A License Required for your House?

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    Apr 30, 2010 12:54 AM GMT
    If you own your home, this is important to you.

    Don't want to be bothered with "Political stuff?" You'd better read this one. It will come as a huge shock to you if you aren't informed as to what Obama is up to, and it has already passed one hurdle. It will take very little now to put it into actual law!! YOU'D BETTER WAKE UP AMERICA !!!!
    So you think you live in a free country.
    Boy have you got a surprise coming.

    A License Required for your HOUSE?

    If you own your home you really need to check this out. At the end of this post is the Google link to verify. If the country thinks the housing market is depressed now, wait until everyone sees this. No one will be buying homes in the future.

    We encourage you to read the provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and are being considered by the Senate. We are ready to join the next march on Washington ! This Congress and their "experts" are truly out to destroy the middle class of the U.S.A.

    A License will be required for your house...no longer just for cars and mobile homes....Thinking about selling your house? Take a look at H.R.. 2454 (Cap and Trade bill). This is unbelievable! Home owners take note and tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

    Beginning one year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this "Cap & Trade" bill, passed by the House of Representatives. If it is also passed by the Senate, it will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced.
    The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure that these voters will get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. And Mrs. Middle Class have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

    But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house without some bureaucrat's OK. Yes, you read that right.

    The caveat (there always is a caveat) is that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator.

    To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be required to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act, to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements.

    Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell.

    And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he/she alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress. Then the Administrator can set new standards every year.

    The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 - Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America .

    Beginning one year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with its energy and water efficiency standards. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (expen$ive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody!

    The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (that includes YOU?) and prevent you from qualifying for the grants.

    Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. More transfer of wealth, more "change you can believe in." Sect.. 204 - Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

    This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help the EPA. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year...

    Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year.

    But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California ? It would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate.

    Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 - Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that one year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

    CHECK OUT a few of the sites;

    Cap and Trade: A License Required for your Home http://www.nachi. org/forum/ f14/cap-and- trade-license- required- your-home- 44750/
    HR2454 American Clean Energy & Security Act: http://www.govtrack+.us/congress/+bill.xpd?+bill=h111-+2454
    Cap & Trade A license required for your home:http://www.prisonplanet.com/cap-and-trade-a-license-required-for-your-home.htmlCap and trade is a license to cheat and steal:
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    Apr 30, 2010 2:29 PM GMT
    These aren't liberal web sites--they just debunk the crap that's strewn. The first two links in the post didn't work, but the third did, which led me to the google links referenced, which had no support for what's said here, except that the claim is false. There were several which simply regurgitated the same text from Frank Carrio, named or anonymously.

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/cap_and_trade.htm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp
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    Apr 30, 2010 3:06 PM GMT
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    1969er saidThese aren't liberal web sites--they just debunk the crap that's strewn. The first two links in the post didn't work, but the third did, which led me to the google links referenced, which had no support for what's said here, except that the claim is false. There were several which simply regurgitated the same text from Frank Carrio, named or anonymously.

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/cap_and_trade.htm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp


    Well, before calling it all false, (or true for that matter), one should take the time to go through the referenced parts of H.R. 2454 . I plan to this weekend.


    Looks like it's not true. But I can sympathize why this was believed:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/

    That being said, there are a number of objectionable provisions in the legislation and I suspect even more so once it moves forward. That being said, I don't think it has the votes to pass (though I didn't think that the health care bill would either so take that with a grain of salt). That the Democrats have so aggressively overreached is why intrade is showing a steady rise in the probability that Republicans will take the House:
    http://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/closingPricesForm.jsp?tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com&contractId=639646

    On the other hand, check out this - which is alarming and was actually passed in the health care bill (it's like they don't read these things before hand deliberately):
    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/

    I'm sort of glad I don't have a company set up in the US. Basically for every company you do more than $600 business with you have to file 1099 disclosure forms - whose details they will match with the company you do business with (so you'll have to collect all their information/deatils). " For the $14 trillion U.S. economy, that’s a hell of a lot of 1099s. When a business buys a $1,000 used car, it will have to gather information on the seller and mail 1099s to the seller and the IRS. When a small shop owner pays her rent, she will have to send a 1099 to the landlord and IRS. Recipients of the vast flood of these forms will have to match them with existing accounting records. There will be huge numbers of errors and mismatches, which will probably generate many costly battles with the IRS."

    That is a total nightmare. I can't remember who said here that they didn't feel regulatory compliance costs money... they clearly haven't had to do any.
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    Apr 30, 2010 3:25 PM GMT
    another article from PrisonPlanet website

    My tinfoil stocks go up again.

    Thanks for lining your hats with tinfoil,
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    Apr 30, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    Complete and total crap.

    I have family in North Dakota that forwards this kind of chain email scum all the time and it makes me laugh.


    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/cap_and_trade.htm

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/energy%2Dbill%2Dand%2Dexisting%2Dhomes/
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    Apr 30, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    It is true Riiddler and it is coming. Its time we take charge and make those bastards start working for us, not us working for the.

    Start watching, and reading thereal news provided buy groups that care and represent the truth. Not the left wing media owned by some of the largest supporters that are in bed with Blobama.



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    southbeach1500 said
    1969er saidThese aren't liberal web sites--they just debunk the crap that's strewn. The first two links in the post didn't work, but the third did, which led me to the google links referenced, which had no support for what's said here, except that the claim is false. There were several which simply regurgitated the same text from Frank Carrio, named or anonymously.

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/cap_and_trade.htm

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp


    Well, before calling it all false, (or true for that matter), one should take the time to go through the referenced parts of H.R. 2454 . I plan to this weekend.


    Looks like it's not true. But I can sympathize why this was believed:
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/

    That being said, there are a number of objectionable provisions in the legislation and I suspect even more so once it moves forward. That being said, I don't think it has the votes to pass (though I didn't think that the health care bill would either so take that with a grain of salt). That the Democrats have so aggressively overreached is why intrade is showing a steady rise in the probability that Republicans will take the House:
    http://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/closingPricesForm.jsp?tradeURL=https://www.intrade.com&contractId=639646

    On the other hand, check out this - which is alarming and was actually passed in the health care bill (it's like they don't read these things before hand deliberately):
    http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/04/26/costly-irs-mandate-slipped-into-health-bill/

    I'm sort of glad I don't have a company set up in the US. Basically for every company you do more than $600 business with you have to file 1099 disclosure forms - whose details they will match with the company you do business with (so you'll have to collect all their information/deatils). " For the $14 trillion U.S. economy, that’s a hell of a lot of 1099s. When a business buys a $1,000 used car, it will have to gather information on the seller and mail 1099s to the seller and the IRS. When a small shop owner pays her rent, she will have to send a 1099 to the landlord and IRS. Recipients of the vast flood of these forms will have to match them with existing accounting records. There will be huge numbers of errors and mismatches, which will probably generate many costly battles with the IRS."

    That is a total nightmare. I can't remember who said here that they didn't feel regulatory compliance costs money... they clearly haven't had to do any.
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    Apr 30, 2010 4:34 PM GMT
    DjDorchester saidComplete and total crap.

    I have family in North Dakota that forwards this kind of chain email scum all the time and it makes me laugh.


    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/

    http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/cap_and_trade.htm

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/energy%2Dbill%2Dand%2Dexisting%2Dhomes/


    It is not crap.
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    Apr 30, 2010 4:43 PM GMT
    I never will understand how some people can be so utterly blind to facts. Waxman's HR2454 only requires NEW construction to meet the standards.
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    Apr 30, 2010 4:54 PM GMT
    Group therapy for the obsessively paranoid.
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    Apr 30, 2010 5:03 PM GMT
    If you forward this e-mail, Microsoft will send you a dollar. It's true, because my cousin is a lawyer and he told me so.



    Can we ask a favor? Follow this simple rule: it's NOT true until proven false. As in law, journalism and science, all claims require attribution, preponderance and consensus. Providing a non-working shit-ass Google link only convinces southbeach.
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    Apr 30, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    And, for the record, permitting (a license) has always been required for new homes (and renovation to old ones). Good job with the conspiracy paranoia.
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    Apr 30, 2010 5:17 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidLets all read the bill before coming to any conclusions.

    I plan to over the weekend.

    For those of you saying it's not true, I hope you have read the bill and providing us with the benefit of an informed statement.

    You're so predictable. A criticism of Obama is like the stink of shit to you. I'm sure you can find some informed debate about this on Drudge. Good luck...can't wait to get your take on it on Monday.
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    Apr 30, 2010 6:25 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Well, before calling it all false, (or true for that matter), one should take the time to go through the referenced parts of H.R. 2454 . I plan to this weekend.



    Enjoy your weekend!

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    Apr 30, 2010 6:31 PM GMT
    Has anyone noticed that barefootdude is trying to unseat southbeach1500 as our right-wing fanatic here? But when even SB writes: "Lets all read the bill before coming to any conclusions" I have to believe he's conceding the crown to barefootdude. Ah, the passing of a legend... icon_confused.gif
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    Apr 30, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    Y'know, bfd, it isn't Miller Time ALL DAY LONG.
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    May 05, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidLets all read the bill before coming to any conclusions.

    I plan to over the weekend.

    For those of you saying it's not true, I hope you have read the bill and are providing us with the benefit of an informed statement, rather than a purely emotion-based response.

    Just checking what your conclusions were after reading the bill. Do you agree it only applies to new construction and does not mandate homeowners retrofitting existing homes prior to selling?
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    May 05, 2010 3:32 PM GMT

    Something tells me they're not coming back, 1969er. (bfd and SB) icon_wink.gif

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    May 05, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    I bet these guys read Gaypatriot.com
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    May 05, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca saidI bet these guys read Gaypatriot.com

    It's http://www.gaypatriot.net/ - and he's actually pretty moderate - it's not a bad site. I don't he would normally fall for a hoax like this. But quite frankly, again, I'm not sure why it's necessary to make up stuff like this when you do have some real issues like the fact that if you have a company you must now report and document transactions you have with another company above $600 to the IRS. That is going to be a real paperwork nightmare.
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    May 12, 2010 12:03 AM GMT
    Pianist saidI never will understand how some people can be so utterly blind to facts. Waxman's HR2454 only requires NEW construction to meet the standards.



    OK SB (finally) so is Pianist a liar?

    -us
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    May 12, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    barefootdude saidIt is not crap.


    You're so right.

    It's very important information.

    And you convey it so convincingly!

    With rapier wit and ironclad arguments!

    And broad support from a coalition of diverse sources!

    You need to stop everything you're doing and make sure to post this information everywhere!

    You need to bear witness to the truth!

    Everyone is so blind!

    You can open their eyes!

    Go forth!

    Spread your knowledge!

    Free the ignorant masses!

    Only you can save us from your pitifully ignorant and childish fears ... er, uh, sorry... I mean... The Enemy that is Obama!

    * hits the "Ignore His Posts" link *
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    May 12, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    Interesting, and we'd like to see it. What's the link?
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    May 12, 2010 12:16 AM GMT
    lol, well neither of us feel like wading through 1400 pages, supposedly that's what you offered to do, so how about copying and pasting the part you're referring to, seeing as how you already know exactly where in that doc it is?
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    May 12, 2010 12:21 AM GMT
    So what? After decades of cheap energy, people really have become very apathetic to the fact that energy costs will begin to soar more than they already have and that the rest of the world wants energy too, energy which right now cannot be sustained. The costs of retrofitting houses will be far less than the long-term savings.

    The problem is that people in America focus too much on individual rights at the cost of the collective welfare. We are ruining our planet in the name of our energy needs (Look at what's happening on the gulf coast). Individual rights have to be balanced with the collective good. And if this passes, I don't see the Supreme Court throwing the law out because of THIS provision.

    I already know what you think. "Who the hell are they to say what I must do with MY house."

    Too goddamn bad. I'd like to give my grandchildren an inhabitable planet.
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    May 12, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    lol, we expected this 'I looked it up and it says so, so there, and I'm not going to show you what I read. - signed little god'.

    Back to your usual tomfoolery.

    You've sent us on enough wild goose chases in the past with other topics, so no thanks.