For all the times homosexulaity has been called un-natural, this goes a little way to counter that arguement.................gay swans!

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    Apr 20, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
    "Two male swans at Abbotsbury Swannery have set up nest together, and seem to be hoping to lay eggs."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/dorset/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_8621000/8621852.stm

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  • Timbales

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    Apr 20, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
    Swans are just gay geese.
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    Apr 20, 2010 9:47 PM GMT
    There has been reputable research noting homosexuality in almost all observed species. I can remember reading about whales, penguins, sheep, elk and lions specifically. It seems that regardless of the species (humans included), between 5% and 15% show no interest in the opposite sex whatsoever. Male whales have been observed performing the mating ritual with other males.

    I have research notes on this somewhere, but it will take me a couple of weeks to produce the sources.
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    Apr 20, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    Are there instances of gay animal couples adopting or otherwise taking care of other's offspring... sort of in corroboration of the theory that that's what evolution has in store for gays?
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    Apr 20, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
    Won't somebody please think of the children!?
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    Apr 20, 2010 10:07 PM GMT
    I heard that dolphins are just gay sharks.... icon_surprised.gif
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    Apr 20, 2010 10:09 PM GMT
    Oh puh-lease, as if there was anything more unnatural as humanity. icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 20, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    derPinguin saidThere has been reputable research noting homosexuality in almost all observed species. I can remember reading about whales, penguins, sheep, elk and lions specifically. It seems that regardless of the species (humans included), between 5% and 15% show no interest in the opposite sex whatsoever. Male whales have been observed performing the mating ritual with other males.

    I have research notes on this somewhere, but it will take me a couple of weeks to produce the sources.
    Why wait two weeks? icon_wink.gif
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
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    Apr 20, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
    oh but i'm sure these swans were brain washed by the gay, liberal agenda and those liberal media elite. Of course....... If swans could watch fox news, they'd know better... hahaha jk
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    Lmao i think fox did mention it
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
    Funny isn't it, that humans are pretty much the only ones to judge and weed out homosexuals from their species or gene pool.

    What's even worse, most people never took heed on the matter and discounted the evidences as they are "merely uncivilized animals".

    Just saying that homosexuality appeared even in the more primitive, instinctive animals that never truly relied on choice or intelligence. Think about it.
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:47 AM GMT
    jamontoast15 saidI heard that dolphins are just gay sharks.... icon_surprised.gif

    Damn. You beat me to the punch...lol.
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:48 AM GMT
    http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea2.html

    The sixth paragraph really cracked me out.

    There's a certain temptation to leaf through the book shouting "Caribou? Gay! Red-necked Wallaby? Gay! Golden Plover? GAY GAY GAY!" But of course it's not that simple.
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    Apr 21, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    jamontoast15 saidI heard that dolphins are just gay sharks.... icon_surprised.gif

    Damn. You beat me to the punch...lol.


    Lol, I just watched that last night icon_smile.gif
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    Apr 21, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    http://www.amazon.com/Biological-Exuberance-Homosexuality-Natural-Diversity/dp/0312192398

    Amazon.com Review
    Bruce Bagemihl writes that Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity was a "labor of love." And indeed it must have been, since most scientists have thus far studiously avoided the topic of widespread homosexual behavior in the animal kingdom--sometimes in the face of undeniable evidence. Bagemihl begins with an overview of same-sex activity in animals, carefully defining courtship patterns, affectionate behaviors, sexual techniques, mating and pair-bonding, and same-sex parenting. He firmly dispels the prevailing notion that homosexuality is uniquely human and only occurs in "unnatural" circumstances. As far as the nature-versus-nurture argument--it's obviously both, he concludes. An overview of biologists' discomfort with their own observations of animal homosexuality over 200 years would be truly hilarious if it didn't reflect a tendency of humans (and only humans) to respond with aggression and hostility to same-sex behavior in our own species. In fact, Bagemihl reports, scientists have sometimes been afraid to report their observations for fear of recrimination from a hidebound (and homophobic) academia. Scientists' use of anthropomorphizing vocabulary such as insulting, unfortunate, and inappropriate to describe same-sex matings shows a decided lack of objectivity on the part of naturalists.

    Astounding as it sounds, a number of scientists have actually argued that when a female Bonobo wraps her legs around another female ... while emitting screams of enjoyment, this is actually "greeting" behavior, or "appeasement" behavior ... almost anything, it seems, besides pleasurable sexual behavior.
    Throw this book into the middle of a crowd of wildlife biologists and watch them scatter. But Bagemihl doesn't let the scientific community's discomfort deny him the opportunity to show "the love that dare not bark its name" in all its feathery, furry, toothy diversity. The second half of this hefty tome is filled with an exhaustive array of species that exhibit homosexuality, complete with photos and detailed scientific illustrations of the behaviors described. Biological Exuberance is a well-researched, thoroughly scientific, and erudite look at a purposefully neglected frontier of zoology. --Therese Littleton


    From Publishers Weekly
    A brilliant and important exercise in exposing the limitations of received opinion, this book presents to the lay reader and specialist alike an exhaustively argued case that animals have multiple shades of sexual orientation. The book is broken into two sections, the second containing species "portraits" detailing recorded homosexual/transgendered behaviors. The main portion of the book sets out to reveal and, indeed, revel in the documented evidence to date that some 450 species engage in both sustained and occasional "gay," "lesbian" and transgendered pairing, parenting and play. Animals (both heterosexual and homosexual) also rape and divorce, commit "child" abuse and infidelity and can be lifelong celibates. Human claims to uniqueness in this arena are shown to be increasingly difficult to maintain. The overall effect is to detonate the myth that animals are solely driven by heterosexual reproductive urges, as Bagemihl, a biologist, amasses evidence with case study after case study of species ranging from whiptail lizards to bottlenose dolphins, flamingoes, vampire bats and giraffes. But his book offers more than a zoological laundry list. Biologists who have long classified these behaviors as taking place only in "abnormal" conditions or as "pseudo-copulation," "mistakes," "practicing" and domineering sexual bullying are frequently shown to be willfully ignoring behavior that does not reflect their own worldview or accepted scientific thought. What might so easily have turned into a tub-thumping activist tract hitched to the need for acceptance of homosexuality among humans is instead elevated to a hugely inclusive, celebratory biological interpretation of the world. Bagemihl convincingly overturns previous inviolable "truths" that scarcity and functionality are the prime agents of biological change, and advances instead the idea that abundance and extravagance?"biological exuberance"?are just as crucial to the mosaic of life. Numerous illustrations by John Megahan.
    Copyright 1998 Reed Business Information, Inc.
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    Apr 21, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
    I'm pretty sure we knew swans are gay way before this.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:06 AM GMT
    I thought I saw a swan checking me out the other day......this explains everything.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:17 AM GMT
    makavelli saidAre there instances of gay animal couples adopting or otherwise taking care of other's offspring... sort of in corroboration of the theory that that's what evolution has in store for gays?


    Yes,

    New York zoo provided an egg to two male penguins who raised a chick together. i do remember reading that they returned to hetero relationships a couple of years later (something that fox was sure to embellish), but they were monogamous for four or five years.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    Ladybugs are gay roaches. No no, roaches in drag! icon_wink.gif
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:20 AM GMT
    I'm just waiting to hear what the new definition of "swan dive" means.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    This is all very interesting, but it's worth noting that observing gender non-conforming behavior in nature has nothing to say about such behavior in humans.

    Worse, it perpetuates the ill-conceived argument that what is "natural" is somehow a model for human society, when in reality the reverse is true: human society is the model for how we perceive nature.

    So do not use biological arguments to justify your own legitimacy. They are inherently flawed and their use only proliferates a fallacy.
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    Apr 21, 2010 7:09 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidThis is all very interesting, but it's worth noting that observing gender non-conforming behavior in nature has nothing to say about such behavior in humans.

    Worse, it perpetuates the ill-conceived argument that what is "natural" is somehow a model for human society, when in reality the reverse is true: human society is the model for how we perceive nature.

    So do not use biological arguments to justify your own legitimacy. They are inherently flawed and their use only proliferates a fallacy.

    I'm sure this is terribly intelligent, but I didn't understand a word of it. Anyone else with me?
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    Apr 21, 2010 9:35 PM GMT
    Human society is the model for how we percieve nature? That is a perception and it is not necessarily true. The fact is that homosexuality is not unnatural. It exists in nature and human society has to acknowledge this fact rather than trying to ignore it and covering it up with its own so-called perceptions of nature.
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    Apr 22, 2010 6:08 AM GMT
    Well society has a way of downplaying certain aspects of nature, giving rise to things like Catholic guilt and laws against certain things.

    But it's not entirely in line with morality. When two men love, they do no harm, there is no immorality.

    Because it happens in nature isn't a model for human society but our rejection of nature isn't the answer either.