"What Happened When I Went Undercover at a Christian Gay-to-Straight Conversion Camp"

  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 27, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
    ""What Happened When I Went Undercover at a Christian Gay-to-Straight Conversion Camp" by Ted Cox

    Favorite quote:

    "C’mon, do you really think straight men go off into the woods and hold each other?” I demand. “What about that all-night holding session you told me about? Does that sound like something straight guys do?”

    http://www.alternet.org/story/146557/?page=entire

    He also talks about guy there: "He’s dressed like he looted an Old Navy store. Short, spiky, blond hair. Clean-shaven. I guess that he’s a college student." Hot.
    I'd work the gay out of some of those guys! icon_twisted.gif
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    Apr 27, 2010 8:53 PM GMT
    I read this earlier today. My favorite gem:
    ZOMGSometime during all that holding and touching and singing, while I was cradled in the Motorcycle position, I felt it: the unmistakable bulge pressing through his tight jeans. It was the first time in my life I had a felt another man’s erection.


    The whole thing made me want to form a crack team of counter-Christian-terrorists who sneak into these camps and give them all the loving fucking they want.
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    Apr 27, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI read this earlier today. My favorite gem:
    ZOMGSometime during all that holding and touching and singing, while I was cradled in the Motorcycle position, I felt it: the unmistakable bulge pressing through his tight jeans. It was the first time in my life I had a felt another man’s erection.


    The whole thing made me want to form a crack team of counter-Christian-terrorists who sneak into these camps and give them all the loving fucking they want.
    Ha! That'd turn into an orgy for sure! "Don't" "Stop!" "Don't ahhhh Stop!"
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    Apr 27, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    Holy fuck! Now I wanna go "turn straight." icon_twisted.gif
  • GQjock

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    Apr 27, 2010 10:22 PM GMT
    That makes me think of THIS icon_cool.gif<object width=">
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    Apr 27, 2010 10:53 PM GMT
    Having read the entire link article, it looks to me like a giant rip-off, not unlike Scientology.
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    Apr 28, 2010 7:05 AM GMT
    Anyone else wanna go to one of these camps with me? ;) lol.
  • hartfan

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    Apr 28, 2010 7:42 AM GMT
    After reading the entire article, the only thing I feel is sadness, for these men and for the whole charade. It is tragic.
  • groundcombat

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    Apr 28, 2010 8:11 AM GMT
    Sign me up for some serious motorcycle action. For $900, I want to get my money's worth.
  • Delivis

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    Apr 28, 2010 8:14 AM GMT
    What on earth is with alll the touching and holding and cuddling? Is level two of this gay conversion filled with holding each other's dicks? How this is supposed to turn a gay guy's "SSA" off as opposed to just reinforcing it is beyond me.
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    Apr 28, 2010 8:16 AM GMT
    Delivis saidWhat on earth is with alll the touching and holding and cuddling? Is level two of this gay conversion filled with holding each other's dicks? How this is supposed to turn a gay guy's "SSA" off as opposed to just reinforcing it is beyond me.


    Seriously. You'd think one of these would be more like a bombardment of titties in your face or something.
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    Apr 28, 2010 9:55 AM GMT
    I want Neil patrick Harris's dick in my mouthicon_surprised.gif
  • Buddha

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    Apr 28, 2010 10:20 AM GMT
    Wow that last part of the article really made an impact
  • Bunjamon

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    Apr 28, 2010 10:41 AM GMT
    Absolutely heartwrenching. It's so sad that people could hate themselves so much to put themselves through something like that, for the sake of religion? I hope that stories like these will go down in the history books as some ridiculous thing our forefathers used to do, like segregation and not legalizing marriage rights for same-sex couples.
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    Apr 28, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
    very interesting read... I feel so sorry for these guys on several different levels.
    I'm sorry they believe this turning straight crap, I'm sorry they suffer from a religion that makes them believe such crap and imposes such self hatred.

    therapy like this will only make these guys more miserable or even suicidal.

    And I'm sorry this type of practice is accepted at all. In my opinion these insane people who run this PCC and JiM crap are a danger to the health of their clients. I thought you locked up dangerous insane people in institutions???
    well, I suppose they hide behind their freedom of religion icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Apr 28, 2010 12:15 PM GMT
    what a load of crap. Make the decision, guys, just ditch the religion which is choking the life out of you.

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    Apr 28, 2010 12:59 PM GMT
    Wow, good article. I was THIS close to going to those events when I was in college. Thank God I came to my senses
  • swimbikerun

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    Apr 28, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
    groundcombat saidSign me up for some serious motorcycle action. For $900, I want to get my money's worth.
    Lol!!! Hell to the yes!
    MunchingZombie has it right guys: let's do a naked commando raid on the camp.
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    Apr 28, 2010 2:11 PM GMT
    I love what christianity inspires in people.
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    Apr 28, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    "It was the first night of 'Journey into Manhood,' "

    mmm ... manhood.
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    Apr 28, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhat a racket.

    Hell...those bastards made $9,000 in a weekend. I wanna make that kinda money. icon_twisted.gif
    That's $9000 AND a handfull of hotness. win/win situation! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 28, 2010 3:05 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhat a racket.

    Hell...those bastards made $9,000 in a weekend. I wanna make that kinda money. icon_twisted.gif


    article said $650 in camp fees and writer paid a combined $900 with airfare. so camp fees for 30 guys, $19,500. Nice piece of change for a BSing folks.
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    Apr 28, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    I'm trying to understand the psychology this group is using.So according to this article we all have douche bag fathers that have made us feel worthless. Since we feel worthless we are never able to adopt the role of "man" and reach our duty to impregnate a woman. Does this sound about right? (right in that I'm trying to piece together their flawed psychology)
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    Apr 28, 2010 4:06 PM GMT
    ddrfeat saidI'm trying to understand the psychology this group is using.So according to this article we all have douche bag fathers that have made us feel worthless. Since we feel worthless we are never able to adopt the role of "man" and reach our duty to impregnate a woman. Does this sound about right? (right in that I'm trying to piece together their flawed psychology)


    yep, I thought that it seemed very manipulative, suggestive and destructive in the way it tries to alter the clients' perceptions of father figures or childhood memories.

    The poor guy whos most traumatic episode he could think of, was of his father being busy reading the newspaper.... then having that turned into:

    "your father thinks you're worthless, now beat him (an effigy) up w a baseball bat!"

    that can't be healthy for his future relation w his family.
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    Apr 28, 2010 4:17 PM GMT
    ddrfeat saidI'm trying to understand the psychology this group is using.So according to this article we all have douche bag fathers that have made us feel worthless. Since we feel worthless we are never able to adopt the role of "man" and reach our duty to impregnate a woman. Does this sound about right? (right in that I'm trying to piece together their flawed psychology)


    judging from some of the earlier "questions" he was posed as he entered camp, it is about changing beliefs, i.e., stories told through a lens of sexuality. the theory, as i understand it, is that if you can change your story from "i like men and want to have sex with them," to "i feel a need for men because i have a need for masculine love," you can stave off your desires for sexual relations and hopefully hang on to what "GOD" wants.

    it is NLP run amok. there is a whole bunch of stuff out there about changing your thoughts...the law of attraction is one of them...and, for the most part, i agree with much of it. after all, our brains cook up entire belief systems based on perceptions and false assumptions, so it isn't too much of a stretch to think that you can make yourself feel better by seeing that your emotions are caused by thoughts and your thoughts are 50% accurate at best...so why not choose a better thought?

    this works for things like anger management, when that guy cuts you off in traffic you can choose a different story about what you think his motivation is in doing it...or, deeper still, you can choose to see him as a slob, just like yourself, just trying to make sense of the world. this shit really works. it's hard as hell, but it works.

    trouble is sexual orientation is not the result of a thought process. that is their mistake. they think if you can replace your thoughts about men with different, more "straight," thoughts about men, you will become, essentially, straight.

    so here is the rub: those guys go home and engage in a mind games that would make the nazis look like caring gentle nurse maids compared to the battle and toruture going on in their own heads.

    for "dave," the guy he talks to at the end of the article, not only is he confused about his sexual identity, but now he is confused about what he thinks. it is where cults, like evangelicalism, step in and say, "here is what you think now." "jesus loves you." "god is the perfect father." "if it weren't for jesus, you would be dead right now." "accepting yourself is a lie of the devil." "you are dead in sin and the turmoil you feel is the conviction of the holy spirit."

    it's fucked up. and for those guys who attend those camps, they want, above all else, to be cured...so they will believe anything, do anything, engage in any self talk or behavior mod that will make it all go away. they really just want to love their families, they don't want to be alone, and they sure as hell don't want to do something like "love themselves." i mean, how selfish is that?

    yep, this stuff is well-meaning human compassion that has the unintended results of screwing a person's life up for ever.