Do you believe in the Gay gene?

  • sportsjockla

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    Apr 20, 2010 10:06 PM GMT
    I come from a fairly large family. I have a lot of cousins. I believe there is a gay gene in my family and I can't be the only one. I can't figure out who else in my family would be until this weekend. My first cousin has a 10 yr old son. I was watching his mannerisms and just the way he acted towards me. I believe in a few years, he is going to come out. Probably by the time he is 16 or so.

    Do you feel the same way? Do you think there is a gay gene in your family?
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    Apr 20, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
    I've been thinking for years that it might be hereditary, and that scientists probably would not admit it if it were.
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    Apr 21, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    I was reading somewhere about the effects of hormones in-utero having a permanent effect on the sexual development on a child and that's what leads them to being gay. I know there's evidence suggesting that it might be hereditary, but there isn't any conclusive evidence to say that it definitely is the case. That's what I've been told.
  • Timbales

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    Apr 21, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    no, I do not believe in the gay gene
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    Apr 21, 2010 1:17 AM GMT
    sportsjockla saidDo you think there is a gay gene in your family?


    I ran across a profile of my cousin on here. Other than that I would say I think my father and brother are gay but will never let it out.

    It could be pure coincidence or a gene, Idk.
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    Apr 21, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    I think there's something wrong with men in my dads side of the family as far as this is concered lots of closeted men, also an out cousin, and a weurd nephew in the making, they are all also not very strong in their religious beliefs, could be a gay demon influence thats causing all this rather then genes.
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    Apr 21, 2010 2:45 AM GMT

    I agree more with SoulAsphyx in that it has less to do with genetics and more-so birth order/hormones (specifically prenatal)

    i am one of 4 children in my family. I have an older brother and sister and a younger brother. I'm the only gay one of the lot.

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    Apr 21, 2010 2:51 AM GMT
    I believe the "gay gene" exists in some people, but I also think that not every gay person is gay due to the same factors. I find it funny how scientists try to search for that ONE thing that makes us all gay. In reality, there could be different reasons why different people are gay. It could be the gay gene for someone, hormonal interaction in utero for others, or something completely different. I don't think we'll ever fully understand.
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    Apr 21, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    I believe in the gay genes. Sexuality is a complex trait that must be governed by more than one.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:12 PM GMT
    If it was predominantly hormonal, would they classify homosexual attraction as an imbalance of hormones? And can't you regulate your hormones with drugs? I didn't think that hormones can permanently alter you.
    With male to female transsexuals, their sexual identity and orientation is already in place when they're born (as with most of us I tend to think) and most take estrogen to physically alter their appearance with no effect on their orientation. If they stop taking estrogen, won't their body go back to regulating testosterone at the normal levels?

    Behaviour and sexual attraction aren't mutually exclusive which explains why some guys are more "butch" than others but is the issue really about having that part of your brain that's wired feminine and its cause?

    I think it's genetic but hormones trigger the genes to cause an indifferent sexuality if that makes any sense.

    With that video Davis put up, has anyone looked at if female animals do the same ""attack the male" thing in the womb as it does to humans? I must of beat some vegas odds 'cos I'm the eldest of 4 and I'm the one that turned out gay. Awesome! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    if there is a gay gene, there must be a straight gene. i don't see anyone trying to find the straight gene.

    using genetics to find what causes homosexuality is based in the idea that being gay is a "flaw", like down's syndrome, Sickel cell, cystic fibrosis, etc., and can eventually be reversed. this is why there is no search for a straight gene...that is considered "normal."

    i have no idea whether there is a gay gene or not...even if there were, who cares? it won't convince the religio-paths that being gay is okay...they'll just see it as a disease you have to live with.

    i'm gay. i don't know why.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    I believe it's hereditary. My family is quite large as well. And what we know thus far... I'm gay, my mother is gay, one aunt is gay, and two cousins (2nd and 3rd) are gay. We're doing the best we can to populate the community.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    as I have gotten older, I have become more and more interested in this subject. I agree with a couple of the above posts. I think there are a variety of factors that can make someone gay, not just a "gay gene", or lack of hormones during prenatal development, i think there are more factors at play. I also think there are "less intense" ways for a person to interpret their sexuality as gay. think about how different each person's own visual perception is? the color red in the real JOCK logo may appear be a deeper red to some, or a lighter red to others. to some, it may look more orange. everyone's perception is different, and that's just color.

    check out some evolutionary psychology blogs, there's a lot of really interesting articles written about this!

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/gender

  • tokoroten

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    Apr 21, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    sportsjockla saidI come from a fairly large family. I have a lot of cousins. I believe there is a gay gene in my family and I can't be the only one. I can't figure out who else in my family would be until this weekend. My first cousin has a 10 yr old son. I was watching his mannerisms and just the way he acted towards me. I believe in a few years, he is going to come out. Probably by the time he is 16 or so.

    Do you feel the same way? Do you think there is a gay gene in your family?


    It runs in families, definitely...
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    Yep...but I think there are several genes that come into play. I also think that one of the genes in that combo is carried in the mother, hence the 4 X normal levels of testosterone observed in amniocentesis.

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    Apr 21, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    jim_e saidIf it was predominantly hormonal, would they classify homosexual attraction as an imbalance of hormones? And can't you regulate your hormones with drugs? I didn't think that hormones can permanently alter you.
    With male to female transsexuals, their sexual identity and orientation is already in place when they're born (as with most of us I tend to think) and most take estrogen to physically alter their appearance with no effect on their orientation. If they stop taking estrogen, won't their body go back to regulating testosterone at the normal levels?

    Behaviour and sexual attraction aren't mutually exclusive which explains why some guys are more "butch" than others but is the issue really about having that part of your brain that's wired feminine and its cause?

    I think it's genetic but hormones trigger the genes to cause an indifferent sexuality if that makes any sense.

    With that video Davis put up, has anyone looked at if female animals do the same ""attack the male" thing in the womb as it does to humans? I must of beat some vegas odds 'cos I'm the eldest of 4 and I'm the one that turned out gay. Awesome! icon_biggrin.gif


    Hormones themselves are the expression of developmental genes. In utero, they're part of what cause your body to develop from a zygote to an embryo to a fetus and so on.

    The point being that certain hormones exposed to you at certain points in your development cause a long term effect on the kind of person you become. This is why it's important for people to have the correct hormonal balance in childhood for their maturation rates. While still a fetus the hormones level and kind of hormones you are exposed to affects the basic structure that your brain will take.

    It should be clarified that it's unlikely that there is a gay "gene" but rather, set of genes if anything. It's also true that there are wealth of other explanations, such as epigenetics, which are at least as valid. Currently the birth order hypothesis is what is favored.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    I don't think there is any one gay gene but rather a collection of genetic "tendencies" combined with prenatal environment.

    Some will say that genes doesn't play a role because identical twins are not always the same orientation and they have identical genes .. that is actually not true. Even identical twins are not really identical .. they have copy variations
    http://geneticsevolution.suite101.com/article.cfm/common_misconceptions_in_genetics

    All in all I think Homosexuality is a brain development issue and that some people are more disposed to Homosexual tendencies than others. That is why you can have different degrees of sexual orientation like bisexuality and so forth.

    P.S. The same goes for masculine vs.feminine
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    rangard saidif there is a gay gene, there must be a straight gene. i don't see anyone trying to find the straight gene.

    using genetics to find what causes homosexuality is based in the idea that being gay is a "flaw", like down's syndrome, Sickel cell, cystic fibrosis, etc., and can eventually be reversed. this is why there is no search for a straight gene...that is considered "normal."

    i have no idea whether there is a gay gene or not...even if there were, who cares? it won't convince the religio-paths that being gay is okay...they'll just see it as a disease you have to live with.

    i'm gay. i don't know why.


    ... i understand your bitterness at how science approaches studying homosexuality, but at least it isn't classified as a mental disorder anymore! we are making some progress! and really, i don't think most reputable science & psychology studies these days are trying to float the "being gay is a flaw" idea anymore, i think they more so equate being gay with random traits like being left handed, or short, etc. something that is not a FLAW, but does not exactly embody all the traits best for natural selection. i'm sure over the next 10 years science and evolutionary psychology will provide us with more answers

    also, in the next 10 years, or maybe 20, expect the fall of organized religion, so it won't matter what the religo-paths or jesus freaks think about homosexuality anymore. did you know that the construction of the Vatican was financed by the Catholic church selling people pieces of paper that absolve them of their sins? one word for organized religion = bullshit icon_biggrin.gif

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    Apr 21, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    Yes, I surely do...and the tighter, the better... icon_lol.gif

    Oh, you said GENES... never mind...
    One would think, that thru discovery in this highly advanced field of genetic research, that it could be traceable. BUT, if it is... it surely missed a few generations in MY family. I come from HUGE family..and the men out number the women three to one..and to the best of my knowledge, I am the only gay man in at least three generations... at least openly gay.
    If there any closet cases in my family...they've never even peeked out of their doors!
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
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    sportsjockla saidI come from a fairly large family. I have a lot of cousins. I believe there is a gay gene in my family and I can't be the only one. I can't figure out who else in my family would be until this weekend. My first cousin has a 10 yr old son. I was watching his mannerisms and just the way he acted towards me. I believe in a few years, he is going to come out. Probably by the time he is 16 or so.

    Do you feel the same way? Do you think there is a gay gene in your family?


    It runs in families, definitely...


    yeah, everyone's. LOL
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    I honestly don't know, but I'm willing to believe. After all, it's the only explanation I can give for why I am gay. There was no choice to be made except to accept that as a fact about myself.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
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    rangard saidif there is a gay gene, there must be a straight gene. i don't see anyone trying to find the straight gene.

    using genetics to find what causes homosexuality is based in the idea that being gay is a "flaw", like down's syndrome, Sickel cell, cystic fibrosis, etc., and can eventually be reversed. this is why there is no search for a straight gene...that is considered "normal."

    i have no idea whether there is a gay gene or not...even if there were, who cares? it won't convince the religio-paths that being gay is okay...they'll just see it as a disease you have to live with.

    i'm gay. i don't know why.


    ... i understand your bitterness at how science approaches studying homosexuality, but at least it isn't classified as a mental disorder anymore! we are making some progress! and really, i don't think most reputable science & psychology studies these days are trying to float the "being gay is a flaw" idea anymore, i think they more so equate being gay with random traits like being left handed, or short, etc. something that is not a FLAW, but does not exactly embody all the traits best for natural selection. i'm sure over the next 10 years science and evolutionary psychology will provide us with more answers

    also, in the next 10 years, or maybe 20, expect the fall of organized religion, so it won't matter what the religo-paths or jesus freaks think about homosexuality anymore. did you know that the construction of the Vatican was financed by the Catholic church selling people pieces of paper that absolve them of their sins? one word for organized religion = bullshit icon_biggrin.gif



    not "bitter," but definitely "suspicious" for the reason i mentioned: the search for the gay gene is too specific...why not look for a sexual preference gene which would include straight and gay and maybe "bi," "bi-curious," transgendered, and celibate. but it's not.

    and while i have assumed science is merely looking for the "anomaly" that is the gay gene, i think most critics of the lifestyle are hoping to find one...especially absent any finding of a straight gene. in other words, to the general population, a gay gene will point to us as mutants...and not the X-men type...more like lepers who can be outed before they exit the womb.

    i agree that organized religion is on the way out...the sooner the better.
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    Apr 21, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    If one accepts that they are biological creatures than the simple answer is YES! When natural biology is replaced with engineered biology then a new race of being will exist without the charaterisitcs which make us humane and unique. Hitler's dream coming to a house near you; soon!!!
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    Apr 21, 2010 8:54 PM GMT
    As a caveat, believe virtually no claims of a "gene for X" made in the popular press. Most traits are complex, involving many different genes and complicated interactions with the environment. Eye color, for example, has at least 3 genes affecting it, each with multiple alleles, and is not the simple 1 gene 3 allele model most of us learned in high school biology. Even traits where there's a single gene underlying it -- sickle cell, Huntington's, Phenylketonuria, etc. -- there is both an environmental component, and the "gene for X" is actually a gene that is supposed to do something else entirely, but when it malfunctions it leads to X. For example, people with PKU can't digest phenylalanine, which builds up to toxic levels in developing neurons. By having a restrictive diet which avoids phenylalanine through childhood and adolescence, virtually all of the mental problems associated with PKU are avoided. The PKU gene isn't there to give someone mental problems; it is a version of the gene to digest phenylalanine which doesn't work properly, which therefore can lead to mental problems.

    From the scientific literature on homosexuality, the greatest statistical support is for an influence of maternal hormones. Specifically, the probability that a given male fetus will develop into a gay man increases with the number of previous male pregnancies that the gestational mother has carried, regardless of whether those males are alive or in the household where the baby that this particular fetus will become is raised. No such link has been found with probability that a given female fetus will develop into a lesbian. It is theorized that previous male pregnancies trigger a low grade immune reaction in the gestational mother toward testosterone and other androgens -- which end up in higher concentrations in a woman pregnant with a male than she'll have at other times in her life -- and that this immune response and/or her own endocrine reaction to the circulating male hormone levels ends up influencing the brain architecture of the fetus/embryo (depending on when in gestation it occurs).

    This is among the best examples of how something can be inborn, biological, and not genetic. Both the genetic children of homosexual individuals, and the children adopted by homosexual individuals, are no more likely to be homosexual as adults than is the general population. The greatest statistically significant difference is in their self-identification as queer during their teens and early 20s, which is most likely the result of not staying in the closet for fear of parental rejection; by the mid 20s, the difference is no longer significant (last time I looked at the data).

    A much weaker line of evidence points to the possibility of genetic influence of a particular region of the X chromosome, specifically regions Xq28. However, whether or not this region is statistically significant is borderline -- it's right on the standard threshold genetic researchers use for significance in searching for genetic regions influencing a trait. Interesting to note: this region is on the X chromosome. Thus, if it does have an effect, you would expect to have more gay relatives on your mother's side of the family than on your father's, as your X chromosome came from your mom, not your dad (assuming you are genetically male).

    As for me: no known blood relatives are gay. The relatives I am aware of who are gay are all relatives by marriage -- one of my mother's cousin's brothers-in-law, for example. But, I am just one person, and thus an anecdote. To understand what's really going on, we need very large sample sizes, and ones free of bias from self-selection in reporting.
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    Apr 21, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    well i have 2 gay cousins & one deep in th closet uncle...so maybe it is :i


    should they fix it? >.> I kid