WHY is the USA ...STILL...waging war in the sand dunes???

  • rnch

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    Apr 23, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
    WHY??


    didn't we learn ANYTHING from viet nam?


    Didn't our President promise to withdraw our troops if he was elected?
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    Apr 23, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
    What are you talking about?
    There’s a war going on?
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:23 PM GMT
    Yeah, the thing I liked best about Obama was a deadline on the war.

    Blinded by sweet, sweet lies! icon_biggrin.gif My parents pulled those on me all the time when I was younger, should have seen it coming, lol
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:35 PM GMT
    one reason i dont get involved with politics, they only want to say what you want to hear, but when it comes down to iticon_rolleyes.gif
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:36 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidcatdunecatlgdk2.jpg


    This is the best LMFAO
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    OIL
  • roadbikeRob

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    Apr 23, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    If we were to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan, how would the wealthy defense contractors continue to fatten their already obscene corporate profits? icon_question.gif
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    Dragoonxi saidYeah, the thing I liked best about Obama was a deadline on the war.

    Blinded by sweet, sweet lies! icon_biggrin.gif My parents pulled those on me all the time when I was younger, should have seen it coming, lol


    I think the bigger question you should ask yourself is... why did you believe that a politican could promise a deadline for getting out of a war? Deadlines don't really work in war unless it's backed by the military brass-heads... and yet there are still too many variables.

    The Middle East was fucked up before we got there--not much has changed. The question we need to ask... 'Is setting a deadline going to do more harm to the region?'
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    There isn't a war going on in Iraq, its more like the after effects of war. There are incidents here and there that pop up, but its not war.

    Afghanistan is a different story, and the war everyone agreed with. It became a mess when a lot of guys got pulled out of there, to go into Iraq.
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidOIL


    Nah would have had that already, like after 03.
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidOIL

    WRESTLING
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    Apr 23, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
    Because as long as men have dicks, there will always be pissing contests and size-queens. We should castrate or at least incapacitate our Politicians sex organs when they are elected office..then we'll see what gets done.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Apr 23, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    We are out there to eliminate terrorist elements like Al Qaeda and Taliban and spread democracy. Terrorist factions like Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, Al Qaeda in Iraq, Taliban, Tariq-I-Taliban Pakistan, and the Haqqani Network all have the resources, training, and divine will to take over as the governing body of their respective countries. Pakistan is a nuclear power. If Pakistan's Gov were to be crushed and their nukes taken, then what? Terrorist have launched large scale suicide attacks in SW Asia, UK and US. What if they set off a nuke in Mumbai, London, NY, Paris??? The death tole would be unspeakable. It is absolutely essential that legitimate governments be established and or fostered in countries like Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Otherwise terrorists will have safe havens to grow and train their forces in order to terrorize the nonbelievers. I'm not here to argue. Just giving a legitimate and verifiable explanation for why we are doing what we're doing. If you don't believe, that's ok. The military will still protect you icon_wink.gif
  • Thaer

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    Apr 23, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    Well I’ll go with oil … not because the us need the oil now … but in 20years ,,, the only countries that will still have oil reserves is Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar. Keep in mind that within the next 10 years Mexico oil reserve will almost be zero and Canada oil is extremely hard to extract.
    The problem is that if the US left today there is a big possibility that these countries will stop dealing with the Us … because Russia, China and EU are right now penetrating heavily these markets and the rest of the Middle East…. Specially that these countries didn’t launch any wars against other Middle Eastern countries and didn't they threat any new countries around here…. Although allot them actually support Israel … yet they try to be less obvious about it and don’t help it military wise. In addition the oil reserves in Russia, China and EU is estimated to last for another 10 years.. just today Russia signed a new trade agreement with the GCC to establish a more stronger economic alliance in addition when the silk road is complete the there will be a permanent connection between the east and GCC and the rest of the middle east.




  • Thaer

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    Apr 23, 2010 11:24 PM GMT
    For the democracy and fighting terrorist part …. Well I doubt it .. And I’ve never met anyone here that actually believe this .. simply because you can’t support the enemy and in the same time try to convince the people here that you actually care about them…. While I have no problem with the Us supporting Israel … but it can’t at the same time say that it want peace in the rest of middle eastern countries.
    If a group of Neo-Nazi started to kill Americans in the Us …. I don’t think the Americans will trust the Chinese when they say we are going to help you … nobody can play it on both sides .. it’s either you take one of them and stick with it or you just stay neutral.
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    Apr 23, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    When at war you should never set a public date for withdrawl. Any moron knows this.
  • coolarmydude

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    Apr 23, 2010 11:38 PM GMT
    I think we're positioning for an inevitable war with Iran.

    The nuke deal was to prepare for this. We also asked France to increase their troop strength in Afghanistan by 1500, all to serve in the western part of Afghanistan where there is no current action.

    The current Iraq and Afghanistan postures are about containing Iran.

    It's inevitable.
  • rnch

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    Apr 23, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    PAstud21 saidWhen at war you should never set a public date for withdrawl. Any moron knows this.
    including the moron who got us involved there to begin with?
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Apr 23, 2010 11:49 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI think we're positioning for an inevitable war with Iran.

    The nuke deal was to prepare for this. We also asked France to increase their troop strength in Afghanistan by 1500, all to serve in the western part of Afghanistan where there is no current action.

    The current Iraq and Afghanistan postures are about containing Iran.

    It's inevitable.

    Agreed. It certainly gives us a tactical advantage, but I wonder what Iran's relationship with the Saudis is like? I'm thinking that they would not intervene, if worse came to worse, but I'll admit I have not been keeping up with foreign relations issues, since Bush came into office. (Probably need to brush up now, though).
  • Thaer

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    Apr 23, 2010 11:58 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI think we're positioning for an inevitable war with Iran.

    The nuke deal was to prepare for this. We also asked France to increase their troop strength in Afghanistan by 1500, all to serve in the western part of Afghanistan where there is no current action.

    The current Iraq and Afghanistan postures are about containing Iran.

    It's inevitable.


    Now this is the part I don’t understand.. if the US was thinking from the beginning to attack Iran .. why would start a war against Iraq … Iraq had several wars against Iran … and they hated the iran more than anyone in the middle east .. right now the sunnies Iraqis that use to hate and fight iran is out .. and Iraq is completely run by shiaas … andthe us is trying to train shiaas to form the new government in Iraq … for the shiaas, Iran is considered to be the higher authority even more important than mecca …. It make no sense.. if the US was thinking about Iran .. then why remove the people that actually would support you and replace them with the people that will support Iran….icon_neutral.gif


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    Apr 24, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
    Iraq and Afganistan are simply colonies disguised as wars that are apart of the american empire, nothing more, honestly what is the difference betwen what going on now and when the russians and the British were there?
  • Webster666

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    Apr 24, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    I can't, for the life of me, understand why all those crazy politicians don't see that those wars are absolutely hopelessly unwinnable.

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    Apr 24, 2010 12:41 AM GMT
    cause those fuckers wanna kill us...simple as that....
  • jock_1

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    Apr 24, 2010 12:58 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidI can't, for the life of me, understand why all those crazy politicians don't see that those wars are absolutely hopelessly unwinnable.



    tell that to Hitler