner on his deathbed is a gateway to fucking your Pomeranian.
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    Apr 16, 2010 7:49 AM GMT
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    I don't think even O'reilly could be against something like this.
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    Apr 16, 2010 9:29 AM GMT
    I want this to be true. I need this to be true.

    I worry about this far too often. Even after the countless hours and thousand$ we've spent on attorneys, I'm always worried that the documents (wills, living wills, etc.) won't be enough to guarantee visitation rights.

    They would have to haul me to prison if they tried to keep me from my baby. God forbid if anything dire were to happen to him, and I couldn't be there to help him pass on. Shit, I can't even think about what I'd do to anyone trying to deny my rights to be with him.

    And, BronzeChew, you're giving O'Reilly too much credit. He will absolutely be against this. O'Reilly, Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Boner ... every one of them will have a field day with this news.
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    Apr 16, 2010 10:39 AM GMT
    It is true and totally effin A!
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    Apr 16, 2010 10:49 AM GMT
    BronzeChew saidicon_razz.gif

    I don't think even O'reilly could be against something like this.

    Sean Hannity will be against this, mark my words. You're right about O'Reilly though, he's slowly growing a heart. He was even against that Catholic school expelling that kid for having lesbian mothers.



    As for the news, while I don't think Obama does anything that isn't totally calculated, I'm genuinely touched by this memo. I think this is really important.
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    Apr 16, 2010 11:38 AM GMT
    This will be one more step towards Armageddon for many. I'm sure Pat Robertson will find some way to blame a natural disaster on this.

    However, it will really show how mean-spirited many people in this country are towards gay people if they oppose this.
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    Apr 16, 2010 12:49 PM GMT
    very good to hear!
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:06 PM GMT
    Is an executive order only good for the term of a presidency?
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:08 PM GMT
    McGay saidIs an executive order only good for the term of a presidency?


    According to Wikipedia, "To date, U.S. courts have overturned only two executive orders: the aforementioned Truman order, and a 1996 order issued by President Clinton that attempted to prevent the U.S. government from contracting with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll."
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:11 PM GMT
    I wonder what would happen to this executive order if the unthinkable happens.

    It certainly is good news, though, at least temporarily.
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
    McGay saidI wonder what would happen to this executive order if the unthinkable happens.

    It certainly is good news, though, at least temporarily.


    Wikipedia also notes: "Until the 1950s, there were no rules or guidelines outlining what the president could or could not do through an Executive Order. However, the Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution. Presidents since this decision have generally been careful to cite which specific laws they are acting under when issuing new Executive Orders."
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:20 PM GMT
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    reppaT saidAnd, BronzeChew, you're giving O'Reilly too much credit. He will absolutely be against this. O'Reilly, Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Boner ... every one of them will have a field day with this news.


    I await the transcripts that you will be posting from Media Matters that will prove your ridiculous accusation.

    Why can't some of you just celebrate this good news without turning it into political mudslinging? It's good news. Leave it at that!


    Southbeach--

    In comment sections of other news websites, I have seen many upset comments over this move... Obama is forcing hospitals who recieve federal funding to change their policies--they say this is more government power bullying the healthcare system.

    Though it seems you are in favor of this move by Obama. Is this more of big governemnt like what the tea baggers say?
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:34 PM GMT
    lissenup saidThis will be one more step towards Armageddon for many. I'm sure Pat Robertson will find some way to blame a natural disaster on this.

    However, it will really show how mean-spirited many people in this country are towards gay people if they oppose this.


    I misread this post at first glance. All I saw was "Robert Pattinson"...
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:37 PM GMT
    BronzeChew saidicon_razz.gif

    I don't think even O'reilly could be against something like this.


    Oh sure he could...
    At any rate, I'm glad Obama did this. It's about time this door got blown down.
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    Apr 16, 2010 1:52 PM GMT
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    McGay saidI wonder what would happen to this executive order if the unthinkable happens.

    It certainly is good news, though, at least temporarily.


    Wikipedia also notes: "Until the 1950s, there were no rules or guidelines outlining what the president could or could not do through an Executive Order. However, the Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution. Presidents since this decision have generally been careful to cite which specific laws they are acting under when issuing new Executive Orders."

    Obama's order is to the Dept. of Human Health and Services (HHS), a department under the Executive Branch the President directs, to develop rules implementing this policy. Obama has not used an Executive Order directly with health care providers or hospitals.

    To be legal, the HHS rules will indeed need to comport with existing Federal laws, and will apparently hinge on applying these guidelines to the release of Federal funding. I haven't yet seen a detailed analysis of how this will be done, so that speculation about whether it will ultimately be legal or not may be premature.

    To restate, Obama hasn't directly ordered hospitals to do anything. But if they want Federal money, they will need to comply with these patient policies. They won't be committing a crime if they refuse, but then they won't get Federal Medicare and Medicaid money, either. It's a commonly used funding ploy that courts have ruled legal in the past, on a wide range of issues.
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    Apr 16, 2010 2:16 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidTeabaggers and O'Reilly are going to be so pissed. Visiting your partner on his deathbed is a gateway to fucking your Pomeranian.


    lol
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    Apr 16, 2010 2:54 PM GMT
    reppaT saidI want this to be true. I need this to be true.
    They would have to haul me to prison if they tried to keep me from my baby. God forbid if anything dire were to happen to him, and I couldn't be there to help him pass on ... I can't even think about what I'd do to anyone trying to deny my rights to be with him.

    this is where we are being warned that love is not enough. you must plan. knowing your rights and where there is an unequal distribution is essential. one of the guaranteed aspects of being human is death. in order to be more prepared for that time - which can come unexpectedly - for yourself and for those you love, documents, signatures, evidence needs to be put into place. I don't want to think about this but I've already accepted those coming days for my parents and because my guy is a snowboarder I need to look into visitation rights and the like. oh, dear ... I hope this is true as well, for all of us.