The solution to Global Warming!!

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    Apr 29, 2010 6:19 AM GMT
    Alright, so keep up with me on this.

    Global warming is caused by CO2 emissions right? And CO2 emissions come from burning hydrocarbons, and those hydrocarbons come from carbon sinks underground.

    Now what on this earth do we have that can sequester CO2 in the atmosphere? PLANTS! Plants use CO2 to make biomass. What do we use plants for? Paper you say? CORRECT!

    Ok, so what do we normally do with paper when we are done with it? Compost it? Recycle it? Ultimately, what happens to that paper? It is just cycled into back into the biosphere/atmosphere eventually.

    Now here comes the jump...what if instead of recycling paper to use it over and over again, we bury it in...oh....LANDFILLS where it will never break down or release CO2 into the atmosphere via microbe metabolism. This way, we can use a renewable resource, trees, to sequester excess CO2 in the atmosphere.

    And yes, I am suggesting that recycling paper is actually BAD for the environment, and that landfills are GOOD (as long as they are kept in remote locations where runoff/contamination does not spread). Before you get all up tight about that, remember that trees can be planted again and again, and many states have laws that loggers have to plants 2 trees for every 1 they cut down.

    We can take it even further and say that if you want to help the environment, after every gallon of gas you burn in your car, you go to your local newspaper stand and buy an equal weight of newspaper and either (a) bury it in your back yard, or (b) THROW IT IN THE TRASH!!!

    I know, my logic is infallible, you cannot muster any objections. However, I must stress that I am not saying that recycling metals is bad, in fact, it is very good. Glass is actually bad to recycle because it costs more energy (which often times comes from hydrocarbon burning) to recycle than it saves to make a new glass bottle. Plastics are totally different and I don't want to get into it.

    And if you're thinking "he has no idea what he's talking about," let me point out to you that I do environmental microbiology, so I'm actually spending a lot of my time and energy to save the world!!!
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    Apr 29, 2010 6:28 AM GMT
    Oh noooesssss!!!! My world is turned upside down!!!
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    Apr 29, 2010 7:09 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI'm in chemistry class and my teacher (as well as me) has a strong affinity for preserving the environment.

    The one thing that's fallible with your theory is that it takes more energy to produce paper from plants and trees than it does to recycle it from paper. From the time it takes to sprout seedlings and for them to mature into usable product takes a ton of energy and time. You have to factor in everything. The energy needed to plant the trees, tend to them, hire people to do all of this and cut them down takes more energy than it does to recycle old paper.

    CO2 doesn't just come from our burning of fossil fuels. Volcanic activity throughout the world emits a shit load of CO2 into the environment every time there's an eruption. This has been going on for millions of years and is the most plausible theory as to what causes and why we've had three to seven ice ages throughout the Earth's history. The number seems to vary in terms of how many ice ages we've had but the thing that most people agree on is that it's cyclical.

    The one thing that really scares me is that we are using up our fossil fuels and they won't be around indefinitely. Alternative fuel sources have their flaws.

    The best way, and I've been saying this for over twenty years, to slow down our onslaught on the Earth's resources is to sterilize about 85% of the world's population. This means that we'd use far less in terms of resources globally. We do it to cats and dogs to control their impact on the environment and each other but when it comes to human conception it's a matter of religious bullshit. Yet so many people on this planet are the result of whores in heat in the moment. Just like dogs and cats.


    Haha, ok fine, then the clear solution is to just skip past the paper making and to just cut down trees, throw them in a hole and bury them.

    Btw, are u suggesting that we euthanize most of the world's population? If you are, then can we get rid of all the hippies and hicks?
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    Apr 29, 2010 7:24 AM GMT
    it still wont work, just cutting things down isn't enough, trees only sequester so much, all the effort to plant, grow, cut, transport the trees would probably outweigh the benefits...

    What would be the better option is to change our way of life, use less oil, recycle more, bring in stringent energy standards (for everything including cars/electronic goods) make everything we do accountable and make all of us pay for it.

    Also instead of making cheap electronics that will breakdown in 5 years make ones that are designed to last and are recyclable!
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    Apr 29, 2010 11:56 AM GMT
    Anaerobic decomposition of organic matter in landfills generates methane, which is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
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    Apr 29, 2010 12:28 PM GMT
    paradox saidAnaerobic decomposition of organic matter in landfills generates methane, which is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.


    Which, here in our hillbilly, backwater, hick town...we CAPTURE and use to create electricity.....how very silly of us....icon_lol.gificon_cool.gif
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    Apr 29, 2010 12:58 PM GMT
    hazardous saidThe solution to Global Warming!!
    Move near the north or south poles.

    Personally, I'm all for global warming. Cold weather sucks. I think I'm gonna go drive all day long just to help heat up the atmosphere even more. icon_razz.gif
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    Apr 29, 2010 1:06 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    hazardous saidThe solution to Global Warming!!
    Move near the north or south poles.

    Personally, I'm all for global warming. Cold weather sucks. I think I'm gonna go drive all day long just to help heat up the atmosphere even more. icon_razz.gif

    and have you taken a moment to think about those who don't like the heat as much as you do?
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    Apr 29, 2010 1:39 PM GMT
    lilTanker said
    and have you taken a moment to think about those who don't like the heat as much as you do?
    Yeah, I mentioned that part first:
    paulflexes saidMove near the north or south poles.

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    Apr 29, 2010 5:52 PM GMT
    hazardous saidAlright, so keep up with me on this.

    Global warming is caused by CO2 emissions right? And CO2 emissions come from burning hydrocarbons, and those hydrocarbons come from carbon sinks underground.

    Now what on this earth do we have that can sequester CO2 in the atmosphere? PLANTS! Plants use CO2 to make biomass. What do we use plants for? Paper you say? CORRECT!



    INCORRECT!! This is where you go wrong. Yes, we make paper from trees, but in the environmental sense, the offset of CO2 with trees is that trees consume CO2 and in the process, replenishes the atmosphere with Oxygen.

    Now take a deep breath...
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    Apr 29, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    paradox saidAnaerobic decomposition of organic matter in landfills generates methane, which is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.


    Yes, I am aware of this, if you didnt read my profile, I study methanogens and methylotrophs. The point is that landfill can produce conditions where no decomposition happens whatsoever. You can go to a landfill from the 1800s, pull out a newspaper, and it will look just like it did when it was thrown away.

    And if anyone else didnt pick up on the cues, I dont actually think this will work. It was just something that me and my colleagues thought up while messing around in the lab.
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    Apr 29, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    Personally, I think engineering a solar shield is probably the best way to go!
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    Apr 29, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidPersonally, I think engineering a solar shield is probably the best way to go!


    I was thinking more of mech warriors that fight greenhouse gas emissions with laser swords.
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    Apr 30, 2010 9:08 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said<

    Using alternative methods to generate electricity is nowhere near developed enough to power huge metropolitan cities....



    We have a city of 50,000 and a county of 250,000 ....so, every little bit helps.

    My point was...rather than venting that to the atmosphere, we utilize it. Not bad for a bunch of hicks, huh?icon_lol.gif