White Hispanics

  • beaujangle

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    Apr 20, 2010 1:09 PM GMT
    With the census around the corner, there has been quite a bit of news on the growing population of Hispanics. But I read that about 50% of Hispanics are white. I find it confusing, I mean, are they in the Hispanics category or are they in the same category as whites? If they are in the same category, then the % of whites isn't shrinking that much.

    I'm just curious. Anyone can enlighten me on this matter? Thanks!
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    Apr 20, 2010 1:17 PM GMT
    ????
    odd...

    sadly, I don't see this thread going so well... icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 20, 2010 1:20 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 said????
    odd...

    sadly, I don't see this thread going so well... icon_eek.gif



    Haha lol
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    Apr 20, 2010 2:33 PM GMT
    White is a blanket term and it isn't completely synonymous with Caucasian. To the shock of many Americans I'm sure, 'white' is a term used in other countries with different connotations than the term has in the US. For example, it is a term used in Mexico to describe Mexican-born people of European descent such as myself and a great other percentage.
  • Timbales

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    Apr 20, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    My bf is Cuban but is 'white', he is descended from Spaniards and some English. Most people are surprised to hear he is Hispanic if they don't already know.
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    Apr 20, 2010 2:41 PM GMT
    I am 50% white and 50% hispanic. Dad is American born white male and mom is a Mexican immigrant to the US. I grew up my entire life in predominately white suburbia, had very limited exposure to my Mexican heritage, and don't speak any Spanish. I essentially grew up identifying completely with white culture even though I am technically hispanic. Therefore, the term white hispanic actually fits me perfectly.
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    Apr 20, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
    i'm no geneticist, but i've read that race is not determinable by DNA. in other words, when they look at DNA from crime scene, for instance, they can't determine race from it.

    race is irrelevant except as an interesting cultural side bar.

    btw, here in the south we are known for our "one drop" law. that is if you are a caucasian and mix with *any* ethinc group (black, asian, indian, etc), your child will be of that ethnic group. this is why, it's been speculated, white supremecy groups are so strong in this country: black men have black babies, native americans have native americans, asians have asians, but whites don't necessarily have whites...according to the one-drop rule. so they protect their race with a vengeance.

    race, as far as the census is concerned, is purely political.
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    Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
    I think it just goes to show the looming inadequacy of ethnic classification on the census. They should just add a box that says "it's complicated...'
  • calibro

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    Apr 20, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    that's not limited to hispanics. middle eastern people are often misrepresented and under-counted because they have to declare as white.
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    My roommate is considered "Hispanic" because he is from Brazil. This is eventhough he is as white as I am. He family history is German/ Italian Someone is classified as being Hispanic just because you are from Central or south America. Going by this stupid logic would I be considered "asian"if I moved to Asia?
    Brazil's population is 40% "white" (whites are more common in the south). My roommate gets so pissed when people tell him "you don't look Brazilian". Or when they assume he is going to look Latino because of his name: Henrique.
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Apr 20, 2010 5:44 PM GMT
    I have a friend named Blanca (so name because she looked white when she was born). Her nickname is Weta (because of her light complection) (P.S. someone help me with that spelling). Her parents describe themselves as American, but when pushed will say Mexican-American. Her mother from Texas "looks hispanic" and her father from Mexico "looks white".
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:48 PM GMT
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:49 PM GMT
    So-called hispanics can be of any race or any mix of races, so to say you are 50% white and 50% hispanic is kind of stupid.

    There is no such thing as a racially "hispanic" person. It is just one of those retarded holdover classifications so beloved in the racially obsessed U.S.
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidThere is no such thing as a racially "hispanic" person. It is just one of those retarded holdover classifications so beloved in the racially obsessed U.S.


    QFT. You can´t say hispanic in Spanish. Latino, yes, but hispanic.. never heard it.
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
    who cares? they should call them people.


    I feel sorry for all of the mix babies out there.These poor children are so confused they don't know what to call themselves these days with all of these labels.
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    Apr 20, 2010 5:58 PM GMT
    imagine my problem: i'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body. where's my check box for that?
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:00 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidimagine my problem: i'm a black woman trapped in a white man's body. where's my check box for that?


    America hasn't even passed the fact that people are really gay. A box like that probably wont be in existence until 3049.
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:05 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidMy bf is Cuban but is 'white', he is descended from Spaniards and some English. Most people are surprised to hear he is Hispanic if they don't already know.



    i am white (spanish) cuban as well...well half
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:09 PM GMT
    lurkah said
    The term hispanic/latino as it refers to in the census is not referring to racial makeup. Latino/hisp is not a race, but an ethnicity. The latino population is very diverse. There are white latinos, black latinos, american indian latinos, mestizo latinos, as well as asian latinos. So that is why there is no Latino/hisp "race"

    Very frequently people think that latino/hisp people are supposed to look a certain way. Depending on where in the country you live (like in the southern states brodering mexico), people think that if a person doesn't look "mexican" (whatever that means) then they are not hispanic.
    this is why there is a separate question where you check for latino ethnicity. Race and ethnicity are two different things. Hope that helps.


    Damn- If only I would have woken up earlier!
    Someone's ethnicity can also change over time- because ethnicity is a term used to describe what group you associate with and the beliefs and cultural practices you participate in.
    I have a Japanese acquaintance that I don't consider Japanese but Hispanic- Specifically Salvadorian... She only dates Salvadorian men and only eats Salvadorian food... she also speaks some spanish and no Japanese- even though she is 'first generation...'

    America is a joke.

    Don't take anything too seriously.




    Edit:
    So to the guy that grew up in the 'White-American' suburbs- you're all White icon_smile.gif
    Unless you're Catholic, in which case you are 70% Hispanic and 30% White-American
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:09 PM GMT
    I am in a similar situation as a white African, now dual U.S. citizen. Which box should I check? In the Old Country, for good historical reasons, all racial classifications were scrapped. To find myself here being asked what race I am feels like a throwback to a more barbaric time.
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:13 PM GMT
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    viveutvivas saidThere is no such thing as a racially "hispanic" person. It is just one of those retarded holdover classifications so beloved in the racially obsessed U.S.


    QFT. You can´t say hispanic in Spanish. Latino, yes, but hispanic.. never heard it.



    Hispana
    Hispano
    Habla hispana
    Lengua hispana
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:16 PM GMT
    It has to do with racial mixes and political reasons. I think what a lot of people call white I will call Anglo to distinguish between people who culturally identify as some sort of latin-american culture vs. european/english.

    Some like on my father's side are Mexican/Indian mix. He is noticeably brown like many people of Mexican descent. I do not think of him as white because he is not and consider myself racially mixed as my mother is a white person of Irish descent.

    But in the past, while politically considered white, many Mexicans for example have not been considered white and discriminated against nevertheless. Your "American-ness" might have very well have been determined my the tone of your skin.

    Here is an interesting note from Wikipedia under Mexican American:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_AmericanIn the past, Mexicans were legally considered "White" because either they were, or if not fully, because of early treaty obligations to Spaniards and Mexicans that conferred citizenship status at a time when white-ness was a prerequisite for U.S. citizenship. Although Mexican Americans were legally classified as "White" in terms of official federal policy, many organizations, businesses, and homeowners associations and local legal systems had official policies to exclude Mexican Americans. Throughout the southwest discrimination in wages were institutionalized in "white wages" versus lower "Mexican wages" for the same job classifications.
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
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    Lostboy said
    viveutvivas saidThere is no such thing as a racially "hispanic" person. It is just one of those retarded holdover classifications so beloved in the racially obsessed U.S.


    QFT. You can´t say hispanic in Spanish. Latino, yes, but hispanic.. never heard it.



    Hispana
    Hispano
    Habla hispana
    Lengua hispana
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    No, this just means Spanish. It is not equivalent to hispanic as used in the U.S.
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    Apr 20, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
    lurkah said
    viveutvivas saidI am in a similar situation as a white African, now dual U.S. citizen. Which box should I check? In the Old Country, for good historical reasons, all racial classifications were scrapped. To find myself here being asked what race I am feels like a throwback to a more barbaric time.


    I disagree. The census serves a very useful purpose. From a humanist perspective, all humans are just people regardless of their race. But from an academic, sociological, demographical, etc, viewpoint, the census helps us keep track of how out country has been changing and to see just how diverse our nation is. There are far too many reasons I cannot possibly list here enumerating the benefits of the census.


    I do not agree. The census is used for evil all the time. Right wingers use census data on the number of non-whites all the time to panic their constituencies for political purposes, for example to sweep up popular opposition to immigration and immigrants. Even in the health care debate census data was being used daily to create popular panic against paying for benefits for minorities.

    I suspect the ethnicity questions in the census is used for evil much more than for good. The constitution, by the way, FWIW, only requires a count, not a breakdown by race.