For the people by the people??

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    Jan 26, 2008 8:53 PM GMT
    Does anyone believe this to be true regarding our country's leadership?

    No matter how low the opinion polls go, they seem to stay in power. No matter how many people call for a gov official to be removed from office, they remain. No matter how much dirt is brought up in senate committee hearings, they always bring up secrecy issues and the accusations are dropped or simply set aside and forgotten. We call freedom of information and we get documents totally blacked out. For the powerful and rich by the powerful and rich is my opinion. We NEED an average joe as president. He may still be a puppet of congress/etc, but atleast his interests would match the average man.
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    Jan 26, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    scottNV saidWe NEED an average joe as president. He may still be a puppet of congress/etc, but atleast his interests would match the average man.

    Not hardly. This was precisely the argument for George Bush's election -- he was an "average Joe" and Gore was a snotty innaleckshul.
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    Jan 27, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    Why not just select our "representatives" from "jury pools" for staggered 2-4 year stints, instead of having "elections"? Make it law that your "job" is held for you and this would just be another part of your "civic duty".icon_question.gificon_idea.gif
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    Jan 27, 2008 12:30 AM GMT
    bush is a big poopy head!
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    Jan 27, 2008 12:42 AM GMT
    Most of "We the People..." will put up with almost anything in order not to rock the boat on their relatively luxurious consumer driven lifestyle.

    Only when all of that is severely threatened, or unless OUTRAGED (and then only temporarily) people look at what they have, and are totally unwilling to make hard sacrafices in order to change...

    Perhaps if there were 35%+ unemployment accompanied by huge amounts of stagflation again...

    Until then, don't hold your breathe...

    Real rebellions are few and far between.
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    Jan 27, 2008 2:20 PM GMT
    ITJock saidMost of "We the People..." will put up with almost anything in order not to rock the boat on their relatively luxurious consumer driven lifestyle.


    Sad but so true.

    The road to an Orwellian society is paved with good intentions and plenty of advertising boards along the side to distract us from where were going.
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    Jan 27, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    "This was precisely the argument for George Bush's election -- he was an "average Joe" and Gore was a snotty innaleckshul. "

    Next to GWB, a mound of doody would look the same as Gore did.

    Oh my god, there's a president in my toilet.
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    Jan 27, 2008 3:23 PM GMT
    ScottNV !!! I couldn't agree with you more !!! You know, if Clinton had not turned a blind eye, and stopped the investigation of Bush's daddy involvement (bush#1 was a CIA boss) in the Iran Contra affair, and the delay of the release of American embassy hostages in Iran, for the purpose of his and Reagans being elected instead of Carter being re-elected. We probably wouldn't be in this Iraq mess right now !! But like you say, no-matter what they do, they just keep getting rotated around in government, and nothing we do seems to stop the direction the powerfull money backed officials want to take us in. Clinton's are right in the middle of this mess !!!! of the powerful, for the powerful !!!
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    Jan 27, 2008 5:27 PM GMT
    Given our new election systems it's all going to come down to who has the best hackers to alter the votes.

    How many elections must we endure that looked rigged or fixed before the country revolts? ITjock, you are in computer security, how can election systems be made foolproof? What happened to our paper trail for these electronic voting machines? I get a receipt for every transaction I perform daily, but I can't get one showing me who I voted for?? What is going on here? icon_eek.gificon_evil.gif
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    Jan 30, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    Oh Kwitcherbellyakin! We are truly a country of the people, by the people and for the people. Our corrupt elected officials are the perfect mirror of the people.
    Who among you can claim to be perfect?
    In example, the Democrats have a saying; "voting against your economic interest", does that mean that Democrats buy votes? I think it does. For instance, the parasitic sponges will always vote Democrat so they can continue to be parasitic sponges. Most Union members vote Democrat so they can continue to hold the economy hostage and continue to prove to be poor competitors on the global market.
    If you have a problem with corrupt officials, why not corrupt citizens?
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    Jan 30, 2008 5:23 AM GMT
    The union members, minorities, general working-class folks, and intellectuals are NOT the "parasitic sponges." That honor has to go to the folks who live off other's labor without ever doing anything useful themselves. Yep, it's the bond traders, hedge-fund guys, dim-witted managers, and the rich folks whose money they "handle" for them. You can be sure those guys always vote their economic self interest.

    Yeah, it's easy to get discouraged our country's political life. Look at our dismal run of presidents in the last couple of generations. But look abroad and you won't find a whole lot better political class in many countries. The problem with democracy is that it has to accomodate lots of different interests. Thus it doesn't move very fast, and solve all of our problems at once. But what system is better?