They Might be Clueless but at Least They're Consistent

  • GQjock

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    Apr 19, 2010 10:31 AM GMT
    Republicans remain uniformly against Financial Reform Bill
    all 41 Senate republicans still state that they will vote against Financial Reform

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    Apr 19, 2010 1:15 PM GMT
    This is a sure-fire way for the Republicans to ensure that Democrats maintain their majorities. The Tea Partiers hate Wall Street more than they hate Obama.
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    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidThis is a sure-fire way for the Republicans to ensure that Democrats maintain their majorities. The Tea Partiers hate Wall Street more than they hate Obama.


    Why wouldn't the Democrats maintain their majorities in November?

    There are so many Democrat success stories over the past year or so, such as:

    Passing the Healthcare Reform bill, which the majority of Americans support (just ignore those polls saying that more Americans oppose the new law - it's biased polling coupled with Republican brainwashing tactics)

    Their superb handling of the economy (the numbers keep going up... unemployment numbers that is)

    President Obama's decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (the 9/11 mastermind, allegedly) in a civilian court... in New York City.... has been hailed by the populace... especially those in New York City.

    And look what's coming up:

    The much awaited "Energy Legislation" .... yep, that will be another "success for the American people."

    So christian73, please stop trying to spin the truth.... Democrats will NOT be losing any seats this November... how could they when they are doing such great things for America?


    Ummm. The health care bill isn't any more opposed than Social Security or Medicare was, and it's early. Once the benefits of the legislation are more apparent, those numbers will change.

    Every significant trend in the economy is going in the right direction: stock market, consumer confidence, and, yes, even private sector jobs are growing. The fact that Bush's failed policies cost the country more than 8 million jobs.

    The KSM thing was hilarious. Most New Yorkers were not worried about trying him in NYC. And the Bush administration tried most of its Al Qaeda operatives in civilian courts, or just let them go. So stop being a hypocrite.

    I think financial reform will be SO popular, that if done right, might be enough to bring some tea baggers on board.
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    Apr 19, 2010 2:53 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]southbeach1500 said...So christian73, please stop trying to spin the truth...[/quote] LMAO @ RJ's ultimate spin doctor accusing someone else of truth spinning... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    southbeach1500 said
    rnch said[quote][citeLMAO @ RJ's ultimate spin doctor accusing someone else of truth spinning... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Well, when I'm up against a bunch of New York Times-reading, Rachel Maddow watching liberals, of course you would all disagree with me! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif


    I keep telling you, I'm NOT a liberal. I don't even watch Rachel Maddow. If anything, I'm a Nation-reading, Olbermann-watching Democratic Socialist. icon_razz.gif
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    southbeach1500 said
    rnch said[quote][citeLMAO @ RJ's ultimate spin doctor accusing someone else of truth spinning... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Well, when I'm up against a bunch of New York Times-reading, Rachel Maddow watching liberals, of course you would all disagree with me! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif


    Maybe if you put down the National Enquirer and stop watching Nickelodeon, you wouldn't feel so overwhelmed.
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    southbeach1500 said
    rnch said[quote][citeLMAO @ RJ's ultimate spin doctor accusing someone else of truth spinning... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Well, when I'm up against a bunch of New York Times-reading, Rachel Maddow watching liberals, of course you would all disagree with me! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif


    Ever occur to you that we are disagreeing with you so vehemently not because you are conservative, but because you antagonize and belittle the shit out those of us who are not?

    Moral of the story: If you can't eat it, don't dish it out.
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    Apr 19, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rnch said[quote][citeLMAO @ RJ's ultimate spin doctor accusing someone else of truth spinning... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    Well, when I'm up against a bunch of New York Times-reading, Rachel Maddow watching liberals, of course you would all disagree with me! icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif


    So, in other words, you're up against a bunch of educated people who read the most respected news source of record in the world? At least you can admit you're a brainwashed, under-educated dumb-ass, unlike most selfish hypocritical republicans... probably the first thing I've ever been able to say to your credit.


    The republicans have once again proven their hypocrisy on this one, much like with healthcare reform: They attempted to block the moderate, centrist senate compromise (that was practically identical to the plan MITT ROMNEY of all people proposed for Mass. -- and that has seen sky-high approval since its inception there).

    Now they attempt to block something intended to reign in the banks and REDUCE the likelihood of a bailout. HYPOCRITES is the only word for this. They clearly don't care about what the democrats put before them; they will be sore losers to the end and vote it down no matter what. And they have no ideas of their own to offer whatsoever.

    Obama was right to pursue this issue next. It will further expose the GOP for the childish obstructionists they are. I see this destroying their hopes for big gains in Congress this fall -- thank God!
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    Apr 19, 2010 6:43 PM GMT
    Southbeach says that when it comes to the economy, "the numbers keep going up... unemployment numbers that is".

    NOT SO MUCH, SB.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100419/ap_on_bi__go_ec_fi/us_economy

    The link reports on todays news that the Conference Board's index of leading economic indicators jumped UP by 1.4 percent, beating expectations.

    But you can keep dreaming, and hoping for America to fail, Southbeach.
    Like the rest of your fellow Republican/Teabaggers.
  • Shiv66

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    Apr 19, 2010 7:11 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    But you can keep dreaming, and hoping for America to fail, Southbeach.
    Like the rest of your fellow Republican/Teabaggers.


    Treasonous bastards, the lot of them. Forget the New York Times, forget whatever other sources of news and inspiration everyone's bandying about to justify their positions. I've caught up on "The Tudors," finally, the only true bible for how we should govern and be governed. Henry VIII would have known what to do: the likes of SB would be hung, drawn, and quartered, their heads mounted on pikes on the spire of the new, misnamed Freedom Tower.
  • Hunter9

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    Apr 19, 2010 7:40 PM GMT
    im becoming more and more convinced that southbeach has severe psychological issues and is potentially delusional... which somewhat takes the fun out pointing out how completely moronic his posts are
  • GQjock

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    Apr 19, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    Nine months after he penned a memo laying out the arguments for health care legislation's destruction, Republican message guru Frank Luntz has put together a playbook to help derail financial regulatory reform.
    "Public outrage about the bailout of banks and Wall Street is a simmering time bomb set to go off on Election Day," Luntz wrote. "Frankly, the single best way to kill any legislation is to link it to the Big Bank Bailout."

    Frank Luntz Pens Memo To Kill Financial Regulatory Reform
    Sam Stein Huffington Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/01/frank-luntz-pens-memo-to_n_444332.html


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    GQjock saidNine months after he penned a memo laying out the arguments for health care legislation's destruction, Republican message guru Frank Luntz has put together a playbook to help derail financial regulatory reform.
    "Public outrage about the bailout of banks and Wall Street is a simmering time bomb set to go off on Election Day," Luntz wrote. "Frankly, the single best way to kill any legislation is to link it to the Big Bank Bailout."

    Frank Luntz Pens Memo To Kill Financial Regulatory Reform
    Sam Stein Huffington Post
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/01/frank-luntz-pens-memo-to_n_444332.html


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    Does McConnell having Frank Luntz's hand up his ass constitute "fisting" or just puppetry?
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    southbeach1500 said
    Hunter9 saidim becoming more and more convinced that southbeach has severe psychological issues and is potentially delusional... which somewhat takes the fun out pointing out how completely moronic his posts are


    Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am certified as mentally competent each year... it's a requirement for my job.

    It's quite mean for you to cast me as mentally defective just because my political views are opposed to yours.


    I'm inclined to agree that we needn't claim each other are mentally ill in order to make our points.
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    Apr 20, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidIt's quite mean for you to cast me as mentally defective just because my political views are opposed to yours.

    I'm inclined to agree that we needn't claim each other are mentally ill in order to make our points.


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    Apr 20, 2010 12:30 AM GMT
    You know what they say. "Americans are against Obama Healthcare Reform, but they're for what's in the bill."

    It's spin. Like "Death Tax" instead of "Inheritance Tax." There's a book called "Language for the Twenty-first Century" that advises conservative politicians on how to control public opinion by controlling language. Great lengths are taken to ensure "message discipline." The party and all that they control -- namely the conservative media -- all repeat the same buzzwords and give them the same negative connotations, so that people are surrounded by one central message that they can't ignore.

    I learned about this is my college rhetoric class. Which was taught by a conservative Christian, by the way.
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    Christian73 saidThis is a sure-fire way for the Republicans to ensure that Democrats maintain their majorities. The Tea Partiers hate Wall Street more than they hate Obama.


    Why wouldn't the Democrats maintain their majorities in November?

    There are so many Democrat success stories over the past year or so, such as:

    Passing the Healthcare Reform bill, which the majority of Americans support (just ignore those polls saying that more Americans oppose the new law - it's biased polling coupled with Republican brainwashing tactics)

    Their superb handling of the economy (the numbers keep going up... unemployment numbers that is)

    President Obama's decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (the 9/11 mastermind, allegedly) in a civilian court... in New York City.... has been hailed by the populace... especially those in New York City.

    And look what's coming up:

    The much awaited "Energy Legislation" .... yep, that will be another "success for the American people."

    So christian73, please stop trying to spin the truth.... Democrats will NOT be losing any seats this November... how could they when they are doing such great things for America?


    Ummm. The health care bill isn't any more opposed than Social Security or Medicare was, and it's early. Once the benefits of the legislation are more apparent, those numbers will change.

    Every significant trend in the economy is going in the right direction: stock market, consumer confidence, and, yes, even private sector jobs are growing. The fact that Bush's failed policies cost the country more than 8 million jobs.

    The KSM thing was hilarious. Most New Yorkers were not worried about trying him in NYC. And the Bush administration tried most of its Al Qaeda operatives in civilian courts, or just let them go. So stop being a hypocrite.

    I think financial reform will be SO popular, that if done right, might be enough to bring some tea baggers on board.



    Here is the thing. This will NOT bring Tea Party members over to support Obama. There are a TON of small business owners who belong to the Tea Party including myself and the last thing we need is excessive regulation that will further hurt lending. What is needed of course is common sense regulation but a very MILD common sense EFFICIENT PRO GROWTH regulation. There is a big difference. FYI loand backed by Fannie has now increase their debt ratio to 55% which is the same dangerous area where a lot of loans went belly up. Its almost like the gov't refuses to learn their lesson. The highest number of foreclosures in past 5 years has just hit and when you look at the default loans in the pipeline and in many markets you will see a dreadful picture. This will guarantee over saturated markets which will pull market values down. The principle of substitution applies here and is and will be very relevant going into late 2011. That is very wishful thinking just like Health Care will be popular anytime soon. IN FACT, support has decreased. See the below stats.

    Health Care Law
    56% Support Repeal of Health Care Law

    Monday, April 19, 2010

    Support for repeal of the recently-passed national health care plan is proving to be just as consistent as opposition to the plan before it was passed.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% of likely voters nationwide favor repeal, while 41% are opposed. Those figures include 48% who Strongly Favor repeal and 29% who Strongly Oppose it.

    Over the past four weeks, support for repeal has remained in a very narrow range from a low of 54% to a high of 58%.

    Forty percent (40%) now believe repeal is at least somewhat likely, up two points from a week ago. Forty-nine percent (49%) say it’s not likely. This include just 15% who see repeal as Very Likely and 12% who say it's Not at All Likely.

    (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.

    Just 35% of voters believe the new health care law will be good for the country, while 52% believe it will be bad. These numbers have changed little since the March 21 House vote to pass the health care bill. Prior to passage of the law, Scott Rasmussen wrote a Wall Street Journal column explaining “Why Obama Can’t Move the Health Care Numbers.”

    Rasmussen Reports will track support for the repeal effort on a weekly basis for as long as it remains a significant issue. New updates will be released each Monday morning.

    Each Monday at 3:00 p.m. Eastern, Rasmussen Reports will release new updates on the Generic Congressional Ballot. The health care issue is likely to be a key factor is this year’s congressional elections. Currently, most voters recognize that the “Party of No” refers to the Republican Party and the GOP holds a solid advantage in terms of voter preference.

    Eighty-seven percent (87%) of Republicans and 55% of voters not affiliated with either major party favor repeal. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats are opposed.

    Forty-five percent (45%) of Republicans say repeal is at least somewhat likely. So do 43% of unaffiliated voters. As for Democrats, 51% say repeal is not likely to happen.

    Generally speaking, the partisan and demographic breakdowns have shifted little since passage of the health care bill. Those groups who opposed the bill tend to support repeal and those who supported the bill oppose repeal.

    Most voters have believed for months that the quality of health care will suffer if the plan becomes law and that costs will go up.

    Voters strongly believe the health care reform plan will cost more than official estimates, and 78% expect an increase in taxes on the middle class to pay for it.

    Sixty-six percent (66%) of voters believe America is already overtaxed.

    Please sign up for the Rasmussen Reports daily e-mail update (it's free) or follow us on Twitter or Facebook. Let us keep you up to date with the latest public opinion news.

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    Apr 20, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    I tell you what. Let's all chip in to give the Conservatives a year abroad. Then, in the meantime, our country can EVOLVE.
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    Apr 20, 2010 1:06 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidA very good observation. I hope you also realize that the other side does the same.

    I know that Democrats do that as well. There's just not as many easily-named examples. It doesn't mean that there are fewer examples -- I just can't name any off the top of my head, nor the name of the man who wrote the guidebook.

    Our bipartisan system of government is largely to blame. I wish that we could have multiple parties, but I don't see it happening. The democratic/conservative dichotomy just leads to a ping-pong game of political subterfuge, and of course people acting like douchebags online.
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    Apr 20, 2010 1:13 AM GMT
    PAStud21 -

    All of your posts are just spewing right-wing and Tea Party talking points. You realize, there is no actual Tea Party, right? That the whole thing is sponsored by Dick Armey's FreedomWorks? In case you dont know, FreedomWorks is an "astroturfing" organization that buses angry middle class white people around to blamed poor people for all their troubles. It's like Fox news on wheels.
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    Apr 20, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    PA"stud"21 -
    You do realize that Rasmussen is not a credible polling firm, don't you?
    Their polls are consistently out of step with all the other polls - with a pro right-wing tilt.
    Don't you care about not being mislead by right-wing bs?

    One thing you are right about though.
    The teabaggers aren't going to side with the Dems on financial reform, or anything else for that matter.
    BEACUSE THEY'RE REPUBLICANS.

    They're just a rebranded wing of the party of "HELL NO".
  • Webster666

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    Apr 20, 2010 9:08 PM GMT
    Even though the Republican leadership is vowing that all 41 Senators will vote against financial reform, just as they did against health care, I don't see it happening. The general public is overwhelmingly angry at Wall Street, and wants to see them reined in with some strong regulations and oversight.

    However, the voters tend to be stupid.
    They are easily swayed by the Republicans favorite tactics of fear, hatred, and lies. So, they will vote for change in the Congressional elections.

    The big mistake that the Democrats are making is not giving the voters some positive changes, right now, that would provide millions of jobs, and make voters want to vote for the Democrats.
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    southbeach1500 said
    Shiv66 saidHenry VIII would have known what to do: the likes of SB would be hung, drawn, and quartered, their heads mounted on pikes on the spire of the new, misnamed Freedom Tower.

    Hmmmm... sounds to me like hate speech, intolerance and threats of violence wrapped up in one tidy sentence.

    How nice.


    The phrase is written in the third-person subjunctive. There is no threat in there, but there is a factual depiction of what what done to people convicted of treason - which (if I read correctly) some here are accusing you of.

    (That is another thing we Canadians find amusing - how all political discussion in the US is so extreme. But we are a nation founded on compromise and governed by it. We were not borne of revolution, and we don't see enemies everywhere (like in our own government) We have started no wars, and the only time we have been invaded was by the Americans whadda surprise).

    The most puzzling thing to us is the incredible distrust Americans have of their own government even as they claim to have the best system in the world. Total cognitive dissonance. If there is ever a need for an entire nation to undergo a lot of psychotherapy it is the USA, if only to address their incredible paranoia that endangers the rest of us so.

    We have no surfeit of love for our politicians but we don't see conspiracies everywhere. We don't draw Hitler moustaches on signs (how childish!).

    We don't all feel we need to carry guns (so out of a populaton of 30 million we had only just over 600 homicides NATIONALLY last year, most of them were using a knife) I'd say the results speak for themselves. America was born from violence, lives in violence and actually celebrates it (look at Hollywood movies compared to Bollywood's musical love story extravaganzas. Very interesting glimpse into the national psyche.)

    Consider also America's folk heroes are as likely to have been outlaws as they were lawmen (more the latter than the former, though.) It all paints a fascinating portrait of a complex conflicted people.

    I lived among Americans in the 70s. They are different now. A lot less likable.

    But I have digressed widely in my musings.

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    Apr 28, 2010 6:41 PM GMT
    Yes, UpperCanadian, I agree America has taken a turn for the worse since the 1970's.
    The reason?
    The change that occured in the ideology of the Republican party in the Reagan/Bush 1980's.
    The religious right and it's hate-based "values" took control of the Republican party.
    And the Repubs adopted anti-middle class, pro-the ultra rich economic policies (aka - class warfare).
    This new toxic ideology inspired those who identify as Republican to become angry, bigoted, and intolerant.
    The toxic ideology, and the failure of the Reagan trickle-down economics scam - caused me to leave the Republican party in 1987.