Gay Republicans

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    Apr 28, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    This one goes out to all you walking paradoxes out there.

  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Apr 28, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    I know many closeted Republicans here in South Carolina. I know one openly gay Republican. I have to say though, they tend to be contradictory at times. The openly gay Republican I know tends to avoid the issue of party affiliation a lot. He was very vocal about his support, but he since 'zipped up' his vocal association with a political party that seemingly goes out of its way to undermine/preclude his rights (or rights he should be entitled). I find that many "gay Republicans" prefer to be called Libertarian as opposed to being a "Republican."
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    Apr 28, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
    The Republican party definitely needs to work on a few issues, but I would rather associate with a party that only has a few issues to work on rather than a party that is totally screwed up. My opinion.

    On another but similar topic... Why is it that most gay Republicans are kind toward gay Democrats, but so many (maybe even a majority) of gay Democrats are completely intolerant and hostile toward gay Republicans? What ever happened to tolerance and free thinking?

    Thank you for posting this topic ;-)

    Do any democrats agree with my second paragraph?
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    Apr 28, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    As I am not American, I have no dog in the fight but for a while I was mesmerized that most of my gay American friends were actually Republicans and very open about both things. Talk about cognitive dissonance! But I eventually got over it.

    Meanwhile as gay people and allies are beginning to have leverage even in a U.S. Senate GOP primary in, of all places, Utah; I say "Go gay Republicans!"

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    Apr 28, 2010 5:36 AM GMT
    skylerseattle saidOn another but similar topic... Why is it that most gay Republicans are kind toward gay Democrats, but so many (maybe even a majority) of gay Democrats are completely intolerant and hostile toward gay Republicans? What ever happened to tolerance and free thinking?

    Thank you for posting this topic ;-)

    Do any democrats agree with my second paragraph?


    I associate myself with the Democratic Party - I am liberal on most issues... not all. I do tend to see many gay Democrats act very hostile towards gay Republicans - no matter their age. I think many gay Democrats see gay Republicans as 'confused' and 'misguided' - or more cruelly, as 'sleeping with the enemy.' This is a very real phenomenon - do I think it'll go away?... no. The Republicans have bent over backwards to undermine gay rights and gay social issues.

    I think the problem of tolerance and free thinking in context to gay Democrats is because they see gay Republicans as associating with a political party that is not tolerant of the gay community - this probably is the root of the issue. I don't hate Republicans - I have a few Republicans who I consider friends, but very few. My #2 rule of politics is.... "all politics is personal politics." For this reason, I don't foresee any widespread reconciliation between gay Republicans and gay Democrats... being told "you're deviant" or anything just as demeaning by the broader Republican Party only inflames the passions of gay Democrats.
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    Apr 28, 2010 5:36 AM GMT
    skylerseattle: I've actually had hookups turn me down for my political affiliations. As if filling in bubbles on a sheet of paper determines how well I suck penises. Gay democrats are just loony.
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    Apr 28, 2010 5:52 AM GMT
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    Apr 28, 2010 5:57 AM GMT
    I used to be a Democrat, but after having U.S. history, and seeing all of the discrepancies within the Democratic party, I became a liberal Republican.
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    Apr 28, 2010 6:00 AM GMT
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    skylerseattle saidOn another but similar topic... Why is it that most gay Republicans are kind toward gay Democrats, but so many (maybe even a majority) of gay Democrats are completely intolerant and hostile toward gay Republicans? What ever happened to tolerance and free thinking?

    Thank you for posting this topic ;-)

    Do any democrats agree with my second paragraph?


    I associate myself with the Democratic Party - I am liberal on most issues... not all. I do tend to see many gay Democrats act very hostile towards gay Republicans - no matter their age. I think many gay Democrats see gay Republicans as 'confused' and 'misguided' - or more cruelly, as 'sleeping with the enemy.' This is a very real phenomenon - do I think it'll go away?... no. The Republicans have bent over backwards to undermine gay rights and gay social issues.

    I think the problem of tolerance and free thinking in context to gay Democrats is because they see gay Republicans as associating with a political party that is not tolerant of the gay community - this probably is the root of the issue. I don't hate Republicans - I have a few Republicans who I consider friends, but very few. My #2 rule of politics is.... "all politics is personal politics." For this reason, I don't foresee any widespread reconciliation between gay Republicans and gay Democrats... being told "you're deviant" or anything just as demeaning by the broader Republican Party only inflames the passions of gay Democrats.


    I think the important thing to realize is that gay Republicans hold other issues above gay rights and social issues, viz "I don't define myself by my sexuality," that align with the Republican party.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Apr 28, 2010 6:03 AM GMT
    I judge people as individuals and their own merits, NOT their political affiliation. It epitomizes "closed-minded" to paint a whole group with the same broad brush.
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    Apr 28, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
    There are gay elitist so it does not surprise me at all to see gay republicans.( go to any gay dating or meeting site and see all the white only and you can then understand how there can be gay republicans. One they usually are white and usually are in some shape or form racist. Yes they are gay but they feel they are white so they are still "better" than...the others.
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    Apr 28, 2010 6:19 AM GMT
    hazardous said
    RYAN_SC said
    skylerseattle saidOn another but similar topic... Why is it that most gay Republicans are kind toward gay Democrats, but so many (maybe even a majority) of gay Democrats are completely intolerant and hostile toward gay Republicans? What ever happened to tolerance and free thinking?

    Thank you for posting this topic ;-)

    Do any democrats agree with my second paragraph?


    I associate myself with the Democratic Party - I am liberal on most issues... not all. I do tend to see many gay Democrats act very hostile towards gay Republicans - no matter their age. I think many gay Democrats see gay Republicans as 'confused' and 'misguided' - or more cruelly, as 'sleeping with the enemy.' This is a very real phenomenon - do I think it'll go away?... no. The Republicans have bent over backwards to undermine gay rights and gay social issues.

    I think the problem of tolerance and free thinking in context to gay Democrats is because they see gay Republicans as associating with a political party that is not tolerant of the gay community - this probably is the root of the issue. I don't hate Republicans - I have a few Republicans who I consider friends, but very few. My #2 rule of politics is.... "all politics is personal politics." For this reason, I don't foresee any widespread reconciliation between gay Republicans and gay Democrats... being told "you're deviant" or anything just as demeaning by the broader Republican Party only inflames the passions of gay Democrats.


    I think the important thing to realize is that gay Republicans hold other issues above gay rights and social issues, viz "I don't define myself by my sexuality," that align with the Republican party.


    I understand. I just know a lot of gay guys that align their politics with the party that will help them the most - or so they believe. My #3 rule of politics... "there are no permanent friends or permanent enemies in politics... only permanent interests." It might seem cold and calculating, but it is the truth.

    If the Republican Party all of a sudden became pro-gay rights... I wouldn't be shocked if many in the gay community dumped the Democrats in favor of the Republicans. It's all about interests, and apparently most gay guys I know don't think the Republicans will further their interests - me included.
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    Apr 28, 2010 6:27 AM GMT
    echoboy saidThere are gay elitist so it does not surprise me at all to see gay republicans.( go to any gay dating or meeting site and see all the white only and you can then understand how there can be gay republicans. One they usually are white and usually are in some shape or form racist. Yes they are gay but they feel they are white so they are still "better" than...the others.

    Hmmm...if anything the populists tend to be Republicans. I think it's relatively foolish to align yourself with any political party irrespective of the country you're in (speaking as a Canadian). It's not that the Democrats have done much better - and if anything have largely taken the votes of minorities for granted. Also, with respect to racists, the people who tend to use that card as a point of division when none exists are... surprise, surprise... partisan Democrats. Not surprising though when you think about the old dead economic ideas they attempt to recycle over and over as hope and change. ;)

    (And as for gay rights, personally I've never quite been a one issue voter - and on the other hand, you see events like CPAC where republicans/conservatives are becoming increasingly in favor of at least civil unions - which, I'm in favor of over "marriage" providing the government scraps marriage licenses altogether. Why does government stand in the middle of two of the biggest relationships a person can have anyway? That to me is the bigger issue)
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    Apr 28, 2010 7:04 AM GMT
    Wow, this page is all full of flames. I was watching American Dad! and that scene came on -- it's one of my favorite episodes -- so I thought I'd share it. The paradoxes comment was just to be catty.
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    Apr 28, 2010 7:43 AM GMT
    Labeling each member of a group of people is becoming out of style and shows ignorance. All democrats or all republicans are not the same. Neither are all blacks, or all Asians, all Jewish, or ALL of any group. Intelligent people realize that it is extremely bad form to label groups of people as dumb, lazy, sneaky, tight or cheap, etc. Let's move on from this kind of bitterness.
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    Apr 28, 2010 12:15 PM GMT
    Political arrogance turns me off, gay or straight, Republican or Democrat. I don't dislike someone for their having their views; it's when they think their view is the only one that is right or that even counts that I have to walk away... and I've even walked away from some people who were politically liberal like myself because they just couldn't shut up about how much they hated people who were conservative. Keith Olbermann agitates me just as much as Bill O'Reilly, to illustrate my point.

  • wave173

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    Apr 28, 2010 12:27 PM GMT
    I agree with most of the comments here. I've had so many Democrats act like I'm confused and stupid because I'm a Republican. And I'm a very outspoken Republican too. I have nothing to hide. I'm proud to be fiscally conservative and believe in the American people spending their own hard-earned money rather than giving it to the government to spend how they see fit.

    I think the democrats need to be more open-minded and looked at all issues rather than just gay rights. DADT will be overturned and have bipartisan support. Civil unions will provide equal rights for gay couples and also have bipartisan support; however, gay democrats say it's their way or the highway and only want gay marriage. If a civil union provides all the same the same benefits as marriage, why does it matter that the noun is different if they have similar meanings. We have alot of words in the English dictionary that mean that same thing. That's why we have a thesaurus.
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    Apr 28, 2010 12:31 PM GMT
    Like the nonconfrontational person that I am, I suppose it's just way I tend to look away from political topics because honestly


    1. I don't know enough about the stuff.
    2. I really don't wanna have someone get mad at me for a view.
    3. Too many people on this forum really don't know how to discuss views and not insult other people at the same time.

  • PatrickD81

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    Apr 28, 2010 1:06 PM GMT
    I don't believe in Gay Republicans, because that's an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned.

    But I also don't affiliate myself with either Republicans or Democrats because I don't share either party's views in their entirety. Furthermore, my political views tend to be down the middle, between the extremes that most Americans, gay or straight, seem to take and insist is the only way to do things.
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    Apr 28, 2010 1:29 PM GMT
    I align myself with more Libertarian principles after I really looked at what is going on.

    I tend to vote majority Republican because they have matched more of my ideas than the Democrats have.

    Also I would think the gay community as a whole would want the Republican party to be infiltrated with educated gay Republicans so that sweeping changes can happen socially within the party. That way you have both parties working on gay rights.

    I see it as a win-win eventually.

    But the smarminess and venom from Democrats and gay Democrats has turned me off to their party as has many of my friends lately. It just has turned into a "Mean Girls" thing.

    Oh and of course you call someone out on this someone like me is labeled as a traitor to the gay community. Please, give it a rest.

    I really don't participate in forums like this anymore because I don't feel like me speaking my opinion will do anything but cause those people to come out of the woodwork and try to preach more hate speech.

    So I apologize in advance for any crazies who decide to hijack this post, but I was actually impressed with the level of civility on this thread. Thank you very much for the not denigrating it to name calling.
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    Apr 28, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    The main thing I don't understand about gay Republican is how they can support a party having such ties to the anti-gay religious right. The pull the conservative religious base has on the Republican party will always prevent the Republican party from ever fully embracing gay rights. Even though the Democratic party has not done as much as they could in support of gay issues they do have a better track record and a greater potential as a support of gay rights compared to the Republican party. I realize there are other political issues besides gay issues that one might consider in party affiliation.
    Most gays that happen to be Republican seem to be so for fiscal reasons. I see no contradiction with a gay person being fiscally conservative; economic policy can be debated with no reference/bearing on one's sexuality. Most gays either Democratic or Republican, however, seem to be socially libertarian*. An economic liberal/social libertarian would most likely support the Democratic party. Whereas an economic conservative/social libertarian will be conflicted: Neither the Democratic nor Republican party fully embraces the values of a pure libertarian. Such a person will have to decide if he values his economic conservatism or social libertarian values more? If he values economic conservatism more he probably more often support the Republican party; if he values social libertarian views more he will more often support the Democratic party. Basically, gay Republicans are willing to tolerate the conservative religious social morality base of the Republican party because for them economic conservatism is more important than social liberarianism i.e., money issues are more important than social issues.

    *I realize that it is possible for a gay person to be socially conservative, but I would find such a person so odd that I could not at all understand their mind set.
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    Apr 28, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    _Zox_ saidI was actually impressed with the level of civility on this thread. Thank you very much for the not denigrating it to name calling.


    I second that! No reason for nasty attacks in threads like this because, like it or not, gay guys have a variety of political beliefs -- right, left, and everywhere in between. Nothing wrong with a little variety.
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    Apr 28, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
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    But the smarminess and venom from Democrats and gay Democrats has turned me off to their party as has many of my friends lately. It just has turned into a "Mean Girls" thing.
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    So I apologize in advance for any crazies who decide to hijack this post, but I was actually impressed with the level of civility on this thread. Thank you very much for the not denigrating it to name calling.


    I know what you are referring to. Even though I tend to have liberal views and agree more often than not with the Democratic party I am a free thinker. Sometimes my views don't line up 100% with the typical liberal viewpoint. Some of the most hateful discussions I've had are during those times I happen to disagree with more liberal people I know. I have been yelled at and called names because sometimes I might see things differently.
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    On another but similar topic... Why is it that most gay Republicans are kind toward gay Democrats, but so many (maybe even a majority) of gay Democrats are completely intolerant and hostile toward gay Republicans? What ever happened to tolerance and free thinking?




    good point
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    Apr 28, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
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    I think the democrats need to be more open-minded and looked at all issues rather than just gay rights. DADT will be overturned and have bipartisan support. Civil unions will provide equal rights for gay couples and also have bipartisan support; however, gay democrats say it's their way or the highway and only want gay marriage. If a civil union provides all the same the same benefits as marriage, why does it matter that the noun is different if they have similar meanings. We have alot of words in the English dictionary that mean that same thing. That's why we have a thesaurus.


    Tell that to your party. If only it were as simple as a word. Nothing that resembles marriage will be passed by any Republican, and you can take that to the bank.