USA Is (Not) #1

  • metta

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    Apr 21, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    USA Is (Not) #1

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    Apr 21, 2010 4:36 PM GMT
    metta8 saidUSA Is (Not) #1

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    pfffft, like im supposed to believe some goofy cartoon image with statistics on it ?!?!

    USA USA USA!!!!!
    git r' done!!!!
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    Apr 21, 2010 4:40 PM GMT
    The only one I don't get is the mobile phones per capita. I mean the assumption that more is better. I would have thought the opposite.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:42 PM GMT
    Iceland does remarkably well for a country that is completely bankrupt and in the middle of an ongoing national disaster. Likewise, the scandinavian countries always do very well on social issues but suffer mightily from high rates of alcoholism. San Marino is a city state inside of Italy. The population is so small that one old woman can skew the whole statistical picture.

    Anyway, the whole picture is kind of silly.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:45 PM GMT
    I'd love to see the list of things where we ARE number one.
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:49 PM GMT
    explain to me how Democracy and Freedom of the Press have been rated.
  • Celticmusl

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    Apr 21, 2010 5:52 PM GMT
    jaydub saidI'd love to see the list of things where we ARE number one.


    McDonald's restaurants and Starbuck's coffee shops per capita....

    Fake RJ profiles per capita...

    Really this list goes on...
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    Apr 21, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
    USArmyMutt saidexplain to me how Democracy and Freedom of the Press have been rated.


    You can go to the link and it has citations.
  • JayDT

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    Apr 21, 2010 6:17 PM GMT
    The French do have an amazing Health Care system.
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    Apr 21, 2010 6:22 PM GMT
    jaydub saidI'd love to see the list of things where we ARE number one.


    Over-throwing foreign leaders without the consensus and support of the majority of the Free World?
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    Apr 21, 2010 6:47 PM GMT
    jaydub saidI'd love to see the list of things where we ARE number one.


    Supporting dictatorships in the Third World.
    Poisoning the atmosphere with greenhouse gases (oh, right, we are now number 2 behind China).
    Prison population per capita.
    Not believing in evolution (at least in the developed world).
    Jesus freaks.



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    Apr 21, 2010 6:49 PM GMT
    You just can't not start shit, huh metta8?
  • KissTheSky

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    Apr 21, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    Apparently we're number 1 in gun violence. That should count for something, right? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • trl_

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    Apr 21, 2010 6:53 PM GMT
    I'm really surprised Israel is not in the top three in quality of healthcare.
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    Apr 21, 2010 6:55 PM GMT
    Get the hell out of the country then
  • Delivis

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    Apr 21, 2010 6:55 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidYou just can't not start shit, huh metta8?


    You must admit, Americans do have a tendancy to have enthusiasm about how great their country is that is at least sometimes vastly out of proportion with how well they do on dozens of metrics on societal health.
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    Apr 21, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    We are the reason the rest of the world has freedom....that's all that matters...

    sources: See World War 2...without the USA everyone in Europe might have been under Hitler rule, and everyone west of the US would have been under imperial Japan rule....

    That's why I have pride in my country and my countrymen that came before me...I really don't understand people that bash their own country- have a little pride or shut up
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Apr 21, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    it's sad.icon_sad.gif For all the rhetoric I hear everyday from the likes of Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh... I wonder if they are all of a sudden an experts on this too??? icon_neutral.gif Knowing them, they'll say it's a "conspiracy"
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    Apr 21, 2010 7:04 PM GMT
    Move then.
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    Apr 21, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
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    From Publishers Weekly
    As this strained defense of American power acknowledges, America's international hegemony lacks the conventional hallmarks of government, like a monopoly of force, the power to tax and legislate, and the explicit consent of the governed. But it does, the author contends, furnish "public goods" to "free riders" in an ungrateful world that likes to gripe about American domination while tacitly welcoming it. U.S. troops abroad act as a "public health service" forestalling outbreaks of war and nuclear proliferation, and as a "pest control service" against rogue regimes. America safeguards the world's oil supply, like a public energy utility. The dollar is the world's reserve currency, and Washington organizes bailouts of bankrupt countries and promotes free trade, benefiting all. Even the huge U.S. trade deficits are a kind of global Keynesian stimulus policy, with the American shopper serving as the world's "consumer of last resort." Mandelbaum—an international relations professor, Newsday columnist and author of The Ideas that Conquered the World—deploys the world-government analogy less as an analytical principle than as an apologia. His anodyne language of government service portrays America's international initiatives as principled, systematic and benevolent, rather than ad hoc, erratic and driven by domestic interests. The result is a euphemistic picture of the underlying motives and controversial effects of American foreign relations. (Jan.)



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    Amazon.com Review
    Book Description
    "This is not a book about the decline of America, but rather about the rise of everyone else." So begins Fareed Zakaria's important new work on the era we are now entering. Following on the success of his best-selling The Future of Freedom, Zakaria describes with equal prescience a world in which the United States will no longer dominate the global economy, orchestrate geopolitics, or overwhelm cultures. He sees the "rise of the rest"—the growth of countries like China, India, Brazil, Russia, and many others—as the great story of our time, and one that will reshape the world. The tallest buildings, biggest dams, largest-selling movies, and most advanced cell phones are all being built outside the United States. This economic growth is producing political confidence, national pride, and potentially international problems. How should the United States understand and thrive in this rapidly changing international climate? What does it mean to live in a truly global era? Zakaria answers these questions with his customary lucidity, insight, and imagination.
  • Delivis

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    Apr 21, 2010 7:16 PM GMT
    trumper1122 saidWe are the reason the rest of the world has freedom....that's all that matters...

    sources: See World War 2...without the USA everyone in Europe might have been under Hitler rule, and everyone west of the US would have been under imperial Japan rule....

    That's why I have pride in my country and my countrymen that came before me...I really don't understand people that bash their own country- have a little pride or shut up


    No, sorry. You, and by you i mean the USA, are not THE reason that world has freedom. Firstly large parts of the world do not have freedom. Secondly your country is far from the only one that fights for freedom or espouses views of freedom.

    I have great social solidarity with any person or group of people, including countries, that espouse and fight for more democracy, freedom of speech, human rights, etc.

    What I dont do is abnoxiously yell from the rooftops that my country is better than everyone else in ways that it is far from. That is the only thing that is being critiqued. Though I am no fan of patriotisim I would point out that there is nothing unpatriotic about pointing about flaws or hypocrisy within one's own country. That is not "bashing one's country"necessarily. It is criticism, hopefully aimed at improvement.
  • Delivis

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    Apr 21, 2010 7:28 PM GMT
    For some reason I am reminded of the last minute or two of this Dan Savage clip..icon_smile.gif

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAfnsSOMV8&feature=channel
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    Apr 21, 2010 7:29 PM GMT
    Delivis said

    No, sorry. You, and by you i mean the USA, are not THE reason that world has freedom.


    you need to do some catching up on your history bud- Every historian and their mother agrees that if the US had not come to the rescue of Europe that most likely Hitler and Mussolini would have taken Europe and then concentrated on other parts of the world before turning on the US. In the same manner, Australia, China, and many other Pacific nations were under serious seige by the Empire of Japan, and most historians also agree that the US is by and large the reason the Japanese fell (mainly because of the use of the A-bomb and a few other tactical strategies employed by the Americans in WW2).

    So by and large the world would be a completly different picture than it is today had it not been for American forces in WW2. That is not to discredit any French, British, Aussie, Russian, or other troops that fought along with the US, but by and large the US influx helped to turn the tide of the war.

    If you think the world would have been more free than it is today under the rule of Hitler, Mussolini, and the powers that were in Japan- then you are right- the US is not the reason the world has freedom today...but if you thought that- then I would say you need to get your head checked.

    This post was entirely meant to slander the USA, no one in the forum has "stood atop their roofs" and shouted about how great the US is, rather people have been pointing out why they strongly dislike the USA- and I would just like to point out that you all owe the ability to post things like this to our brave soldiers like the ones who rid the world of tyranny in WW2 and continue to do so.

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    Apr 21, 2010 7:38 PM GMT
    The story with freedom of the press in Iceland has been really interesting. These laws are all very new, coming about after the financial collapse of the country. It seems that there was an enormous amount of political pressure coming through the banking and political systems on the Icelandic press. This contributed to the cover up of the massive liquidity problems that led to the economic collapse of the country.

    One of the things that they have conceived, in the aftermath, is to make Iceland into a safe-haven country for press freedom. They see it as essentially being like a fiscal paradise for the press. Thus they create laws that protect press based in Iceland from prosecution anywhere in the world.

    The idea is radically advanced, but it certainly has not been put to much of a test yet. It really isn't fair to say that Iceland actually has these press freedoms at the present time.


    USArmyMutt saidexplain to me how Democracy and Freedom of the Press have been rated.
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    Apr 21, 2010 7:44 PM GMT

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