Gas/Oil Prices

  • DCEric

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    Apr 20, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    Is anyone else glad the price of gasoline is going up? I think, given the American belief that invocation should largely be driven by the private sector, then the only way to get more efficient cars that are reliant on other sources of energy is higher prices for gas. What do you all think?
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    Apr 20, 2010 2:00 AM GMT
    Since my commute to work is only 2.6 miles and my gym and organic grocery store are right along that same route, the rise in the price of gas hasn't disturbed me much. And I agree with you, only when the price is high and Americans are feeling the pinch will they push for and buy more efficient vehicles.
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    Apr 20, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    Hurray for high gas prices! icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 20, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidHurray for high gas prices! icon_lol.gif


    well, i'm not exactly giddy about it...but i do like the idea of seeing smaller vehicles on the road. when i pick up my daughters from school in my little XB, i am dwarfed by all the moms in their escalades, suburbans, and those big assed mercedes bus-things. i know these larger vehicles are getting better gas mileage, but really...do you need a friggin' bus?
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    Apr 20, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    My car gets 65 miles/gal, and is 15yrs old. I bought it used 2yrs ago completely refurbished by a mechanic who flips these used cars.

    I would have bought something newer but automakers had nothing affordable with comparable mileage. The best they could offer was 50miles/gal.

    CRANK the gas prices for a year to let the environmental rapists cripple under the pressure.

    Alberta's population would self destruct.
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    Apr 20, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    God I want a Nissan Leaf so bad. I was on the pre-waiting list, first in line for the real waiting list, but I had to get off because there's no way I could afford it.
  • calibro

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    Apr 20, 2010 2:35 PM GMT
    I'll drive less than ten miles a month usually, but then prices rise as soon as I have to relocate to another state and drive 1,800 miles... sigh
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    Apr 20, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    After the oil embargo in the 70's we should have slapped a huge tax on oil and put that money in developing alternative energy, better engines, and invested in the public transportation we have been dismantling for 50 years.

    But, oh well. Hopefully higher oil prices will push out obscene things like Chilean grapes in January.
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    Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    it costs me an average of $65 -70 a week in gas.
    i'm paying $1.06 / liter right now .

    prices keep going up and down by 10cents weekly here, so i don't give a shit anymore.
    and if you think increases in price will make a difference right now you're wrong. Not until prices become outrageous do people change their habits. We saw it a bit 2 years ago but it didn't last.
    And then watch the inflation go stratospheric because of production and transportation costs , starting with the most basic of all : FOOD ( starving isn't fun )


  • tokugawa

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    Apr 20, 2010 5:38 PM GMT
    We can't even pay for proper maintenance of our roads because the anti-tax forces prevent increasing the gas tax.

    Pennsylvania has over 5,000 substandard bridges which, hopefully, will not fall down while waiting to be repaired. Based on the current rate of bridge repairs, it may be 5 years before all of these are fixed. The good news is that before the Obama stimulus money, it would have been 10 years before all of these are repaired. The South Street bridge in Philadelphia is finally being rebuilt after chunks of concrete started to fall down onto lanes of I-76, the Schuylkill Expressway (a.k.a. the Sure-Kill Crawl-way.)

    In Philadelphia the budget for painting street lines has been reduced so much that in many places the previous paint has completely disappeared, especially on curves where it is needed most.
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    26mileman saidMy car gets 65 miles/gal, and is 15yrs old. I bought it used 2yrs ago completely refurbished by a mechanic who flips these used cars.

    I would have bought something newer but automakers had nothing affordable with comparable mileage. The best they could offer was 50miles/gal.

    CRANK the gas prices for a year to let the environmental rapists cripple under the pressure.

    Alberta's population would self destruct.

    I'm not aware of any car on Earth that gets 65 MPG, whether diesel, gas or hybrid, other than experimental. Plus you say it's 15 years old. We really must know more about this miracle.
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    Apr 20, 2010 8:59 PM GMT
    Dr. Martin Wachs of the RAND research organization and UC-Berkley professor has conducted a great deal of work in the area of transportation finance as well as others (Goldman, Hannay, etc).

    They find that on average the gas tax is $0.40 across the US (fed, state, local) and should be increased to $1.01. Texas DOT paid for a study that concluded that Texas should increase the motor fuel tax to over $1.30.

    Wachs noted that the buying power of today's motor fuel tax is less than in 1957 when we first started building interstate highways thanks to the 1956 Federal interstate highway act under President Eisenhower. This important note highlights the fact that motor fuel taxes are far lower than they need to be in order to maintain and build new roadways or improve existing ones with new technology (digital electronic message boards letting motorists know about travel time to X highway, accidents ahead; digital speed limit signs; cameras monitoring traffic or signals; and many other ITS or Intelligent Transportation System methods).
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    Apr 20, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    I'm not aware of any car on Earth that gets 65 MPG, whether diesel, gas or hybrid, other than experimental. Plus you say it's 15 years old. We really must know more about this miracle.


    People driving these claim 50+ mpg easy.

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    65 mpg... I doubt it unless we're using imperial figures and something imported from Europe. Europe has several models that have ratings even above 65 mpg on the highway. They only translate into the mid 50's on the US EPA test cycle.

  • nv7_

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    Apr 20, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
    65 MPG Ford Fiesta ECOnetic, on Sale in Europe In November, Not Coming to U.S.
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2008/09/65-mpg-ford-fiesta-econetic-on-sale-in-europe-in-november-not-coming-to-us.html

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    Apr 20, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
    nv7_ said65 MPG Ford Fiesta ECOnetic, on Sale in Europe In November, Not Coming to U.S.
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2008/09/65-mpg-ford-fiesta-econetic-on-sale-in-europe-in-november-not-coming-to-us.html



    54 mpg in the US.
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    Apr 20, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
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    Apr 20, 2010 9:35 PM GMT
    ATC84 said
    nv7_ said65 MPG Ford Fiesta ECOnetic, on Sale in Europe In November, Not Coming to U.S.
    http://blogs.edmunds.com/greencaradvisor/2008/09/65-mpg-ford-fiesta-econetic-on-sale-in-europe-in-november-not-coming-to-us.html



    54 mpg in the US.


    Diesel Ford Fiesta Smokes Prius, Gets 62.5 MPG

    http://jalopnik.com/397712/diesel-ford-fiesta-smokes-prius-gets-625-mpg

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    Apr 20, 2010 9:43 PM GMT
    My bike gets 25 miles per megacalorie. A gallon of gas is ~31 MCal, so if *I* drank gasoline I'd get 775 MPG. To be honest, I don't know how any of you deal with the taste. ;-)

    The other bike gets 65 MPG city. I'm cool with gas prices rising.
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    Apr 20, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
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    Diesel Ford Fiesta Smokes Prius, Gets 62.5 MPG

    http://jalopnik.com/397712/diesel-ford-fiesta-smokes-prius-gets-625-mpg


    A slower car than the Prius that also falls below it in class size. It uses diesel which is more expensive in most parts of the US. We won't see one in the US. The marginal returns on increasing fuel economy as you get up the efficiency won't draw US buyers to buy the Fiesta in sustainable numbers. The Fiesta isn't a bad car, it just won't sell here as a mechanical sister to the European Ecotec model.

    EV's, Hybrids, downsized turbo engines, direct injection, and other technologies will be the future of automotive America.


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    Apr 20, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
    My bike gets me everywhere I need to go in 2 weeks once I move to DC/Bethesda. There's always an option to driving
  • ursa_minor

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    Apr 20, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    VW Scirocco 55mpg

    a bit of a laugh

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    Apr 20, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    26mileman said
    CRANK the gas prices for a year to let the environmental rapists cripple under the pressure. .
    Don't forget the biggest environmental rapists are consumers, because delivery of goods is done by things like 18-wheelers, jumbo cargo jets, etc. Those things, especially the jets, drink the fuck outta fuel. Everyone will feel the crunch on things other than just gas prices, because companies will have to cover their higher delivery costs.

    If you really want to be environmentally friendly, stop buying things that are imported or have to be shipped long distances. No actually don't. I may be flying cargo pretty soon...that would fuck up my next job. LOL
  • nv7_

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    Apr 20, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
    ATC84 said
    nv7_ said
    Diesel Ford Fiesta Smokes Prius, Gets 62.5 MPG

    http://jalopnik.com/397712/diesel-ford-fiesta-smokes-prius-gets-625-mpg


    A slower car than the Prius that also falls below it in class size. It uses diesel which is more expensive in most parts of the US. We won't see one in the US. The marginal returns on increasing fuel economy as you get up the efficiency won't draw US buyers to buy the Fiesta in sustainable numbers. The Fiesta isn't a bad car, it just won't sell here as a mechanical sister to the European Ecotec model.

    EV's, Hybrids, downsized turbo engines, direct injection, and other technologies will be the future of automotive America.




    62.5 mpg > mid 50's
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    nv7_ said
    62.5 mpg > mid 50's


    And....?

    Consider why the Camry outsells the Corolla.
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    26mileman saidMy car gets 65 miles/gal, and is 15yrs old. I bought it used 2yrs ago completely refurbished by a mechanic who flips these used cars.

    I would have bought something newer but automakers had nothing affordable with comparable mileage. The best they could offer was 50miles/gal.

    CRANK the gas prices for a year to let the environmental rapists cripple under the pressure.

    Alberta's population would self destruct.

    I'm not aware of any car on Earth that gets 65 MPG, whether diesel, gas or hybrid, other than experimental. Plus you say it's 15 years old. We really must know more about this miracle.


    It's not a miracle, it's called the Geo Metro.

    GM refuses to make them anymore.