Softball team disqualified for not being gay enough

  • NashRugger

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    Apr 22, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
    Is it just me or is NAGAA digging themselves a deeper hole?

    http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/04/gay_softball_team_disqualified.php

    Think discrimination is just for the straights? Then allow us to tell you the story of the Gay Softball Team That Wasn't Gay Enough.

    In 2008, a San Francisco softball team came to Seattle to compete in the Gay Softball World Series. The team, named D2, made it all the way to the championship game. And that's when people started asking questions. No, literally. In the middle of the game.

    Now the players are suing. And that means DE-TAILS!
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    Apr 22, 2010 8:24 PM GMT
    Make the link clickable, USH.
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    Apr 22, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    For NAGAA you are only allowed to have two straight players per team. It supposed to be a gay league to promote community. It comes up every season. I always wondered how they would prove who is and isn't or how bisexuals factor in... but really this is the least of NAGAA's problems. The whole board is wasting money every year. There are a lot of people disgruntled with them.
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    Apr 22, 2010 11:58 PM GMT
    We have the same issue in CMSA here in Chicago. Part of me thinks, "Hey - if straight people are comfortable enough to hang out with a bunch of gay people, welcome them with open arms. We'd be hypocritical to turn them away." On the other hand, the one 'straight' team in my all-gay, 180-person bowling league is a bitchy, borderline-homophobic group of people who are only there because it's that league or no league. We do want them to leave, not because they're straight, but because they're narrow.

    Gays with power often times love nothing more than wielding it - especially over straight people - and it sounds like sour grapes to me. Why didn't they kick them out before they took 2nd place?
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    Apr 23, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    Couldn't the straight guys just.......you know....take one for the team icon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 23, 2010 2:28 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidCouldn't the straight guys just.......you know....take one for the team icon_twisted.gif



    This is a really constructive idea, I think. icon_biggrin.gif
  • calibro

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    Apr 23, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    but they weren't even straight, the men in question were bisexual
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    Apr 23, 2010 3:40 AM GMT
    Wow. You'd think they would have by-laws prohibiting bisexual men if they were that serious. And by doing so I imagine alienating a large amount of gay people.

    Seems a very unfortunate decision to make, which doesn't really preach tolerance... I hope they come to their senses...
  • Delivis

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    Apr 23, 2010 3:40 AM GMT
    This is why things like "gay softball league" is a profoundly stupid idea, it seems to me. Seems just as silly as someone starting an explicitly straight sports team. Someone's sexual orientation should really not be what you build a sports team around.
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    Apr 23, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    Delivis> Someone's sexual orientation should really not be what you build a sports team around.

    Why limit that to sports?
    Should we also disband gay book clubs?
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    Apr 23, 2010 4:01 AM GMT
    Wholly gay teams do offer a safe place for guys and girls to be openly gay in their sporting endeavours, usually ofering a larger social aspect as well.

    So I don't discount them.

    But they also shoudln't discriminate when straight people want to play in their teams. It fosters understanding and support.

    I mean, unless there is a large cash prize or some other extrinsic benefit, why would straight people join the teams unless they were wanting to do so under their own volition without benefit?!
  • BuckeyeJock13

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    Apr 23, 2010 5:06 AM GMT
    calibro saidbut they weren't even straight, the men in question were bisexual


    From what I heard, the men did not claim bisexuality 2 years ago when this happened. This only appeared now when a lawsuit was filed. The concern was a team brought a bunch of ringers to a gay athletic event.

    I also understand there are some who question why you have gay softball or any other gay event. I disagree...events like this are a great way to bring the community together and foster new friendships. If you have not taken part in a gay athletic event, think about doing so.

    There are others who say this only serves to show gays can't compete against heterosexuals. Well considering what 90% of men identify as heterosexual, we are a minority and in that sense we can't compete equally. I don't believe this is disrespectful. It simply recognizes the reality of the percentages. The no more then 2 heterosexual men rule for the world series is there to ensure the idea of a "GAY World Series" remains what it should. It's not hard to imagine cities sending teams that are majority heterosexual because they want to win. And again, yes the reality is by simple percentages, you could most likely send one hell of a majority heterosexual team that could win. Then the purpose of a gay athletic event is lost.

    I think the situation could have been handled better, but this is unchartered waters.
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    Apr 23, 2010 7:44 AM GMT
    I play in the SFGSL, San Francisco gay Softball league that had the D2 team. When the players learned about this last year we were pissed off. The whole idea of limiting to two straight players on a team is pure NAGAA policy in the gay world series. They state that they don't want "ringers" aka better straight players to win the championship. I recently sent them a letter stating the following:

    "Commissioner Malani and board members of NAGAA,

    I am ashamed to be a part of NAGAA, and that the SFGSL is a part of NAGAA. I was ashamed last year when I heard about D2's disqualification, from second place in the world series. I am petitioning you to change your unjust policy that discriminates against our straight allies that have no problem playing with gay guys and gals.

    I was going to ask my best friend to play with me, he is straight, but I guess I can't. I know the whole rhetoric about stacking teams with "ringers" and such. Well, that is what ratings are for, aren't they? So that argument is mute.

    Gay men love playing softball in San Francisco and having our straight male friends and allies playing along side us is an awesome achievement. You say in the article that this is the "Gay world series" not the bisexual world series, well if that is the case then no one but Gay people should be playing instead you allow two per team. Your hypocrisy is astounding and unjust! I used to be proud to play for an organization that respected diversity and allowed all to join, I was wrong.

    An Ashamed player
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    Apr 23, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
    runnersjock> events like this are a great way to bring the community together and foster new friendships. If you have not taken part in a gay athletic event, think about doing so.

    Definitely!


    runnersjock> by simple percentages, you could most likely send one hell of a majority heterosexual team that could win. Then the purpose of a gay athletic event is lost.

    That's a good point, too. Just like with dating, we have a pool that is 10+x smaller. It's a lot easier to find a str8 quarterback than a gay one (apply within!). So if I were to build a team strictly based on talent, it's no surprise that it'd be 90-99% straight. And why bring that team to a gay tournament other than to win?

    On the other hand, as emsman mentions, there are friends and allies who are just out to have a good time. Not "ringers". Why not let them in on the fun?

    I guess that's where the 2-person limit comes in, so maybe it's not hypocrisy?

    As an aside, there is always going to be a disparity in talent in gay sports. The big cities and gay destinations have a much larger pool from which to choose. In football, I've heard that some cities hold try-outs and send an "all-star" team of their best 15 players. Here in Michigan, we have a hard time coming up with 15 players....
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    Apr 23, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
    I hope these players win, and nail the NAGAA, and not in a nice way. icon_twisted.gif
  • tennsjock

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    Apr 24, 2010 6:19 AM GMT
    After each player was interrogated, a panel voted on whether he was "gay" or "non-gay."
    I didn't know sexual orientation was up to majority rule!

    * Legality - SouthBeach, you're probably correct. Just like the Boy Scouts, the NAGAAA (assuming it's private) has the right to exclude/include whoever they choose. I think the question this forum is asking, though, is not a legal one but a moral one. Is it right that they exclude straight people / deem themselves capable of ruling on someone's sexual orientation?

    * Why gay sports? - Delivis, it's a way to bring the community together and meet other gay people who share common interests outside of the bars. You might as well ask, "Why a gay fitness and health website like RealJock?"

    * Is it right? No. The Gay Games doesn't require a gay card to compete, nor should they. We should applaud straight people who are willing to support the gay community.

    On a personal note, one of my greatest pleasures is kicking the crap out of straight people on the tennis court. Might as well give them the opportunity in softball!
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    Apr 24, 2010 7:05 AM GMT
    "interrogated" - seriously? How does that work?

    "Hey you, give me a blow job"

    "No"

    "Not gay enough, DQ-ed"